Lil' Stanker

[Pete Masterson]

1. Best way is to snake it ... that way if there is a blockage, you'll clear it. You can put your hand over the vent as your partner flushes (or empties a full sink of water) and see if you feel a change in air pressure -- but that won't let you know if there is only a partial blockage.

2. Depends on the brand and model of toilet. If you're losing water from the bowl in a "few hours" then the flush valve seals need to be replaced. While usually not difficult, it's helpful if you have had some plumbing experience. The manufacturer of your toilet should have instruction (probably online) and a kit or a referral to where you can order a seal kit.

3. The (apparent) OEM vent has a Bernoulli-principle shaped end on it, reducing the vent line air pressure while under way. (This is a passive method unlike the motorized Lil' Stankers.)

FWIW, I rarely have any "tank odors" inside the coach. The few times I have occured when (1) something caused the flush valve to not close properly, causing a loss of water in the bowl; (2) when I had the Fantastic Fan going at top speed and there was no source of outside air (normally, I open the Kool-o-matic vent to let air in); and (3) on a couple of other rare occasions for reasons I couldn't determine.

I _have_ noticed that some tank odors being detected upon flushing -- but either dumping the tank or adding a dose of a tankdeodorantseems to clear that problem. (I use some dry powder blue stuff in little packets that I got at Walmart because they're convenient and seem to work. I've also used some other products that also seemed to work, but were less convenient. I understand that Steve Birtles sells a "really good" tankdeodorant, but I've never purchased any of it.

I must emphasize, that the odor problems I've had are few and not particularly annoying (and I and my wife both have sensitive noses). Since Kurt (who also has a '95) has written several times on this issue, I can only assume that the different floor plan in my coach has "better" handling of tank odors and/or that there's some other inherent differences.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale)

<http://www.aeonix.biz/BBforsale.html>

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Wright wrote:

Thank you for the responses. Some questions:

1. How do I check the vent for a blockage?

2. What else could I do to find the source(s) of the smells? I don't
have a washer/dryer and I keep my p-traps full of water by regularly
using the sinks & shower. My toilet, however, does not hold water for
long - if I fill the bowl, it will be empty after a few hours. Should
I replace it? (Is this difficult? It's a straight-drop, not an air
toilet) If so, any recommendations on what type of toilet to buy?

3. If anyone has installed the in-line Lil' Stankers, I'd like to hear
more on where you put them / how you accessed the vent lines. I'd
prefer the in-lines over the roof mounts, but it looks like it would
be very difficult to install and service the in-lines.

Thank you!

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

<snip>

[timvasqz]

Ryan. if we have the same china pattern, I found that my wax ring melted away from sealing up and was a source of 20% of the oder. 10% was the water leaking past the flaper. 20% more is from the atmospheric vacumn breaker valve on the auxiliary tankwash system. the balance of the oder is Chili I had a year ago.

to remove the toilet and replace the wax ring you may want to just do a new flapper at the same time because it is necessary to remove the toilet and the plastic tank bolted to the china to remove the flapper. You can try and adjust the flapper but over adjustment may crack the flapper if there is high fiber/ slow moving flushes. To adjust crapper flapperis simple, look on page six.

theCF seals up against a china ridge that may have some calcium on it. open the lid and start a flush when the CF is open all the way open , remove 12 volts from the cam motor. then you can feel the china ridge for issues. once closed and full of water you should be able to push the flapper with a finger and seap water out. you only need it tight enough to seal up. too tight will break a flapper and the cam. I under adjusted the flapper to let it wear a memory on the seal then readjusted to the point that it keeps water for a three day period. I think a flapper kit, extra seal kit, and cam shipped was under 80 bucks shipped from MicrophorStore

I want to replace the vacumn breaker but have not found a code asbv for under $200. motorhomes pressurizing and unpressurizing have more backflow issues.

Gregory ofTim&Greg94ptCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> 1. Best way is to snake it ... that way if there is a blockage, you'll
> clear it. You can put your hand over the vent as your partner flushes
> (or empties a full sink of water) and see if you feel a change in air
> pressure -- but that won't let you know if there is only a partial
> blockage.
>
> 2. Depends on the brand and model of toilet. If you're losing water
> from the bowl in a "few hours" then the flush valve seals need to be
> replaced. While usually not difficult, it's helpful if you have had
> some plumbing experience. The manufacturer of your toilet should have
> instruction (probably online) and a kit or a referral to where you can
> order a seal kit.
>
> 3. The (apparent) OEM vent has a Bernoulli-principle shaped end on it,
> reducing the vent line air pressure while under way. (This is a
> passive method unlike the motorized Lil' Stankers.)
>
> FWIW, I rarely have any "tank odors" inside the coach. The few times I
> have occured when (1) something caused the flush valve to not close
> properly, causing a loss of water in the bowl; (2) when I had the
> Fantastic Fan going at top speed and there was no source of outside
> air (normally, I open the Kool-o-matic vent to let air in); and (3) on
> a couple of other rare occasions for reasons I couldn't determine.
>
> I _have_ noticed that some tank odors being detected upon flushing --
> but either dumping the tank or adding a dose of a tank deodorant seems
> to clear that problem. (I use some dry powder blue stuff in little
> packets that I got at Walmart because they're convenient and seem to
> work. I've also used some other products that also seemed to work, but
> were less convenient. I understand that Steve Birtles sells a "really
> good" tank deodorant, but I've never purchased any of it.
>
> I must emphasize, that the odor problems I've had are few and not
> particularly annoying (and I and my wife both have sensitive noses).
> Since Kurt (who also has a '95) has written several times on this
> issue, I can only assume that the different floor plan in my coach has
> "better" handling of tank odors and/or that there's some other
> inherent differences.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale)
> <http://www.aeonix.biz/BBforsale.html>
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@...
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Wright wrote:
>
> > Thank you for the responses. Some questions:
> >
> > 1. How do I check the vent for a blockage?
> >
> > 2. What else could I do to find the source(s) of the smells? I don't
> > have a washer/dryer and I keep my p-traps full of water by regularly
> > using the sinks & shower. My toilet, however, does not hold water for
> > long - if I fill the bowl, it will be empty after a few hours. Should
> > I replace it? (Is this difficult? It's a straight-drop, not an air
> > toilet) If so, any recommendations on what type of toilet to buy?
> >
> > 3. If anyone has installed the in-line Lil' Stankers, I'd like to hear
> > more on where you put them / how you accessed the vent lines. I'd
> > prefer the in-lines over the roof mounts, but it looks like it would
> > be very difficult to install and service the in-lines.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > -Ryan
> > '86 PT-40 8V92
> <snip>
>

[Ryan Wright]

It's a "Sealand Traveler" ... Was there when we bought the coach.

I'm not real fond of it, to tell you the truth. I'd like to find a
fancy electronic toilet where I can push a button and the bowl will
fill, push a button to flush, etc. Not sure if one exists.

Only reason I haven't replaced this thing yet is I'm not sure how to
go about it. I'm afraid I'll get it apart and wind up with a smelly,
multi-day project. If I thought I could swap it out in a couple of
hours I'd have done it by now.

-Ryan

On 2/2/09, Kurt Horvath wrote:
>
> What type of toilet is in your coach?
>
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT42
> 10AC
>