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I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep Liberty.
I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
your thoughts on the different brands.

Thanks,
Jim Scoggins
04 M380

HI Jim,

I have looked at most of the various systems available and have actually
used two. The Brake Buddy and other copies consist of a heavy box that
must be installed and uninstalled each time, and stored someplace when
not under tow. To me, it is most inconvenient. I have met several
people that had one of them and changed to another system.

I originally used the Brakemaster on the El Camino towed by the
Converted GM bus. It works very well, is proportional to the brake
pressure on the towing vehicle. However the drawbacks are: it requires
tapping into the air brake system on the coach (not difficult) and (that
the wife objected to most) Installation and removal of the actuating
cylinder each time. This is the cylinder that applies pressure to the
brake pedal. There is also an air line with quick disconnects that
connects between the coach and the toad. The wife objected the work of
installing/removal of the cylinder, especially after she saw a friends
Unified Tow Brake made by US Gear,

When we got our Bird and decided to tow the Fleetwood Caddy, she
insisted she wanted a tow brake that did not require any work on her
part and was hidden from view. The Unified Tow Brake fits these
requirements. It is proportional to the slowing of the coach (determined
electronically) and takes no effort in the hook up process. The only
connection between the coach and toad is two wires which I incorporated
in the same cable as the lights so no additional work. I take that back
- I do have to connect the break-a-way cable. That is the only
additional work. The installation is completely hidden. In my case, I
put the actuator under the carpeting in the truck and ran the actuating
cable up to the brake pedal under the carpet. The only thing that shows
is the clamp on the brake pedal arm. At the driver's station of the
coach, the controller is mounted in a convenient spot. It senses the
deceleration of the vehicle and sends it to the toad. It also has
indicator lights that tell you how the system is working and a manual
lever for manual operation of the system.

I found a place in MO (Can't remember the name right now) that had the
best price. Google or Yahoo should give you a lot of places that have it.

Hope this helps you in your decision.

George Lowry
'06 Alpine Apex - former owner of '95 WBDA 4203
Spearfish, SD enjoying the weather in Palm Springs.

scoggins_jim wrote:

>I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep Liberty.
>I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
>your thoughts on the different brands.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim Scoggins
>04 M380
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George,
Thank you for posting the Unified Tow Brake info. I've been thinking our
toad should have brake a control. The Unified Tow Brake is the best I've
reviewed to date.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.


George Lowry wrote:

> HI Jim,
>
> I have looked at most of the various systems available and have actually
> used two. The Brake Buddy and other copies consist of a heavy box that
> must be installed and uninstalled each time, and stored someplace when
> not under tow. To me, it is most inconvenient. I have met several
> people that had one of them and changed to another system.
>
> I originally used the Brakemaster on the El Camino towed by the
> Converted GM bus. It works very well, is proportional to the brake
> pressure on the towing vehicle. However the drawbacks are: it requires
> tapping into the air brake system on the coach (not difficult) and (that
> the wife objected to most) Installation and removal of the actuating
> cylinder each time. This is the cylinder that applies pressure to the
> brake pedal. There is also an air line with quick disconnects that
> connects between the coach and the toad. The wife objected the work of
> installing/removal of the cylinder, especially after she saw a friends
> Unified Tow Brake made by US Gear,
>
> When we got our Bird and decided to tow the Fleetwood Caddy, she
> insisted she wanted a tow brake that did not require any work on her
> part and was hidden from view. The Unified Tow Brake fits these
> requirements. It is proportional to the slowing of the coach (determined
> electronically) and takes no effort in the hook up process. The only
> connection between the coach and toad is two wires which I incorporated
> in the same cable as the lights so no additional work. I take that back
> - I do have to connect the break-a-way cable. That is the only
> additional work. The installation is completely hidden. In my case, I
> put the actuator under the carpeting in the truck and ran the actuating
> cable up to the brake pedal under the carpet. The only thing that shows
> is the clamp on the brake pedal arm. At the driver's station of the
> coach, the controller is mounted in a convenient spot. It senses the
> deceleration of the vehicle and sends it to the toad. It also has
> indicator lights that tell you how the system is working and a manual
> lever for manual operation of the system.
>
> I found a place in MO (Can't remember the name right now) that had the
> best price. Google or Yahoo should give you a lot of places that have it.
>
> Hope this helps you in your decision.
>
> George Lowry
> '06 Alpine Apex - former owner of '95 WBDA 4203
> Spearfish, SD enjoying the weather in Palm Springs.
>
> scoggins_jim wrote:
>
> >I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep Liberty.
> >I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
> >your thoughts on the different brands.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jim Scoggins
> >04 M380
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Jim,

