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01-02-2006, 03:51
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Stolen from storage area
When we sold our home 3 years ago, the stuff we didn't give away was
stored with the intent to sell it on Ebay along with our 94 Tracker. We chose a storage facility that had an on-site manager, barbed wire, camera's all around, coded access. We rented a garage that we could store all the stuff as well as the Tracker in. I put a $50 Abloy padlock on that is supposed to be tamperproof. Went back a month later to put tabs on the Tracker and found the Tracker gone, lock gone and everything we had stored gone. Manager said they weren't liable and if I didn't like the way the place was run, we could just leave..I was so pissed asked him to step outside and "visit" with me around the side of the building..his wife said she would call the police..I said do it as I was going to file anyway. Fast forward, one month later the Tracker was spotted in a nearby town...cops followed it and were lead to a meth house where the tow bar was laying next to a fence and 5 other stolen cars were stored. Moral...take pics of everything you have in storage, get storage insurance and don't assume the space you rented is secure. Bob Lawrence 84 PT36 Tacky Tacoma, Wa. > Steve: This might be of interest to those who store their rig in a > storage area, as I have to due to the wunnerful HOA :-(. > I heard this on a Lawyer Call-In program & assume it is correct, but > perhaps some others may chime in. > A boat was stored in a facility, and vandelized to the extent of the > Out-drive being stolen. The storage lot owners pointed out that the > contract stated stuff was stored at the owners own risk. > But the Lawyer pointed out that if the storage yard had security > items: Cameras, Locked Gate, and/or on-site manager, there is an > "Expectation of Security", and the yard owners are, in fact, liable. > Any comments on this? > Jack Smith > 1973FC31 > SoCal-in-the-rain > |
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01-02-2006, 06:14
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Stolen from storage area
Bob, Jack,
The perpetrators sound like the kind of folks our son gets to represent as a public defender. Srange how many meth labs and tweakers there are in conservative southwest Missouri. I'd have to call him for an explanation but it sounds like this may be an issue of whether or not a bailment was created apart from the issue of "Expectation of Security." Good advice on the photo documentation and insurance. There are inexpensive software programs to record and store home inventories or you could just format your own spreadsheet and file a copy with your insurance agent. Jim & Pam Owens 77 FC33SB (Gas) Lake of the Ozarks, MO --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence" > > When we sold our home 3 years ago, the stuff we didn't give away was > stored with the intent to sell it on Ebay along with our 94 Tracker. > We chose a storage facility that had an on-site manager, barbed wire, > camera's all around, coded access. We rented a garage that we could > store all the stuff as well as the Tracker in. I put a $50 Abloy > padlock on that is supposed to be tamperproof. > Went back a month later to put tabs on the Tracker and found the > Tracker gone, lock gone and everything we had stored gone. > Manager said they weren't liable and if I didn't like the way the > place was run, we could just leave..I was so pissed asked him to step > outside and "visit" with me around the side of the building..his wife > said she would call the police..I said do it as I was going to file > anyway. > Fast forward, one month later the Tracker was spotted in a nearby > town...cops followed it and were lead to a meth house where the tow > bar was laying next to a fence and 5 other stolen cars were stored. > Moral...take pics of everything you have in storage, get storage > insurance and don't assume the space you rented is secure. > > Bob Lawrence > 84 PT36 > Tacky Tacoma, Wa. > > > Steve: This might be of interest to those who store their rig in a > > storage area, as I have to due to the wunnerful HOA :-(. > > I heard this on a Lawyer Call-In program & assume it is correct, but > > perhaps some others may chime in. > > A boat was stored in a facility, and vandalized to the extent of the > > Out-drive being stolen. The storage lot owners pointed out that the > > contract stated stuff was stored at the owners own risk. > > But the Lawyer pointed out that if the storage yard had security > > items: Cameras, Locked Gate, and/or on-site manager, there is an > > "Expectation of Security", and the yard owners are, in fact, liable. > > Any comments on this? > > Jack Smith > > 1973FC31 > > SoCal-in-the-rain > > > |
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01-02-2006, 06:36
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I believe that a bailment has more to do with who and how it is
accessed. If you put your own lock on a door, the property owners have no access and therefore it is not a bailment (or so is my best recollection from a feeble attempt at a law degree decades ago). - Jeff Miller in Holland, MI --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Owens" > > Bob, Jack, > > The perpetrators sound like the kind of folks our son gets to > represent as a public defender. Srange how many meth labs and > tweakers there are in conservative southwest Missouri. > > I'd have to call him for an explanation but it sounds like this may > be an issue of whether or not a bailment was created apart from the > issue of "Expectation of Security." Good advice on the photo > documentation and insurance. There are inexpensive software programs > to record and store home inventories or you could just format your > own spreadsheet and file a copy with your insurance agent. > > Jim & Pam Owens > 77 FC33SB (Gas) > Lake of the Ozarks, MO |
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01-02-2006, 06:55
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Bob, I lost two tractors both were picked up off jobsites one was
