Do they sell any devices?

[Ryan Wright]

Pete,

Sorry for the dumb question, but: Will the schedule 40 pipe be OK in
there long term? Also, with this trick, can you run the high speed
pumps at full speed and be OK?

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

On 10/8/07, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> The problem is the venting of the fuel tank. The vent is either
> inadequate or clogged (or both). The older birds have a 3" fill pipe.
> You can insert a 2" schedule 40 plumbing pipe down the fill tube into
> the bottom of the fuel tank. These are fairly stiff and won't fall
> in. I'd start with an 8' length and see if it sticks out and cut off
> the end so that you can still close the cap -- but have the pipe end
> just below the filler end. You place the fill nozzle into the plastic
> pipe (so the fuel runs into the bottom of the tank) and then the air
> isn't trapped and comes out next to the fill pipe.
>

[bloomas]

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It does not work.if you are going to the RIV ill give it to you.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36


Hey Jon,
Go yo the Corvettecorrection.com...he has a bird and sells a slipin
pipe that all but eliminates the splashback.
Got one for my bird...can show it to you at the Hoodsport Rally.
That's corvettecorrection.com...not connection.com.
Seems to work ok.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Tacoma, Wa.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" wrote:
>
> I know you can use a plastic hose to keep the gas tank when filling
> up with fuel from backing up and splashing you?
>
> I was just wondering as if you ever lost that hose in your tank you
> would be in a world of hurt.
>
> Oh yes I notice that the my 78 when I tried to fill it up at the
high
> speed pumps it just won't accept the fuel and there again it backs
up
> and oops all over you!
>
> My friends David Beatty motor home doesn't do this and I guess its
> just the design of the tank and the fill pipe.
>
> You would have thought that the Blue Bird corporation would have
made
> a special fill pipe in the first place so you wouldn't haft to
fiddle
> around with a plastic hose dropped into the tank to keep it from
> burping back on you.
>
> While were on the Blue bird agenda have any of you removed any of
the
> cabinets up front? Boy you talk about a hash job of fitting the
back
> of these cabinets over the front tire wheel well. When I removed
> mine it looked like some kid out of the fourth grade cut the curve
> fit as it just looked like dog poop!!! Steve Anderson has noticed
> this also in his coach also. Million dollar coaches when it comes
to
> looks but get behind that look and see what kind of ship shod work
> some of there installers did back in the 70's.
>
> Oh well I wonder if that goes on today????
>
> Got an estimate on installing higher gears in rear end and it looks
> like it will be around 2000 dollars (4.88) (Now how do I get the
> money out of the bank without my wife finding out?).
>
> Hay you guys have a great day and its just a wonderfull rainy day
up
> here in Washington.
>
> Jipjob
> Rebel Bird
> Bremerton Washington
>





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[Pete Masterson]

I believe the white plumbing pipe is OK with various chemicals. You
can do a google search on it. So, yes, it should be OK long term and
then the high-speed pumps should be able to go full speed or nearly
so...

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Hurricane UT



On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Ryan Wright wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Sorry for the dumb question, but: Will the schedule 40 pipe be OK in
> there long term? Also, with this trick, can you run the high speed
> pumps at full speed and be OK?
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
>
> On 10/8/07, Pete Masterson wrote:
>>
>> The problem is the venting of the fuel tank. The vent is either
>> inadequate or clogged (or both). The older birds have a 3" fill
>> pipe.
>> You can insert a 2" schedule 40 plumbing pipe down the fill tube
>> into
>> the bottom of the fuel tank. These are fairly stiff and won't fall
>> in. I'd start with an 8' length and see if it sticks out and cut off
>> the end so that you can still close the cap -- but have the pipe end
>> just below the filler end. You place the fill nozzle into the
>> plastic
>> pipe (so the fuel runs into the bottom of the tank) and then the air
>> isn't trapped and comes out next to the fill pipe.
>>
>



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[Ron Thompson]

Thanks Pete, I can always count on you to have a definitive and well understood
answer.

