brake assit for TOAD

[Brian Gatley]

Take a look at state laws. I believe most states are starting to
require braking systems on anything towed over 3000# (regardless of what
is towing it). Some lower some higher.

IF the state requires it and IF you get in an accident or lose your TOAD
or you look at someone cross-eyed, our country is known for suing one
another.

For less than $1500 it is good insurance.

http://www.roadmaster-tow-bars.com/laws.html

We happen to tow a Yukon XL and so there is a difference in stopping
distance with the system verses without.

Brian Gatley
93 WLWB PT40
Bend, OR


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Liz
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:04 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: brake assit for TOAD


Howdy.
>>>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@...> wrote:
>
> I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
Liberty.
> I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
> your thoughts on the different brands.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Scoggins
> 04 M380>>>>>>

I realize that this is probably a "dumb" question. If the weight of
theTOAD is less than 10% of the weight of the coach, does one
reallyNEED auxilliary braking for a TOAD?

Regards,
Jack
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
Homesick Texans in SE. FL







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[George Lowry]

Depends upon what you consider "need". There are some states that
require brakes if the toad weight is as little as 1,000 lb. There are
some that have no requirement. Some are stated as a ratio of toad
weight to coach weight (or other similar terms). You never know when
some state is going to decide to start enforcing their laws as BC did a
few years ago. Besides having the extra braking available, I figure that
it is cheap insurance against a possible ticket or possibly having an
accident considered "my' fault because of non-compliance with the law.

As to suddenly enforcing laws, there has been precedence: BC as
mentioned above; WY suddenly enforcing the width laws: (most wide body
coaches are over width with the awnings.) And I hear that FL has
recently been weighing MH's in rest areas and ticketing those that are
over manufacturer's gross weight ratings. Being somewhat a devout
coward, I prefer to "try" to comply with the various laws. I know that
I am not 100% successful, but at least I do try.

George Lowry
'06 Alpine Apex - formerly '95 WBDA 4203
Spearfish, SD now in Palm Springs enjoying the warmth.


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>>I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
>>
>>
>Liberty.
>
>
>>I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
>>your thoughts on the different brands.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jim Scoggins
>>04 M380>>>>>>
>>
>>
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>I realize that this is probably a "dumb" question. If the weight of
>theTOAD is less than 10% of the weight of the coach, does one
>reallyNEED auxilliary braking for a TOAD?
>
>Regards,
>Jack
>Regards,
>Jack and Liz Pearce
>Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
>Homesick Texans in SE. FL
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[Tom McCarthy]

Stephen has a great point. Check to see if the vehicle you want to
tow is compatible with the system you like. Unified, M&G, SMI are
all great systems. Not all have base plates that fit all vehicles.

Tom McCarthy
"Penny Express"

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> you will find the m-g system is a great addon for your toad .The
only
> caveat is in a lot of new vehicles it will not fit.and it is
because
> of the design of the vehicle not the M-G System. there just is not
> enough room under the hood for the sytem. Call m-g engineering for
> tech advice they are most pleasant to deal with.It really is a good
> product.
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Gatley"
wrote:
> >
> > I recently installed the M&G brake system and it seems a whole
lot more
> > simple than the Unified Tow Brake. On our previous Toad I used
the
> > Brake Buddy and did not like dealing with it. On more than one
occasion
> > it was out of position after a long trip...you do need to check
it on a
> > regular basis.
> >
> > The M&G system is just added to the brake cylinder and is
actuated by
> > the coaches air system. I can't even tell it is on the car and
the only
> > 'extra' hose is the air connection between the coach and the car
(quick
> > connects at each end).
> >
> > I haven't used it yet, but it is the system many others in our
area were
> > most familiar with.
> >
> > http://www.m-gengineering.com/
> >
> > Brian Gatley
> > 93 WLWB PT40
> > Bend, OR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sprenger
> > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:27 AM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] brake assit for TOAD
> >
> >
> > George,
> > Thank you for posting the Unified Tow Brake info. I've been
thinking our
> >
> > toad should have brake a control. The Unified Tow Brake is the
best I've
> >
> > reviewed to date.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> >
> >
> > George Lowry wrote:
> >
> > > HI Jim,
> > >
> > > I have looked at most of the various systems available and have
> > actually
> > > used two. The Brake Buddy and other copies consist of a heavy
box
> > that
> > > must be installed and uninstalled each time, and stored
someplace when
> > > not under tow. To me, it is most inconvenient. I have met
several
> > > people that had one of them and changed to another system.
> > >
> > > I originally used the Brakemaster on the El Camino towed by the
> > > Converted GM bus. It works very well, is proportional to the
brake
> > > pressure on the towing vehicle. However the drawbacks are: it
requires
> > > tapping into the air brake system on the coach (not difficult)
and
> > (that
> > > the wife objected to most) Installation and removal of the
actuating
> > > cylinder each time. This is the cylinder that applies pressure
to the
> > > brake pedal. There is also an air line with quick disconnects
that
> > > connects between the coach and the toad. The wife objected the
work of
> > > installing/removal of the cylinder, especially after she saw a
friends
> > > Unified Tow Brake made by US Gear,
> > >
> > > When we got our Bird and decided to tow the Fleetwood Caddy,
she
> > > insisted she wanted a tow brake that did not require any work
on her
> > > part and was hidden from view. The Unified Tow Brake fits these
> > > requirements. It is proportional to the slowing of the coach
> > (determined
> > > electronically) and takes no effort in the hook up process.
The only
> > > connection between the coach and toad is two wires which I
> > incorporated
> > > in the same cable as the lights so no additional work. I take
that
> > back
> > > - I do have to connect the break-a-way cable. That is the only
> > > additional work. The installation is completely hidden. In my
case, I
> > > put the actuator under the carpeting in the truck and ran the
> > actuating
> > > cable up to the brake pedal under the carpet. The only thing
that
> > shows
> > > is the clamp on the brake pedal arm. At the driver's station
of the
> > > coach, the controller is mounted in a convenient spot. It
senses the
> > > deceleration of the vehicle and sends it to the toad. It also
has
> > > indicator lights that tell you how the system is working and a
manual
> > > lever for manual operation of the system.
> > >
> > > I found a place in MO (Can't remember the name right now) that
had the
> > > best price. Google or Yahoo should give you a lot of places
that have
> > it.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps you in your decision.
> > >
> > > George Lowry
> > > '06 Alpine Apex - former owner of '95 WBDA 4203
> > > Spearfish, SD enjoying the weather in Palm Springs.
> > >
> > > scoggins_jim wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06
Jeep
> > Liberty.
> > > >I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy.
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