91 SP on Ebay

[John]

Leroy,

I appreciate the looking out for me, as you know I need as much help
that I can get now days, in more ways than that too :o)

You are correct the photos on my web site are copyrighted and need my
permission to copy them, but the URL link to the different albums and
photos is up for public use as far as I know.

JOHN FINN
1982 FC35RB BLUEBIRD WANDERLODGE
HOPKINS, SOUTH CAROLINA
VISIT THE FINN'S INN EXPRESS REMODELING ADVENTURE AND TECH. TIPS
http://www.pbase.com/image/24977457
I'M SO SLOW ON THE HILLS,
THAT I GET TO SMELL THE FLOWERS AS I GO BY
.....AND WATCH THEM GROW TOO!!
REMEMBER 9/11

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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert
wrote:
>
> I knew your stuff was copyrighted or something and just thought I
would advise. Merry Christmas.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Brad, are you getting out of the motorhome biz or moving on up?
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

brad barton <bbartonwx@...> wrote:
All,
After a California trip with daughter and grandbaby this February, we are likely
to put our coach on the market. Of course, now that the toilet's working again,
we may keep it. Another phantom circuit breaker. Brad Barton
00LXiDFWbbartonwx@...


To: WanderlodgeForum@...: erniecarpet@...: Tue, 18 Dec
2007 20:48:26 -0500Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 91 SP on Ebay




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just a for sale sign in the windshield, please post it. Ernie
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[Scott Forman]

John,

There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by each.
When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I got
was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do not
have the track record of the Allison and I have been told finding a
ZF-certified shop is much harder.

I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience, I am
only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a large
diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> I like the looks of the coach and the size, one question I have is
> that this has the 3208 CAT and not the Detroit Diesel. Now I don't
> know a thing about the DD diesels but I wonder if that would be a
big
> negative to this particular bus. I've heard it said that pushing a
> 3208 Cat to 300hp is asking a lot of that engine. Other then that
> seems like a nice bus. I would really be interested in opinions on
> this subject. I really don't need a 40 ft bus but it seems to me
that
> the buses between the FC and the BIG BOYS all have significant
> compromises. Right or wrong?
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973
>
>
> >
> > Wow- they even left the refrigerator in it (LOL). Very nice coach
> > indeed. Seats look to be in good condition as does carpeting.
> Gardner-
> > are you out there?
> >
> > It is somewhat disingenuous for the seller to be making us all
> appear
> > to be some sort of newfound "family" for the purchaser. What if
the
> > new purchaser is Canadian or something? He might even have a mean
> > Lhasa Apsos that doesn't get along with John Finn's "Buddy the
> wonder
> > dog" so well. Oh the horror of it all.
> >
> > Merry Christmas everyone!
> >
> > Shane Fedeli
> > 85PT40
> > Hershey, PA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy A. Eckert"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > For sale by a dealer in Mesa, Az. It makes no difference to me.
SW
> > > Bluebirders and iamflagman (John Finn??)links are referenced
kinda
> > > sorta like advertising or possibly blessing the coach or that
is
> the
> > > way I took it. Is that cool with you folks?
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > > Dahlonega, GA
> > > Royale Conversion
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Shane , Give it a rest. I was put off the other forum because I
responded to your attempt. I have respect that this is not a
commercial posturing forum and practice restrain learned in a
mandated class. I would hope you guys respond to the issue of
deposit on the previous matter and not leave us readers with open
ended assumptions.