Like George, I did not want to install, uninstall and store anything
for a toad brake. I looked at United and SMI Silent Partner. I
ended up with SMI only because of the remote control and monitoring
unit in the coach cockpit. It is proportional, has breakaway
feature and the cylinder is permanently installed. It does tap into
the toad vacuum system for actuating the cylinder. It does not use
the coach air brakes. It is activated by an inertia system in a box
in the toad. Unfortunately, I think the box is a little big and
might be hard to find a hidden spot to keep it. My last toad
required that I unplug it when I needed to use the passenger seat.
Defeated the purpose of the simple concept. With my Rubicon
Wrangler, it works the way I wanted.

Take a look at both and decide what works best for you.

Tom McCarthy
Poway, CA
"Penny Express" '95 PT42


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, George Lowry
wrote:
>
> HI Jim,
>
> I have looked at most of the various systems available and have
actually
> used two. The Brake Buddy and other copies consist of a heavy box
that
> must be installed and uninstalled each time, and stored someplace
when
> not under tow. To me, it is most inconvenient. I have met several
> people that had one of them and changed to another system.
>
> I originally used the Brakemaster on the El Camino towed by the
> Converted GM bus. It works very well, is proportional to the brake
> pressure on the towing vehicle. However the drawbacks are: it
requires
> tapping into the air brake system on the coach (not difficult) and
(that
> the wife objected to most) Installation and removal of the
actuating
> cylinder each time. This is the cylinder that applies pressure to
the
> brake pedal. There is also an air line with quick disconnects that
> connects between the coach and the toad. The wife objected the
work of
> installing/removal of the cylinder, especially after she saw a
friends
> Unified Tow Brake made by US Gear,
>
> When we got our Bird and decided to tow the Fleetwood Caddy, she
> insisted she wanted a tow brake that did not require any work on
her
> part and was hidden from view. The Unified Tow Brake fits these
> requirements. It is proportional to the slowing of the coach
(determined
> electronically) and takes no effort in the hook up process. The
only
> connection between the coach and toad is two wires which I
incorporated
> in the same cable as the lights so no additional work. I take that
back
> - I do have to connect the break-a-way cable. That is the only
> additional work. The installation is completely hidden. In my
case, I
> put the actuator under the carpeting in the truck and ran the
actuating
> cable up to the brake pedal under the carpet. The only thing that
shows
> is the clamp on the brake pedal arm. At the driver's station of
the
> coach, the controller is mounted in a convenient spot. It senses
the
> deceleration of the vehicle and sends it to the toad. It also has
> indicator lights that tell you how the system is working and a
manual
> lever for manual operation of the system.
>
> I found a place in MO (Can't remember the name right now) that had
the
> best price. Google or Yahoo should give you a lot of places that
have it.
>
> Hope this helps you in your decision.
>
> George Lowry
> '06 Alpine Apex - former owner of '95 WBDA 4203
> Spearfish, SD enjoying the weather in Palm Springs.
>
> scoggins_jim wrote:
>
> >I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
Liberty.
> >I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What
are
> >your thoughts on the different brands.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jim Scoggins
> >04 M380
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks Tom. I'll put the SMI unit on my list. as well as the United.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.



