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Transporting a new purchase
12-05-2007, 11:20
Post: #11
Transporting a new purchase
Thank you everyone.
It seems like it is pretty state dependant. I just need to get
in touch with the particular DMV or maybe a friendly dealer.
Insurance is a given, I wouldn't leave home without it. It looks
like the Texas coach isn't going to work out, so back to the
want-ads!

Gardner
78FC33


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> Some states (California) give you 10 days.
>
> Be sure to arrange appropriate liability coverage with your
insurance
> agent before you take possession. In many states, you can get in
more
> trouble for lack of insurance than for lack of registration.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> 1995 Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> On the road at Golden Colorado
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Glenn Allen wrote:
>
> > If I'm not mistaken, most states give you 30 days to document a
newly
> > purchased motor vehicle. However, you must have insurance to
drive
> > it home. You can get the insurance to give you a policy and fax
a
> > copy of the binder to you at the purchase site (assuming they can
> > receive a fax).
>
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12-05-2007, 11:28
Post: #12
Transporting a new purchase
Careful you are talking about two things here insurance and a tag.
Insurance I think has been covered and is easy. You essentially give
the information to your agent and he gives you a binder. Now the
license stuff can get interesting. In Pa I could not get a temporary
tag to take with me. They do not issue temporary tags (used to years
ago). And they would not give me a permanent tag until the vehicle
was into Pa and they could verify vin numbers and the title work was
done. In other words you don't get a license until you own it and
most importantly PAY THE TAX ON IT. So you ask what did I do. My
coach came out of Michigan and the state of Michigan gave me a
temporary tag to transport it. So I don't know how it would work for
a guy taking a vehicle from a state like Pa to another with the same
stupid (in my opinion) rules. Maybe we are on to ourselves in this.
The owner was willing to let me take the bus on his tag put I was not
very comfortable doing that. The dealers over come this with dealer
tags. So don't assume anything. I have a feeling that the police
might look the other way as long as it was a private party sale and
you were not doing a 100 mph in a 25 zone but you can't be sure of
anything. In Pa if you got caught speeding and the bus was not
legally registered I am certain you would not get a way with a
warning. The driver would get a ticket for the moving violation and
if there was an accident and the registration was in the other guys
name I fear he could potentially be at risk as well. They always sue
the person with the deep pockets. So what ever it takes do it
legally. I was about half afraid or driving home anyways, so I
didn't want to have anyone else's neck sticking out on this deal.
Had it been a car I could have taken a chance or trailered it home
which I have done a number of time. Good ole Pa.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC




>
> Some states (California) give you 10 days.
>
> Be sure to arrange appropriate liability coverage with your
insurance
> agent before you take possession. In many states, you can get in
more
> trouble for lack of insurance than for lack of registration.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> 1995 Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> On the road at Golden Colorado
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Glenn Allen wrote:
>
> > If I'm not mistaken, most states give you 30 days to document a
newly
> > purchased motor vehicle. However, you must have insurance to
drive
> > it home. You can get the insurance to give you a policy and fax a
> > copy of the binder to you at the purchase site (assuming they can
> > receive a fax).
>
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12-05-2007, 13:36
Post: #13
Transporting a new purchase
So I should avoid PA in my return trip. Thanks

Gardner
78FC33
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> Careful you are talking about two things here insurance and a
tag.
> Insurance I think has been covered and is easy. You essentially
give
> the information to your agent and he gives you a binder. Now the
> license stuff can get interesting. In Pa I could not get a
temporary
> tag to take with me. They do not issue temporary tags (used to
years
> ago). And they would not give me a permanent tag until the
vehicle
> was into Pa and they could verify vin numbers and the title work
was
> done. In other words you don't get a license until you own it and
> most importantly PAY THE TAX ON IT. So you ask what did I do. My
> coach came out of Michigan and the state of Michigan gave me a
> temporary tag to transport it. So I don't know how it would work
for
> a guy taking a vehicle from a state like Pa to another with the
same
> stupid (in my opinion) rules. Maybe we are on to ourselves in
this.
> The owner was willing to let me take the bus on his tag put I was
not
> very comfortable doing that. The dealers over come this with
dealer
> tags. So don't assume anything. I have a feeling that the police
> might look the other way as long as it was a private party sale
and
> you were not doing a 100 mph in a 25 zone but you can't be sure of
> anything. In Pa if you got caught speeding and the bus was not
> legally registered I am certain you would not get a way with a
> warning. The driver would get a ticket for the moving violation
and
> if there was an accident and the registration was in the other
guys
> name I fear he could potentially be at risk as well. They always
sue
> the person with the deep pockets. So what ever it takes do it
> legally. I was about half afraid or driving home anyways, so I
> didn't want to have anyone else's neck sticking out on this deal.
> Had it been a car I could have taken a chance or trailered it home
> which I have done a number of time. Good ole Pa.
>
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Some states (California) give you 10 days.
> >
> > Be sure to arrange appropriate liability coverage with your
> insurance
> > agent before you take possession. In many states, you can get in
> more
> > trouble for lack of insurance than for lack of registration.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@
> > 1995 Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > On the road at Golden Colorado
> >
> >
> > On Dec 5, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Glenn Allen wrote:
> >
> > > If I'm not mistaken, most states give you 30 days to document
a
> newly
> > > purchased motor vehicle. However, you must have insurance to
> drive
> > > it home. You can get the insurance to give you a policy and
fax a
> > > copy of the binder to you at the purchase site (assuming they
can
> > > receive a fax).
> >
>
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12-05-2007, 14:23
Post: #14
Transporting a new purchase
Gardner,