GregoryO'Connor
94pt with foglights
RomolandCa


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...>
wrote:
>
> Wow- they even left the refrigerator in it (LOL). Very nice coach
> indeed. Seats look to be in good condition as does carpeting.
Gardner-
> are you out there?
>
> It is somewhat disingenuous for the seller to be making us all
appear
> to be some sort of newfound "family" for the purchaser. What if the
> new purchaser is Canadian or something? He might even have a mean
> Lhasa Apsos that doesn't get along with John Finn's "Buddy the
wonder
> dog" so well. Oh the horror of it all.
>
> Merry Christmas everyone!
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy A. Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> > For sale by a dealer in Mesa, Az. It makes no difference to me.
SW
> > Bluebirders and iamflagman (John Finn??)links are referenced
kinda
> > sorta like advertising or possibly blessing the coach or that is
the
> > way I took it. Is that cool with you folks?
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Royale Conversion
> >
>

[randydupree2000]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>nobody put you off on my site!
Randy
> Shane , Give it a rest. I was put off the other forum because I
> responded to your attempt. I have respect that this is not a
> commercial posturing forum and practice restrain learned in a
> mandated class. I would hope you guys respond to the issue of
> deposit on the previous matter and not leave us readers with open
> ended assumptions.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94pt with foglights
> RomolandCa
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow- they even left the refrigerator in it (LOL). Very nice coach
> > indeed. Seats look to be in good condition as does carpeting.
> Gardner-
> > are you out there?
> >
> > It is somewhat disingenuous for the seller to be making us all
> appear
> > to be some sort of newfound "family" for the purchaser. What if
the
> > new purchaser is Canadian or something? He might even have a mean
> > Lhasa Apsos that doesn't get along with John Finn's "Buddy the
> wonder
> > dog" so well. Oh the horror of it all.
> >
> > Merry Christmas everyone!
> >
> > Shane Fedeli
> > 85PT40
> > Hershey, PA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy A. Eckert"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > For sale by a dealer in Mesa, Az. It makes no difference to me.
> SW
> > > Bluebirders and iamflagman (John Finn??)links are referenced
> kinda
> > > sorta like advertising or possibly blessing the coach or that
is
> the
> > > way I took it. Is that cool with you folks?
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > > Dahlonega, GA
> > > Royale Conversion
> > >
> >
>

[Juergen]

John and Scott
My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop to fix the
tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so few in the US. The East
coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia, PA and the other in Ft. Myers,
FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they are hard to to get to. The reason for so
few shops is mainly that the tranny just doesn't break down as much as the
Allison. When I was towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out
to be BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low Voltage to the
ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a ZF tranny shot in a
motorhome and he said never. If they do break, its usually either neglect, or
bad maintenance. Taking care of the ZF is simple and doesn't need much help.
I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you as the owner
to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats its ORDER. Jawohl.
Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and fluid clean, and
not overheat or cook it to death.
Juergen in PA
1991 WLSP36
Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote: John,

There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by each.
When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I got
was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do not
have the track record of the Allison and I have been told finding a
ZF-certified shop is much harder.

I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience, I am
only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a large
diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis








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[bubblerboy64]

Juergen, Thanks for the information and I enjoyed the obvious humor
in your post. I would love to get to a rally of the BB's some time
to see what we are all talking about. To have a chance to examine
what others have done and to compare models and years etc. I have
this idea that I don't want anything bigger then what I own now but
I do see some advantage to the quieter pusher engines with perhaps
an extra couple horse power. So I guess in the back of my mind I am
at least considering the possibility of a move at some point (aren't
we all)? Its like in the best of marriages a guy still looks doesn't
he? If for no other reason then to feel good about the one he has.
So not wanting a 40 footer it takes me back to the BMC coaches and
the specials. I know everyone has their opinions on the pro's and
con's on all of this and I am just at the edge of the learning
curve. So I am interested in any opinions or suggestions in all of
this.