You are right about close monitoring of the fuel level and the proper cutoff of
the pump. Actually you need ot have someone on the other side monitoring the
other inlet if possible. So far since I started opening both inlets I have had
no splash back.

Ron Thompson
1995 WLWB 42'


Pete Masterson wrote: One 300
gallon tank, two inlets. That way you don't have to turn the
coach around. Opening both inlets will allow air to escape, but you
have to watch out that the pump actually turns off when you're full
or you'll just pump through from one side to the other....

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Hurricane UT (Zion NP)

On Oct 7, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Ron Thompson wrote:

> Hey, I have a question here about the fuel tanks. I have a 1995 WL
> Wide body with 300 gallon capacity. The first time I fueled up, I
> got a backup bath. The next time I filled up, since there are Fuel
> Inlets on both sides I opened them both up and never got a back
> up. Was that coincidence or are those two inlets going into the
> same 300 gallon tank.
>
> I have owned this bird only since about July and really don't know
> whether there are two seperate tanks or just one with two inlets.
>
> Anyone out there have an answer. Would appreciate it.

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Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.
1995 WLWB 42'Blue Bird
(cockyfox@...)

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[Don Bradner]

Running VMSpc with a tank monitor I know within just a few gallons what I will
be taking when I fill. The problem is that I only have one fill, and it is on
the opposite side from the metering pump on 99% of all fuel islands. Using the
satellite pump you can't see how many gallons you have pumped. I don't really
like to leave the nozzle unattended, but that has not yet been a concern. I
watch the meter side until I'm about 20 gallons shy of expected full, then hurry
around and set the nozzle on a lower setting. Have never experienced splashback
that way.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Posting by satellite from Falcon, Colorado (East of Colorado Springs)
Heading out today for Raton Pass

On 10/9/2007 at 8:52 AM Ron Thompson wrote:

>Thanks Pete, I can always count on you to have a definitive and well
>understood answer.
>
>You are right about close monitoring of the fuel level and the proper
>cutoff of the pump. Actually you need ot have someone on the other side
>monitoring the other inlet if possible. So far since I started opening
>both inlets I have had no splash back.

[Ron Thompson]

Don,

Dumb question but can you explain what a VMSpc with a tank monitor is? And
where can I get one.

Ron Thompson
95 WLWB 42'


Don Bradner wrote:
Running VMSpc with a tank monitor I know within just a few gallons what I will
be taking when I fill. The problem is that I only have one fill, and it is on
the opposite side from the metering pump on 99% of all fuel islands. Using the
satellite pump you can't see how many gallons you have pumped. I don't really
like to leave the nozzle unattended, but that has not yet been a concern. I
watch the meter side until I'm about 20 gallons shy of expected full, then hurry
around and set the nozzle on a lower setting. Have never experienced splashback
that way.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Posting by satellite from Falcon, Colorado (East of Colorado Springs)
Heading out today for Raton Pass

On 10/9/2007 at 8:52 AM Ron Thompson wrote:

>Thanks Pete, I can always count on you to have a definitive and well
>understood answer.
>
>You are right about close monitoring of the fuel level and the proper
>cutoff of the pump. Actually you need ot have someone on the other side
>monitoring the other inlet if possible. So far since I started opening
>both inlets I have had no splash back.






Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.
1995 WLWB 42'Blue Bird
(cockyfox@...)

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[Pete Masterson]

It's been a frustration to me, as well. I get serious splash back
from some pumps -- I can't even put 10 gallons in without it
splashing back at me (when I should be able to put in 150 gallons).
Other times, all goes well.

I've found that the fill up often works best when I pump at a
moderate rate (no more than the 2nd notch of 3) and hold the
dispenser nozzle up so the fuel runs down the bottom of the fill
tube. One near-impossible to guess factor is that sometimes the fuel
foams more than other times. I can only guess that it's differences
in the dispensers as temperature, weather, time of day, etc. don't
seem to give any indication that a fuel up will result in a shower or
not. (I've learned to wear rubber gloves and stand to one side of the
filler tube.)