I got the brisket wagon back in '04 in Mesa, AZ and drove it all the
way back to PA with no tag! So much for homeland security! The 30-day
paper tag I was given by the notary/tag service would not have stood
up to the road spray, so I just kept it on the dash during the trip,
but amazingly never got stopped. You'll most likely have to pay the
sales tax in whatever state you buy the coach in. Prior to going out
to get it, call your insurance agent and get a binder on the new coach
(you will need the VIN, etc..). Most states will only charge a nominal
fee for the 30-day T-tag and you can get a permanent one back in Jersey.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> Larry,
> Thanks. I sent a query to the Texas DMV, but I expect it to take a
> while. I can't find exactly what I want on their site; Only things
> for commercial vehicles crossing the state.
>
> I have little vacation time so if I do find a new coach I don't
> want to waste days stuck in some DMV office without the required
> documentation/identification.
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Larry Dill
> wrote:
> >
> > Gardner,
> > When I purchased my BB it was located in CT about 6 miles from the
> MA border... What I did was get it insured by my agent and then went
> to CT MV and had a temporary tag to transport the BB to my
> location... The Tag was a paper one...
> > HTH
> >
> > Sea Ya
> > Larry
> > NYC
> > 84 35FCSB
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Gardner Yeaw
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 2:06:55 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Transporting a new purchase
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was wondering how people deal with getting a new
> purchased Bird
> >
> > home. If I were to go half way across the country to look at one, I
> >
> > would rather pay up and drive it home than go to the expense and
> time
> >
> > of another round trip. Naturally I couldn't get it licenced and
> >
> > registered in my home state, New Jersey, without being there, so
> what
> >
> > method of temporary licencing is available? Do you obtain it from
> the
> >
> > resident state or the purchase state? I expect it varies from state
> to
> >
> > state, but today I am interested in Texas. I don't have a friend
> with
> >
> > dealer plates, and playing with the law isn't in my plan, so a
> >
> > legitimite solution is what I am looking for?
> >
> >
> >
> > Any experiences out there?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gardner
> >
> > 78FC33 (for now)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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12-05-2007, 19:34
Post: #15
Transporting a new purchase
Gardner, I've bought and drove home many vehicles. There's really
nothing to this.

When you buy a vehicle it usually already has license plates and
current tabs on it. If you're buying used it's already licensed unless
it's been sitting awhile and the thing has expired. Therefore, just
drive it home - you've got the plates and you're legal.

When I bought my DeLorean, the previous owner had custom plates he
wanted to keep. So I drove it the 17 hours & three states home without
license plates. Saw several cops but didn't get pulled over. If I had,
a simple "I just bought this car and can't license it until I get it
home - here's a copy of the purchase agreement / title / whatever"
would have let me right off the hook.

As for insurance it depends on who you're with. My State Farm agent
automatically gives me 30 days of coverage on any new vehicle purchase
so I didn't have to do anything - just drive home and bring it by
their office to fill out a policy when I had time. When I bought my
coach I could have done the same, however due to the money, distance
and type of vehicle involved we decided it would be better if I had it
inspected by a State Farm agent in Texas. That way, if something went
wrong on the way home, I'd have proof that the damage wasn't there. So
after purchase we drove a couple of miles down the road to the nearest
agent, she looked at it, called my agent and said "It's beautiful" and
we were on our merry way.

Anyway, don't fret about this as it's really no big deal at all. Don't
even worry about messing with some out of state DMV. You'll be wasting
your time and money and chances are they'll have no idea what to do
with you anyway. If you're especially worried, go down to your local
DMV before you leave and buy a temporary permit, most states sell
them. Technically it's not valid in other states but it's another
piece of official documentation to show any cop who stops you. Just
say, "Well, I just bought it but can't license it until I get it home,
so I bought this here temporary permit so I can legally drive it
home." I had one on hand when I bought the DeLorean just in case but
didn't need it. Think I paid a whopping $15 for it.