I too would like to wish all of you the best of holiday seasons and
again I thank you for the help given last year with my transition
from wantabe to proud owner of "The Big Napper" I am waiting for
the cabinet maker to finish and install the drawer fronts and then I
will post pictures of my restored interior. For a "college boy" with
no practical experience I am proud of what I have done. The wall
paper on the brown formica walls really worked out rather well and
in my opinion looks great and brightened up the inside of the bus. I
constantly get positive comments. The ladies seem to be more
impressed then the men or at least they are the ones who approach me
and make comments. Typically the question goes something like: "Is
that an old bus or a new one?" They are confused because the lines
of course look old but with the new paint it looks too new to be
old. So its really been working out great for me. I've put about
4000 miles on it and I can honestly say I have not had one "fixit"
that the previous owner didn't inform me of. Not to say that down
the road something couldn't happen but I don't think I could have
gotten a better deal or a better coach for what I have invested in
this one. Lots and lots of hours spent but that also was what I
intended. Next year I want to try to get all the gages working. I
have a bunch that do not. I will need some hand holding on that so
if any of you have experience with the electrics of these ole FC's I
may need to bend your ears some. I had the dash a part enough to get
it cleaned up and painted and I seen a bunch of wire splicing has
been done so I have some work cut out to get all that figured out.
But its like the rest of it. Time and learning as ya go.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC



>
> John and Scott
> My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop
to fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so few
in the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia, PA
and the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they
are hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that
the tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I
was towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to
be BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low
Voltage to the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a
ZF tranny shot in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break,
its usually either neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the
ZF is simple and doesn't need much help.
> I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats
its ORDER. Jawohl.
> Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and fluid
clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> Juergen in PA
> 1991 WLSP36
> Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote:
John,
>
> There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by
each.
> When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I
got
> was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do
not
> have the track record of the Allison and I have been told finding
a
> ZF-certified shop is much harder.
>
> I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience, I
am
> only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a
large
> diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Memphis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

[mbulriss]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
wrote:
>I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
>as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it.
>Thats its ORDER. Jawohl.

Juergen,

This cracked me up and brought back memories of a Porsche I had once.
I owned a Corvette and a Porsche at the same time. One just ran and
ran and ran (like my Bird!). The other required a visit to the clinic
every quarter as the seasons changed to adjust the brain box so that
it ran well. They were really nice German speaking gentlemen that
wore white lab coats and send me greeting cards every holiday. The
$60 tiny fiber washer for the gas pedal linkage ended my love affair
with German anything.....

Thanks for stirring the memories!

LOL!

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX - off to South Padre in hours!!! Yee-haw!!








--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
wrote:
>
> John and Scott
> My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop to
fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so few in
the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia, PA and
the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they are
hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that the
tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I was
towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to be
BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low Voltage to
the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a ZF tranny shot
in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break, its usually either
neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the ZF is simple and
doesn't need much help.
> I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you as
the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats its
ORDER. Jawohl.
> Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and fluid
clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> Juergen in PA
> 1991 WLSP36
> Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote: John,
>
> There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by each.
> When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I got
> was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do not
> have the track record of the Allison and I have been told finding a
> ZF-certified shop is much harder.
>
> I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience, I am
> only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a large
> diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Memphis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---NO problem with my ZF tranny. I had heard bad things about the ZF
but it all turned out to be Bluebirds electrical setup or something
like that to the ZF, once they sorted that out everything was good.
They only made the SP from 89-92 and the 89 year is where I heard
they had the "electrical" problem. I also heard that thousands of
GARBAGE trucks have ZF trannys...and you know how rough they run
them....I am comfortable with my ZF tranny...
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all.
Regards,
Hank Hannigan & Naty
90SP36(stored in Vegas for now)






In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
wrote:
>
> John and Scott
> My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop to
fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so few in
the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia, PA and
the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they are
hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that the
tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I was
towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to be
BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low Voltage
to the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a ZF tranny
shot in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break, its usually
either neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the ZF is simple
and doesn't need much help.
> I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats
its ORDER. Jawohl.
> Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and fluid
clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> Juergen in PA
> 1991 WLSP36
> Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote:
John,
>
> There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by
each.
> When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I
got
> was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do
not
> have the track record of the Allison and I have been told finding
a
> ZF-certified shop is much harder.
>
> I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience, I
am
> only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a
large
> diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Memphis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---John:
I imagine your bird is gasoline. If yes, recommend you consider
putting it on LPG. That way you could run it on either gasoline or
LPG.
In Australia, the government is trying to put more cars on LPG by
giving them $2000 to convert. I just converted my Mitsubishi
campervan for $2100 and we got back $2000...a good deal as LPG costs
56 cents a liter and petro(gasoline) costs $1.40 per liter. Quite a
savings. USA has always enjoyed cheap gas but that is
changing.........all u need is a conversion kit that goes over the
carby and some hose and a tank...probably some great Australian web
sites on it(.com.au). I have an 80 liter tank but the bird could have
a much bigger one. There is NO noticable decrease in power to me
from LPG to petrol.