Tom McCarthy wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Like George, I did not want to install, uninstall and store anything
> for a toad brake. I looked at United and SMI Silent Partner. I
> ended up with SMI only because of the remote control and monitoring
> unit in the coach cockpit. It is proportional, has breakaway
> feature and the cylinder is permanently installed. It does tap into
> the toad vacuum system for actuating the cylinder. It does not use
> the coach air brakes. It is activated by an inertia system in a box
> in the toad. Unfortunately, I think the box is a little big and
> might be hard to find a hidden spot to keep it. My last toad
> required that I unplug it when I needed to use the passenger seat.
> Defeated the purpose of the simple concept. With my Rubicon
> Wrangler, it works the way I wanted.
>
> Take a look at both and decide what works best for you.
>
> Tom McCarthy
> Poway, CA
> "Penny Express" '95 PT42
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, George Lowry
> wrote:
> >
> > HI Jim,
> >
> > I have looked at most of the various systems available and have
> actually
> > used two. The Brake Buddy and other copies consist of a heavy box
> that
> > must be installed and uninstalled each time, and stored someplace
> when
> > not under tow. To me, it is most inconvenient. I have met several
> > people that had one of them and changed to another system.
> >
> > I originally used the Brakemaster on the El Camino towed by the
> > Converted GM bus. It works very well, is proportional to the brake
> > pressure on the towing vehicle. However the drawbacks are: it
> requires
> > tapping into the air brake system on the coach (not difficult) and
> (that
> > the wife objected to most) Installation and removal of the
> actuating
> > cylinder each time. This is the cylinder that applies pressure to
> the
> > brake pedal. There is also an air line with quick disconnects that
> > connects between the coach and the toad. The wife objected the
> work of
> > installing/removal of the cylinder, especially after she saw a
> friends
> > Unified Tow Brake made by US Gear,
> >
> > When we got our Bird and decided to tow the Fleetwood Caddy, she
> > insisted she wanted a tow brake that did not require any work on
> her
> > part and was hidden from view. The Unified Tow Brake fits these
> > requirements. It is proportional to the slowing of the coach
> (determined
> > electronically) and takes no effort in the hook up process. The
> only
> > connection between the coach and toad is two wires which I
> incorporated
> > in the same cable as the lights so no additional work. I take that
> back
> > - I do have to connect the break-a-way cable. That is the only
> > additional work. The installation is completely hidden. In my
> case, I
> > put the actuator under the carpeting in the truck and ran the
> actuating
> > cable up to the brake pedal under the carpet. The only thing that
> shows
> > is the clamp on the brake pedal arm. At the driver's station of
> the
> > coach, the controller is mounted in a convenient spot. It senses
> the
> > deceleration of the vehicle and sends it to the toad. It also has
> > indicator lights that tell you how the system is working and a
> manual
> > lever for manual operation of the system.
> >
> > I found a place in MO (Can't remember the name right now) that had
> the
> > best price. Google or Yahoo should give you a lot of places that
> have it.
> >
> > Hope this helps you in your decision.
> >
> > George Lowry
> > '06 Alpine Apex - former owner of '95 WBDA 4203
> > Spearfish, SD enjoying the weather in Palm Springs.
> >
> > scoggins_jim wrote:
> >
> > >I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
> Liberty.
> > >I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What
> are
> > >your thoughts on the different brands.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Jim Scoggins
> > >04 M380
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Jim,

FWIW, I Googled US Gear Unified Tow Brake and found several sources,
one also for the SMI unit at:

http://www.discounttowingsupply.com/stayinplay.htm

They offer a price match guarantee and free shipping on orders over
$500. Their website shows an SMI unit mounted in a 2004 Liberty.