Do drive your new toy home - It's some of the most fun you'll ever
have and will create memories to last a lifetime. I have wonderful
memories of all of the vehicles I've driven home from other states,
especially of the Wanderlodge.

-Ryan

On Dec 5, 2007 11:06 AM, Gardner Yeaw wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was wondering how people deal with getting a new purchased Bird
> home. If I were to go half way across the country to look at one, I
> would rather pay up and drive it home than go to the expense and time
> of another round trip. Naturally I couldn't get it licenced and
> registered in my home state, New Jersey, without being there, so what
> method of temporary licencing is available? Do you obtain it from the
> resident state or the purchase state? I expect it varies from state to
> state, but today I am interested in Texas. I don't have a friend with
> dealer plates, and playing with the law isn't in my plan, so a
> legitimite solution is what I am looking for?
>
> Any experiences out there?
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33 (for now)
>
>
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12-06-2007, 10:48
Post: #16
Transporting a new purchase
Shane,
In New Jersey you pay the tax when you register it. So I need to
find out what other states require so I don't pay TWICE. There must
be some kind of system to handle these kinds of transactions. I
can't imagine folks paying double tax.

Gardner


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...>
wrote:
>
> Gardner,
>
> I got the brisket wagon back in '04 in Mesa, AZ and drove it all
the
> way back to PA with no tag! So much for homeland security! The 30-
day
> paper tag I was given by the notary/tag service would not have
stood
> up to the road spray, so I just kept it on the dash during the
trip,
> but amazingly never got stopped. You'll most likely have to pay the
> sales tax in whatever state you buy the coach in. Prior to going
out
> to get it, call your insurance agent and get a binder on the new
coach
> (you will need the VIN, etc..). Most states will only charge a
nominal
> fee for the 30-day T-tag and you can get a permanent one back in
Jersey.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
> wrote:
> >
> > Larry,
> > Thanks. I sent a query to the Texas DMV, but I expect it to
take a
> > while. I can't find exactly what I want on their site; Only
things
> > for commercial vehicles crossing the state.
> >
> > I have little vacation time so if I do find a new coach I
don't
> > want to waste days stuck in some DMV office without the required
> > documentation/identification.
> >
> > Gardner
> > 78FC33
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Larry Dill
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gardner,
> > > When I purchased my BB it was located in CT about 6 miles from
the
> > MA border... What I did was get it insured by my agent and then
went
> > to CT MV and had a temporary tag to transport the BB to my
> > location... The Tag was a paper one...
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Sea Ya
> > > Larry
> > > NYC
> > > 84 35FCSB
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Gardner Yeaw
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 2:06:55 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Transporting a new purchase
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was wondering how people deal with getting a
new
> > purchased Bird
> > >
> > > home. If I were to go half way across the country to look at
one, I
> > >
> > > would rather pay up and drive it home than go to the expense
and
> > time
> > >
> > > of another round trip. Naturally I couldn't get it licenced
and
> > >
> > > registered in my home state, New Jersey, without being there,
so
> > what
> > >
> > > method of temporary licencing is available? Do you obtain it
from
> > the
> > >
> > > resident state or the purchase state? I expect it varies from
state
> > to
> > >
> > > state, but today I am interested in Texas. I don't have a
friend
> > with
> > >
> > > dealer plates, and playing with the law isn't in my plan, so a
> > >
> > > legitimite solution is what I am looking for?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any experiences out there?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gardner
> > >
> > > 78FC33 (for now)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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12-06-2007, 11:15
Post: #17
Transporting a new purchase
You may not be able to imagine folks paying double, but it does happen. Sales
taxes are completely within the control of the states.

Some states have reciprocal agreements, some do not. For those that do not, it
does not necessarily mean you have to double-pay, but it could.

I am most familiar with California, which has no reciprocals with any other
state. What they do allow is a credit for any tax paid elsewhere on the sale.

I am in an area where the rate is 7.25%. I once bought an RV in Arizona and
wanted delivery there, so paid a bit over 8% sales tax. As a result, I did not
owe California anything for sales/use tax.

If I bought one somewhere with 6% tax, I would owe California 1.25%.

If you take delivery of a vehicle in California (from a dealer), you owe sales
tax. Since there are no reciprocals, it is possible some other state might not
give you any credit for that.