even stolen while I worked. The tractors are worth 40 k each and even though insured ,what a pain and expense to rent and search. I looked into lojack devices. With lojack you must coordinate with the police. with private locate system you can ask the police if they want to ride along .I opted to use this. http://tinyurl.com/7n7vv You can move it from vehicle to vehicle or product to person. In the past I would reapproach the jobsit in fear as I looked for the tractor, now I cant wait for it to be stolen and the fun to begin. In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Owens" wrote: > > Bob, Jack, > > The perpetrators sound like the kind of folks our son gets to > represent as a public defender. Srange how many meth labs and > tweakers there are in conservative southwest Missouri. > > I'd have to call him for an explanation but it sounds like this may > be an issue of whether or not a bailment was created apart from the > issue of "Expectation of Security." Good advice on the photo > documentation and insurance. There are inexpensive software programs > to record and store home inventories or you could just format your > own spreadsheet and file a copy with your insurance agent. > > Jim & Pam Owens > 77 FC33SB (Gas) > Lake of the Ozarks, MO > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence" > > > > > When we sold our home 3 years ago, the stuff we didn't give away > was > > stored with the intent to sell it on Ebay along with our 94 Tracker. > > We chose a storage facility that had an on-site manager, barbed > wire, > > camera's all around, coded access. We rented a garage that we could > > store all the stuff as well as the Tracker in. I put a $50 Abloy > > padlock on that is supposed to be tamperproof. > > Went back a month later to put tabs on the Tracker and found the > > Tracker gone, lock gone and everything we had stored gone. > > Manager said they weren't liable and if I didn't like the way the > > place was run, we could just leave..I was so pissed asked him to > step > > outside and "visit" with me around the side of the building..his > wife > > said she would call the police..I said do it as I was going to file > > anyway. > > Fast forward, one month later the Tracker was spotted in a nearby > > town...cops followed it and were lead to a meth house where the tow > > bar was laying next to a fence and 5 other stolen cars were stored. > > Moral...take pics of everything you have in storage, get storage > > insurance and don't assume the space you rented is secure. > > > > Bob Lawrence > > 84 PT36 > > Tacky Tacoma, Wa. > > > > > Steve: This might be of interest to those who store their rig in > a > > > storage area, as I have to due to the wunnerful HOA :-(. > > > I heard this on a Lawyer Call-In program & assume it is correct, > but > > > perhaps some others may chime in. > > > A boat was stored in a facility, and vandalized to the extent of > the > > > Out-drive being stolen. The storage lot owners pointed out that > the > > > contract stated stuff was stored at the owners own risk. > > > But the Lawyer pointed out that if the storage yard had security > > > items: Cameras, Locked Gate, and/or on-site manager, there is an > > > "Expectation of Security", and the yard owners are, in fact, > liable. > > > Any comments on this? > > > Jack Smith > > > 1973FC31 > > > SoCal-in-the-rain > > > > > > |
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01-02-2006, 09:06
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I wonder if the "on site" manager was in on the deal.
Mike Hohnstein ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Miller To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stolen from storage area I believe that a bailment has more to do with who and how it is accessed. If you put your own lock on a door, the property owners have no access and therefore it is not a bailment (or so is my best recollection from a feeble attempt at a law degree decades ago). - Jeff Miller in Holland, MI --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Owens" > > Bob, Jack, > > The perpetrators sound like the kind of folks our son gets to > represent as a public defender. Srange how many meth labs and > tweakers there are in conservative southwest Missouri. > > I'd have to call him for an explanation but it sounds like this may > be an issue of whether or not a bailment was created apart from the > issue of "Expectation of Security." Good advice on the photo > documentation and insurance. There are inexpensive software programs > to record and store home inventories or you could just format your > own spreadsheet and file a copy with your insurance agent. > > Jim & Pam Owens > 77 FC33SB (Gas) > Lake of the Ozarks, MO SPONSORED LINKS Recreational vehicles Wanderlodge Automotive maintenance Recreational vehicle dealer Used recreational vehicles Automotive radiators ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "WanderlodgeForum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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01-03-2006, 12:52
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Hard to say..although one month later he and his wife left this
facility..don't know if was fired for his comments to me or quit..no matter, got the car back, lost everything else. Bob Lawrence 84 PT36 Tacky Tacoma, Wa. > I wonder if the "on site" manager was in on the deal. > Mike Hohnstein > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Miller > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:36 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stolen from storage area > > > I believe that a bailment has more to do with who and how it is > accessed. If you put your own lock on a door, the property owners > have no access and therefore it is not a bailment (or so is my best > recollection from a feeble attempt at a law degree decades ago). > > - Jeff Miller > in Holland, MI > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Owens" > > > > > Bob, Jack, > > > > The perpetrators sound like the kind of folks our son gets to > > represent as a public defender. Srange how many meth labs and > > tweakers there are in conservative southwest Missouri. |
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