Jim Owens
77 FC33SB (Gas)
2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport toad
Lake of the Ozarks, MO


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@...> wrote:
>
> I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
Liberty.
> I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
> your thoughts on the different brands.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Scoggins
> 04 M380
>

I recently installed the M&G brake system and it seems a whole lot more
simple than the Unified Tow Brake. On our previous Toad I used the
Brake Buddy and did not like dealing with it. On more than one occasion
it was out of position after a long trip...you do need to check it on a
regular basis.

The M&G system is just added to the brake cylinder and is actuated by
the coaches air system. I can't even tell it is on the car and the only
'extra' hose is the air connection between the coach and the car (quick
connects at each end).

I haven't used it yet, but it is the system many others in our area were
most familiar with.

http://www.m-gengineering.com/

Brian Gatley
93 WLWB PT40
Bend, OR

-----Original Message-----
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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] brake assit for TOAD


George,
Thank you for posting the Unified Tow Brake info. I've been thinking our

toad should have brake a control. The Unified Tow Brake is the best I've

reviewed to date.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.


George Lowry wrote:

> HI Jim,
>
> I have looked at most of the various systems available and have
actually
> used two. The Brake Buddy and other copies consist of a heavy box
that
> must be installed and uninstalled each time, and stored someplace when
> not under tow. To me, it is most inconvenient. I have met several
> people that had one of them and changed to another system.
>
> I originally used the Brakemaster on the El Camino towed by the
> Converted GM bus. It works very well, is proportional to the brake
> pressure on the towing vehicle. However the drawbacks are: it requires
> tapping into the air brake system on the coach (not difficult) and
(that
> the wife objected to most) Installation and removal of the actuating
> cylinder each time. This is the cylinder that applies pressure to the
> brake pedal. There is also an air line with quick disconnects that
> connects between the coach and the toad. The wife objected the work of
> installing/removal of the cylinder, especially after she saw a friends
> Unified Tow Brake made by US Gear,
>
> When we got our Bird and decided to tow the Fleetwood Caddy, she
> insisted she wanted a tow brake that did not require any work on her
> part and was hidden from view. The Unified Tow Brake fits these
> requirements. It is proportional to the slowing of the coach
(determined
> electronically) and takes no effort in the hook up process. The only
> connection between the coach and toad is two wires which I
incorporated
> in the same cable as the lights so no additional work. I take that
back
> - I do have to connect the break-a-way cable. That is the only
> additional work. The installation is completely hidden. In my case, I
> put the actuator under the carpeting in the truck and ran the
actuating
> cable up to the brake pedal under the carpet. The only thing that
shows
> is the clamp on the brake pedal arm. At the driver's station of the
> coach, the controller is mounted in a convenient spot. It senses the
> deceleration of the vehicle and sends it to the toad. It also has
> indicator lights that tell you how the system is working and a manual
> lever for manual operation of the system.
>
> I found a place in MO (Can't remember the name right now) that had the
> best price. Google or Yahoo should give you a lot of places that have
it.
>
> Hope this helps you in your decision.
>
> George Lowry
> '06 Alpine Apex - former owner of '95 WBDA 4203
> Spearfish, SD enjoying the weather in Palm Springs.
>
> scoggins_jim wrote:
>
> >I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
Liberty.
> >I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
> >your thoughts on the different brands.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jim Scoggins
> >04 M380
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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you will find the m-g system is a great addon for your toad .The only
caveat is in a lot of new vehicles it will not fit.and it is because
of the design of the vehicle not the M-G System. there just is not
enough room under the hood for the sytem. Call m-g engineering for
tech advice they are most pleasant to deal with.It really is a good
product.
Stephen 77fc35