All of the California dealers have arrangements with notaries in bordering
states; their driver takes it to Laughlin, or Yuma, or wherever, and you take
notarized possession and no sales tax is paid to California.

When buying from a private party, these issues generally don't arise. You don't
pay tax to the seller, and you do pay tax when you get home.

Because of that, and the fact that dealers know all about the laws of their own
state, I would not spend a lot of time worrying. If you buy from a dealer, ask
how it is handled there. If you buy privately, just get a Bill of Sale (I would
have it notarized) and drive away.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

On 12/6/2007 at 10:48 PM Gardner Yeaw wrote:

>Shane,
> In New Jersey you pay the tax when you register it. So I need to
>find out what other states require so I don't pay TWICE. There must
>be some kind of system to handle these kinds of transactions. I
>can't imagine folks paying double tax.
>
>Gardner
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12-06-2007, 11:39
Post: #18
Transporting a new purchase
If buying from a dealer, you'll get a temporary "paper" plate or some
other new car indication. (In CA, it's a small receipt-thing that is
taped to the lower right corner of the windshield.) My coach,
purchased in Texas was given a license plate sized card board upon
which the dealer wrote a date (about 30 days into the future). Unless
you're doing something odd, such as using a LLC in a "favorable"
state (like Montana or North Dakota), you'll be given the bill of
sale and other papers to take with you to the license/tax office in
your state. When I bought my coach in Texas, I did pay a small
"transfer fee" (as I recall, 1/2 of 1% or so) of the transaction cost
to Texas. It may be that fee applies to sales heading out of state
only ... other states may or may not have similar fees.

If buying from a private party, you'll almost always have their old
plates -- although in Colorado, you have to retain your old plates
and turn them back in to the county vehicle tax office. Again, in
Colorado, dealers put a temporary "paper plate" in the back window of
the car that's dated (much like Texas) to give you 30 days or so to
get the vehicle registered.

Frankly, my experience with Colorado vs. California is that Colorado
makes it a big deal and not at all convenient. You must physically
appear at the license office, offer proof of identity, and then pay
the fees. (I found all this out because my 91 year old father in law
bough a new (used) car, then died before it was registered. We wanted
to register it in my 80 year old mother-in-law's name -- but she's
paralyzed and an invalid. Still, she had to appear at the tax office
and sign the forms to register the vehicle. This was a major
undertaking.

In California, if you buy from a dealer, the dealer collects the tax
and forwards it to the state. You get the registration and plates in
the mail in about 2 weeks...

As I may have said before, when I bought my coach, I had the Texas
paper plate on the dashboard, and drove across Texas, Oklahoma,
Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, and California. I was not
molested by any police along the way, except for a RV fan Nevada
Highway Patrolman who was curious about the coach.

I think most of the time patrol/police officers don't have time to
bother with registration anomalies unless there is some other reason
to stop a vehicle. (It's unlikely that a thief had just robbed a
convenience store and used a similar Blue Bird to make their escape
-- so you're not on their radar.) Indeed, in California, since new
cars or cars without registration carry their permits as small slips
of paper on the front windshield, it's obvious that the police aren't
looking too close at vehicles without plates...


On Dec 6, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Gardner Yeaw wrote:

> Shane,
> In New Jersey you pay the tax when you register it. So I need to
> find out what other states require so I don't pay TWICE. There must
> be some kind of system to handle these kinds of transactions. I
> can't imagine folks paying double tax.
>
> Gardner
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12-06-2007, 11:40
Post: #19
Transporting a new purchase
I checked the NJ laws, and they are similar to California:
-------------
When goods and services are purchased in another state and sales tax is paid to
that state, New Jersey will
allow a credit against the use tax due, provided that the other state allows a
similar credit for sales tax paid
to New Jersey. If the sales tax rate in a reciprocating state is equal to, or
greater than, New Jersey.s 7% tax
rate, no use tax is due.
--------------
The only difference is that they require the other state to have similar rules,
while California allows the credit regardless.

Not completely germane to this question, but to complete the California use tax
story: California has an odd rule for residents that says if you take
out-of-state delivery and stay out of California for 90 days, you can avoid the
sales tax completely. Includes airplanes and yachts. That law was changed in
2004 to make it nearly impossible, but the law had a sunset clause that ran out
June 30th of this year, and the law was not renewed, so it is back to the old
days where 90 days out will do it.

