Why the rebuilds?

[ronmarabito2002]

Chuck: The ULSD definitely increases wear. My last oil test revealed
an increase wear with tin. I was not running a treatment at the time.
I am now using a good fuel treatment and hope that solves the
problem. It might based upon information from my filter company experts.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler"
wrote:
>
> I do not know the real long term effects of ULSD. My local CAT
dealer says
> that there should be no problem if the engine is in good shape. I'm
waiting
> to see. I remember all the talk of failure when the unleaded fuels were
> introduced in the 1970s. I was running a 66 ford pickup pretty hard
pulling
> a 4 horse trailer between Tehachapi and Santa Anita and was
concerned. That
> truck finally broke a timing chain in 1989 with 346,000+ miles on
it. It
> went the last 266,000 miles on unleaded.
>
> I have 200,000+ miles on this 3208 and it is using some oil so a
rebuild in
> probably in the future with or without ULSD. The last 33,000 miles have
> been with ULSD and so far so good. Time will tell....
>
> - Chuck Wheeler-
> FC 31SB Fort Worth TX
>
>
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> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bubblerboy64
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:41 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Why the rebuilds?
>
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>
> Very good point Chuck. That perhaps explains at least partly why
> diesels work well in the vehicles in which they work well. Over the
> road trucks and buses and taxi cabs to mention a few. I have heard
> some mention that there are down sides to the low sulpher fuels.
> Perhaps you or others might speak to that subject. I really don't
> know a thing about diesel fuel. Might be time to learn a bit on that
> subject since the credit card shows I am buying my share. Aw the ole
> first of the month bills.
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
>
> >
> > One thing that leads to the shorter life of diesels in a RV is the
> sulfur in
> > the fuel. During the combustion cycle there is some sulfuric acid
> produced.
> > Then the RV is parked for extended periods of time and condensation
> develops
> > because of temperature changes. Now you have sulfuric acid and H2O
> eating
> > at your bearings and anything else that the oil is in contact
> with. OTR
> > rigs due not usually have this problem because they are run daily
> for hours
> > and the very little condensation is formed and what is is
> evaporated due to
> > the heat. This is one of the reasons that it is recommended to
> change the
> > oil before any extended storage. This may be one benefit of ULSD,
> but I
> > still have the oil changed if I know that our BB will not be
> driven for
> > awhile.
> > - Chuck Wheeler-
> > FC 31SB Fort Worth TX
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bubblerboy64
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:03 AM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Why the rebuilds?
> >
> >
> >
> > I think others have covered this subject very well and I likely
> don't
> > have much factual information to add (none actually)only to say I
> > feel the pain with this thread. I have owned a bunch of diesel
> > engined vehicles and contrary to what seems to be a commonly held
> > believe diesels are not superior to gas engines. I held that option
> > and I now feel they are, shall we say necessary. Possibly necessary
> > evils might even be applied. Evil because when they are working
> well
> > they are wonderful but when they fail they are costly creatures to
> > fix. My experience has been that the fuel savings are almost always
> > balanced by increase repair and maintenance expenses. But what can
> be
> > done? These big vehicles require diesel engines. Others have
> > suggested what can be done to reduce the chances of failures but
> they
> > happen. Some of the best advice I was given was to set a side funds
> > for the expected (not unexpected) repairs and I am trying to do two
> > things. Save that money and mentally prepare myself so that I am
> not
> > an emotional wreck when it happens. We know a couple things. The
> > 3208 Cat is not the finest engine ever built. We also know not to
> > overheat any engine, and that good maintenance is mandatory. Most
> > all the other to does and not to does have been covered. My point
> is
> > simple it you "get into" this you have to have realistic
> > expectations. I paid approximately 20K for my BB. I have my fingers
> > crossed but I know that if the generator, engine and trans all
> failed
> > I'd have every bite the price of the MH in repairs and likely a lot
> > more. This is the reality of playing the game we play. Would buying
> > a new "cheap" MH for lets say $150K give you better service and
> make
> > a guy "feel" better. For some obviously it would. In the end you
> > pays your money and you takes your chances. Better to know the
> truth
> > before you stick your feet into the water of ole BB MH's. That all
> > being said. I wish all of us the best of possible luck and enjoy
> the
> > freedom and fun and try to be realistic and not worry about the
> > negatives. Nothing comes cheap and especially not MH's and boats.