The fuel gauge is also sufficiently imprecise that I really can only
guess at what a "fill up" might be. When I filled a couple of days
ago, I guessed about 150 gal... but it took 180.

The serious caution about filling with both caps off is that the
dispenser nozzles cut off based on a back pressure sensor triggered
by fuel bubbling up in the fill-tube. No back pressure, no cut off.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Hurricane UT



On Oct 9, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Ron Thompson wrote:

> Thanks Pete, I can always count on you to have a definitive and
> well understood answer.
>
> You are right about close monitoring of the fuel level and the
> proper cutoff of the pump. Actually you need ot have someone on
> the other side monitoring the other inlet if possible. So far
> since I started opening both inlets I have had no splash back.
>
> Ron Thompson
> 1995 WLWB 42'
>
>
> Pete Masterson
> wrote: One 300 gallon tank, two
> inlets. That way you don't have to turn the
> coach around. Opening both inlets will allow air to escape, but you
> have to watch out that the pump actually turns off when you're full
> or you'll just pump through from one side to the other....
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> aeonix1@...
> On the road at Hurricane UT (Zion NP)
>
> On Oct 7, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Ron Thompson wrote:
>
>> Hey, I have a question here about the fuel tanks. I have a 1995 WL
>> Wide body with 300 gallon capacity. The first time I fueled up, I
>> got a backup bath. The next time I filled up, since there are Fuel
>> Inlets on both sides I opened them both up and never got a back
>> up. Was that coincidence or are those two inlets going into the
>> same 300 gallon tank.



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[chet geist]

Jon,

On my 1981 there is a 1/4 plastic tube from a fitting on top of the tank
that vents the air and keeps tank from burping. It comes out of the tank
right next to the fuel gauge sending unit and drops down the front of the
tank. On birds that are 25 to 30 years old the plastic tubing may have been
lost or gone bad. It's worth a peek to see if yours is still there and in
good shape.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

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[chet geist]



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[randymerri@...]

Hey Macy,

Do the engineers at Complete Coach Works have any solutions to the fuel
splash back problem nearly every Wanderlodge owner encounters? I know we'd all
appreciate a solution and you'd probably get a standing ovation at RIV if you
come up with something simple. I know it is frustrating to have 18 wheelers
waiting for me to fill a 300 gallon tank when I can only run the nozzle at slow
to medium speed.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.


Randy Merrill
1993 40' WLWB
Ocala, Fl



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[Don Bradner]

VMSpc is software that monitors diesel engines, along with the hardware
interface between the engine computer and a laptop. It is a silverleaf product,
http://www.silverleafelectronics.com

The engine computer outputs fuel flow and also mileage (from the transmission
computer), so one of the gauges in the many that VMSpc has is a tank monitor.
You reset it at each fill, and it shows three things - miles to empty, gallons
remaining, and MPG - the latter can be for the tank, or short-term. Since other
VMSpc gauges cover short-term mileage I run it for the tankful.

Except when there's a lot of generator usage I find that what the monitor tells
me (subtracting gallons-to-empty from capacity) is very close to what will
happen when I fill up.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Posting by satellite from the 8000 ft level at Raton Pass on the Colorado/NM
border

On 10/9/2007 at 9:29 AM Ron Thompson wrote:

>Don,
>
>Dumb question but can you explain what a VMSpc with a tank monitor is?
>And where can I get one.
>
>Ron Thompson
>95 WLWB 42'
>
>
>Don Bradner wrote:
> Running VMSpc with a tank monitor I know within just a few gallons
>what I will be taking when I fill. The problem is that I only have one
>fill, and it is on the opposite side from the metering pump on 99% of all
>fuel islands. Using the satellite pump you can't see how many gallons you
>have pumped. I don't really like to leave the nozzle unattended, but that
>has not yet been a concern. I watch the meter side until I'm about 20
>gallons shy of expected full, then hurry around and set the nozzle on a
>lower setting. Have never experienced splashback that way.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Posting by satellite from Falcon, Colorado (East of Colorado Springs)
> Heading out today for Raton Pass