On 12/6/2007 at 3:15 PM Don Bradner wrote:

>You may not be able to imagine folks paying double, but it does happen.
>Sales taxes are completely within the control of the states.
>
>Some states have reciprocal agreements, some do not. For those that do
>not, it does not necessarily mean you have to double-pay, but it could.
>
>I am most familiar with California, which has no reciprocals with any
>other state. What they do allow is a credit for any tax paid elsewhere on
>the sale.
>
>I am in an area where the rate is 7.25%. I once bought an RV in Arizona
>and wanted delivery there, so paid a bit over 8% sales tax. As a result, I
>did not owe California anything for sales/use tax.
>
>If I bought one somewhere with 6% tax, I would owe California 1.25%.
>
>If you take delivery of a vehicle in California (from a dealer), you owe
>sales tax. Since there are no reciprocals, it is possible some other state
>might not give you any credit for that.
>
>All of the California dealers have arrangements with notaries in bordering
>states; their driver takes it to Laughlin, or Yuma, or wherever, and you
>take notarized possession and no sales tax is paid to California.
>
>When buying from a private party, these issues generally don't arise. You
>don't pay tax to the seller, and you do pay tax when you get home.
>
>Because of that, and the fact that dealers know all about the laws of
>their own state, I would not spend a lot of time worrying. If you buy from
>a dealer, ask how it is handled there. If you buy privately, just get a
>Bill of Sale (I would have it notarized) and drive away.
>
>Don Bradner
>90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>Eureka, CA
>
>On 12/6/2007 at 10:48 PM Gardner Yeaw wrote:
>
>>Shane,
>> In New Jersey you pay the tax when you register it. So I need to
>>find out what other states require so I don't pay TWICE. There must
>>be some kind of system to handle these kinds of transactions. I
>>can't imagine folks paying double tax.
>>
>>Gardner
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12-06-2007, 12:17
Post: #20
Transporting a new purchase
If you happened to be involved in an accident or a traffic violation
and you are pulled over what do they ask for? Your license, your
insurance, and your registration. Anyone argue with that? Think a
bill of sale is good enough? I would not sell a car and let a fellow
drive it on my registration and I would not ask to do so in return.
I don't loan cars to people either but that is essentially what you
are doing legally until the registration is changed over or at least
it could be interpreted that way in the you guess it a "court of
law". The risk is minimal I admit but I don't intend to take it.
It's up to the two parties in the deal and if neither has a problem
then it's up to Da Judge from there. I checked with my local DMV in
Pa and they told me that as far as Pa was concerned if you did not
have a dealers tag you better have the vehicle trailered. They did
say that if the state from which the vehicle was purchased issued ME
a temporary tag then that was OK. Again ,Pa doesn't issue temporary
tags, but apparently traveling thru Pa with a properly executed
temporary tag is fine. The cops are going to look for the same name
on all three pieces they ask for, are they not? Bill of sale? Look
the individual cop might wave you on. Every time I've ever been
stopped save one time I was written up for the works.

And as far as a binder not being necessary because the insurance
company gives you 30 days. I don't trust that one either. I can't
repeat "insurance companies are our friends" over and over enough
that I want to take any chances with them. So I get the binder in
writing which of course you have to have to get that temporary tag.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC




>
> You may not be able to imagine folks paying double, but it does
happen. Sales taxes are completely within the control of the states.
>
> Some states have reciprocal agreements, some do not. For those that
do not, it does not necessarily mean you have to double-pay, but it
could.
>
> I am most familiar with California, which has no reciprocals with
any other state. What they do allow is a credit for any tax paid
elsewhere on the sale.
>
> I am in an area where the rate is 7.25%. I once bought an RV in
Arizona and wanted delivery there, so paid a bit over 8% sales tax.
As a result, I did not owe California anything for sales/use tax.
>
> If I bought one somewhere with 6% tax, I would owe California 1.25%.
>
> If you take delivery of a vehicle in California (from a dealer),
you owe sales tax. Since there are no reciprocals, it is possible
some other state might not give you any credit for that.
>
> All of the California dealers have arrangements with notaries in
bordering states; their driver takes it to Laughlin, or Yuma, or
wherever, and you take notarized possession and no sales tax is paid
to California.
>
> When buying from a private party, these issues generally don't
arise. You don't pay tax to the seller, and you do pay tax when you
get home.
>
> Because of that, and the fact that dealers know all about the laws
of their own state, I would not spend a lot of time worrying. If you
buy from a dealer, ask how it is handled there. If you buy privately,
just get a Bill of Sale (I would have it notarized) and drive away.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Eureka, CA
>
> On 12/6/2007 at 10:48 PM Gardner Yeaw wrote:
>
> >Shane,
> > In New Jersey you pay the tax when you register it. So I need
to
> >find out what other states require so I don't pay TWICE. There
must
> >be some kind of system to handle these kinds of transactions. I
> >can't imagine folks paying double tax.
> >
> >Gardner
>
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