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Gatley" wrote:
>
> I recently installed the M&G brake system and it seems a whole lot more
> simple than the Unified Tow Brake. On our previous Toad I used the
> Brake Buddy and did not like dealing with it. On more than one occasion
> it was out of position after a long trip...you do need to check it on a
> regular basis.
>
> The M&G system is just added to the brake cylinder and is actuated by
> the coaches air system. I can't even tell it is on the car and the only
> 'extra' hose is the air connection between the coach and the car (quick
> connects at each end).
>
> I haven't used it yet, but it is the system many others in our area were
> most familiar with.
>
> http://www.m-gengineering.com/
>
> Brian Gatley
> 93 WLWB PT40
> Bend, OR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Curt Sprenger
> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:27 AM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] brake assit for TOAD
>
>
> George,
> Thank you for posting the Unified Tow Brake info. I've been thinking our
>
> toad should have brake a control. The Unified Tow Brake is the best I've
>
> reviewed to date.
>
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
> George Lowry wrote:
>
> > HI Jim,
> >
> > I have looked at most of the various systems available and have
> actually
> > used two. The Brake Buddy and other copies consist of a heavy box
> that
> > must be installed and uninstalled each time, and stored someplace when
> > not under tow. To me, it is most inconvenient. I have met several
> > people that had one of them and changed to another system.
> >
> > I originally used the Brakemaster on the El Camino towed by the
> > Converted GM bus. It works very well, is proportional to the brake
> > pressure on the towing vehicle. However the drawbacks are: it requires
> > tapping into the air brake system on the coach (not difficult) and
> (that
> > the wife objected to most) Installation and removal of the actuating
> > cylinder each time. This is the cylinder that applies pressure to the
> > brake pedal. There is also an air line with quick disconnects that
> > connects between the coach and the toad. The wife objected the work of
> > installing/removal of the cylinder, especially after she saw a friends
> > Unified Tow Brake made by US Gear,
> >
> > When we got our Bird and decided to tow the Fleetwood Caddy, she
> > insisted she wanted a tow brake that did not require any work on her
> > part and was hidden from view. The Unified Tow Brake fits these
> > requirements. It is proportional to the slowing of the coach
> (determined
> > electronically) and takes no effort in the hook up process. The only
> > connection between the coach and toad is two wires which I
> incorporated
> > in the same cable as the lights so no additional work. I take that
> back
> > - I do have to connect the break-a-way cable. That is the only
> > additional work. The installation is completely hidden. In my case, I
> > put the actuator under the carpeting in the truck and ran the
> actuating
> > cable up to the brake pedal under the carpet. The only thing that
> shows
> > is the clamp on the brake pedal arm. At the driver's station of the
> > coach, the controller is mounted in a convenient spot. It senses the
> > deceleration of the vehicle and sends it to the toad. It also has
> > indicator lights that tell you how the system is working and a manual
> > lever for manual operation of the system.
> >
> > I found a place in MO (Can't remember the name right now) that had the
> > best price. Google or Yahoo should give you a lot of places that have
> it.
> >
> > Hope this helps you in your decision.
> >
> > George Lowry
> > '06 Alpine Apex - former owner of '95 WBDA 4203
> > Spearfish, SD enjoying the weather in Palm Springs.
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> > >
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FWIW, I had one installed on my 85 WL40 and transfered it to my 95WLWB42 along
with moving it from a Jeep GC and placing it in a Durango. It has worked very
well on all vehicles and I do not hesitate to recommend the Unified tow brak by
U S Gear.
Wallace Craig

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$500. Their website shows an SMI unit mounted in a 2004 Liberty.

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> I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
Liberty.
> I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
> your thoughts on the different brands.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Scoggins
> 04 M380
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Howdy.
>>>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@...> wrote:
>
> I am thinking of putting a brake assist in my new TOAD--06 Jeep
Liberty.
> I know nothing about them other than one name-Brake Buddy. What are
> your thoughts on the different brands.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Scoggins
> 04 M380>>>>>>

I realize that this is probably a "dumb" question. If the weight of
theTOAD is less than 10% of the weight of the coach, does one
reallyNEED auxilliary braking for a TOAD?

Regards,
Jack
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
Homesick Texans in SE. FL







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