> >
> > John Heckman
> > central Pa
> > 1973 FC converted to Cat 3208
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com, "whistles_n_bells"
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hope you don't mind the post - I'm still a Wannabe - but
> > > > fortunate enough to still have the opportunity to "run."
> > >
> > > Joe/Pappy,
> > >
> > > Mind the post? Shoot I always pay attention to the voice of
> > > experience. Post away. Your professional driving experiences help
> > us
> > > all be better owner/operators. That's what we're here for - to
> > learn
> > > from one another.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com, "whistles_n_bells"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I suppose one could compare the operation of a bus type
> > motorhome -
> > > > Wanderlodge, Newell, Prevost - with the operation of our own
> > bodies.
> > > > It takes good preventive maintenance and "smart running" and the
> > > > obligatory physicals.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If we sit around for a bit, then try to go out and run or do
> some
> > > > strenuous exercise without a good warm-up period, we are going
> > to be
> > > > huffing and puffing for a while - hopefully not causing any
> > damage.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All the working systems in the Birds - and some SOBs - are
> > complex
> > > > and well engineered. Constant care is mandatory if longevity is
> > to be
> > > > achieved. I have a neighbor who owns an Alpine (Western RV)
> with
> > a 400
> > > > HP Cummins and Allison six-speed; however, it sits for months
> at
> > a time
> > > > - it receives little "exercise" It's veins (waters
> > > > lines) suffer sitting idle, as do it's "lungs" (air systems
> > > > including dryer) also do not get to flex - fittings, seals,
> plugs
> > > > etc. Of course it's heart - that CAT, DD or Cummins - will
> suffer
> > a
> > > > form of congestive heart failure from not running frequently.
> > Yes, tires
> > > > need to flex continuously for a long and productive life. The
> man
> > has
> > > > continuous problems with his coach - he doesn't run it enough. I
> > > > have suggested that he take it out on the Interstate and run it
> > for an
> > > > hour once a week to let it stretch it's legs and breath.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > During my many years OTR, taking care of my equipment was (is)
> > > > paramount. Although I did not (do not) perform major maintenance
> > > > functions, being aware of the condition of my equipment is part
> of
> > > > survival on the road. I was fortunate that I started fleet
> > driving in
> > > > the fifties, we did not have cell phones, CB radios and the
> other
> > > > conveniences of communication that we enjoy today. When I left a
> > > > terminal on the start of a 400 mile trip, that coach had to be
> > > > up-to-snuff. It's no fun being broken down with 4o or so
> > passengers
> > > > in the middle of nowhere - particularly in cold weather. As
> > drivers,
> > > > we were sure to write-up mechanical discrepancies - and
> followed-
> > up
> > > > on corrective action by our mechanics. Those habits stuck. The
> > buses I
> > > > drive typically go anywhere from 300,000 to 500,000 miles
> between
> > > > rebuilds on the M11 Cummins - if they are run according to
> book,
> > and
> > > > depending upon the experience level of the drivers - and their
> > > > compliance with operating procedures - and competent mechanics.
> We
> > > > do a lot of mountain driving, more two-lane roads than
> > Interstates.
> > > > Keeps me young.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Granted, there are so many variables that come into play with
> > each coach
> > > > - location, type of driving conditions (flat running,
> mountains),
> > > > weather, climate, storage, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope you don't mind the post - I'm still a Wannabe - but
> > > > fortunate enough to still have the opportunity to "run."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> > > > St. George, UT
> > > > (Wannabe)
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