I am off subject but when u said rally and the heading was SP's...I
thought maybe we should have an SP rally sometime. there should be
plenty of SP's out there as Bluebird built them for four
years.....ANY interst out there???
Regards,
Hank Hannigan & Naty
90SP36(stored in Vegas for now)



In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
>
> Juergen, Thanks for the information and I enjoyed the obvious humor
> in your post. I would love to get to a rally of the BB's some time
> to see what we are all talking about. To have a chance to examine
> what others have done and to compare models and years etc. I have
> this idea that I don't want anything bigger then what I own now but
> I do see some advantage to the quieter pusher engines with perhaps
> an extra couple horse power. So I guess in the back of my mind I am
> at least considering the possibility of a move at some point
(aren't
> we all)? Its like in the best of marriages a guy still looks
doesn't
> he? If for no other reason then to feel good about the one he has.
> So not wanting a 40 footer it takes me back to the BMC coaches and
> the specials. I know everyone has their opinions on the pro's and
> con's on all of this and I am just at the edge of the learning
> curve. So I am interested in any opinions or suggestions in all of
> this.
>
> I too would like to wish all of you the best of holiday seasons and
> again I thank you for the help given last year with my transition
> from wantabe to proud owner of "The Big Napper" I am waiting for
> the cabinet maker to finish and install the drawer fronts and then
I
> will post pictures of my restored interior. For a "college boy"
with
> no practical experience I am proud of what I have done. The wall
> paper on the brown formica walls really worked out rather well and
> in my opinion looks great and brightened up the inside of the bus.
I
> constantly get positive comments. The ladies seem to be more
> impressed then the men or at least they are the ones who approach
me
> and make comments. Typically the question goes something like: "Is
> that an old bus or a new one?" They are confused because the lines
> of course look old but with the new paint it looks too new to be
> old. So its really been working out great for me. I've put about
> 4000 miles on it and I can honestly say I have not had one "fixit"
> that the previous owner didn't inform me of. Not to say that down
> the road something couldn't happen but I don't think I could have
> gotten a better deal or a better coach for what I have invested in
> this one. Lots and lots of hours spent but that also was what I
> intended. Next year I want to try to get all the gages working. I
> have a bunch that do not. I will need some hand holding on that so
> if any of you have experience with the electrics of these ole FC's
I
> may need to bend your ears some. I had the dash a part enough to
get
> it cleaned up and painted and I seen a bunch of wire splicing has
> been done so I have some work cut out to get all that figured out.
> But its like the rest of it. Time and learning as ya go.
>
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
>
>
>
> >
> > John and Scott
> > My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop
> to fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so
few
> in the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia,
PA
> and the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they
> are hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that
> the tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I
> was towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to
> be BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low
> Voltage to the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a
> ZF tranny shot in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break,
> its usually either neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the
> ZF is simple and doesn't need much help.
> > I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
> as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats
> its ORDER. Jawohl.
> > Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and
fluid
> clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> > Juergen in PA
> > 1991 WLSP36
> > Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote:
> John,
> >
> > There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by
> each.
> > When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I
> got
> > was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do
> not
> > have the track record of the Allison and I have been told
finding
> a
> > ZF-certified shop is much harder.
> >
> > I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience,
I
> am
> > only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a
> large
> > diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> Mobile. Try it now.
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> >
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