Installing new guage.

[Leroy Eckert]

Rob, I don't know for certain. I believe it is. The part numbers on the gauge
are 54438 and a BB sticker with PN 3865334.
If your gauge has a raised black with silver trim bezel, has a black face with
indices 100-170-200-230-320 F in white and 40-70-90-110-160 C in yellow with a
yellow T logo and on the right Temp it probably is the same. $36.20 from BB. You
could always remove 5 screws in the panel pull it back and look on the housing
of the gauge for the numbers to be certain.

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Robinson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.


Leroy is the engine oil temp guage you ordered for you 90 the same for the
94?

On 04/06/07, Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> I will let you know when I get the gauges. I think I'll go and buy one
> of those lighted magnifying lamps and see if I can take the old ones apart
> and try to determine why they are reading improperly. Grounds are good and
> the sendors are new.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
> Leroy,
>
> I would be interested in your gage replacement project. The indexing
> was different on the last gage, that I received and the sensor needed
> to be changed to get a proper reading , Also the bezel is different
> it is a flat solid black bezel, without the Silver trim, I have
> changed the bezels , but that breaks the gage seal, no trouble with
> fogging of the gage so far.......
> Keep us informed.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Leroy Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex,
> Bluebird and other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil
> Temperature gauge 54438 Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to be in
> stock at Bluebird today. I will see if the indexing is the same when
> I receive it. According to Teleflex this and other Teleflex gauges
> Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no longer available
> if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey gauges
> now while they are available.
> > Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to rebuild
> the original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking
> original. In the long term that may be difficult to do.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: pattypape
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
> >
> > The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> > they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would read
> > really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> > replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> > I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> > Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to about
> > 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> jim riordan
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> > anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> > different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type guage
> it
> > was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal
> (great
> > help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got from
> > earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> > improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than
> 100,
> > top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge
> will
> > provide more accurate readings in the operational range than the
> old
> > one. I hope!
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim RIordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl.
> > > pattypape wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and rear
> > axle
> > > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> > >
> > > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner, part
> > > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It has
> > > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will match
> the
> > > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > >
> > > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> jim riordan
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB and
> it is
> > > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a
> new
> > temp
> > > sending switch also...
> > > >
> > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > > Stuart, Fl.
> > > >
> > > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > > Hi Art:
> > > >
> > > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > > >
> > > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If the
> > lower
> > > dash
> > > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front
> edge
> > and
> > > slip
> > > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on the
> left
> > > side of
> > > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a
> screw
> > that
> > > has to
> > > > come out.
> > > >
> > > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb
> mic
> > from
> > > the
> > > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic
> holder.
> > > Now the
> > > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has
> been
> > > removed it
> > > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been out
> > > before then
> > > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right side
> of
> > > the upper
> > > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un
> screw
> > the
> > > far
> > > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower dash,
> > after
> > > the
> > > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that
> needs to
> > > come out
> > > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to
> tilt
> > > forward.
> > > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough to
> > replace
> > > the
> > > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress **CAUTION**
> > enough
> > > on this.
> > > >
> > > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the lamps
> from
> > > the other
> > > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > > >
> > > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and behind
> both
> > > panels.
> > > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those panels,
> > they
> > > are shot
> > > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for
> screws
> > and
> > > such.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck
> > > >
> > > > Safe travels,
> > > >
> > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > 84FC35
> > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the fellow
> I
> > > bought
> > > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the
> verticle
> > > part of
> > > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any advise
> will
> > be
> > > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Art Weatherly
> > > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > > >'85 PT36
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life,
> your
> > > story.
> > > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> > Yahoo! Games.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

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[pattypape]

Leroy,

This is my memory talking, (you know what that means????)
The BB part numbers old and new are the same , but the gage and the
scaleing of temp numbers are different, and the sensor is also
different.

Bill 88 FC Michigan


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Rob, I don't know for certain. I believe it is. The part numbers
on the gauge are 54438 and a BB sticker with PN 3865334.
> If your gauge has a raised black with silver trim bezel, has a
black face with indices 100-170-200-230-320 F in white and 40-70-90-
110-160 C in yellow with a yellow T logo and on the right Temp it
probably is the same. $36.20 from BB. You could always remove 5
screws in the panel pull it back and look on the housing of the gauge
for the numbers to be certain.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Robinson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
> Leroy is the engine oil temp guage you ordered for you 90 the
same for the
> 94?
>
> On 04/06/07, Leroy Eckert wrote:
> >
> > I will let you know when I get the gauges. I think I'll go and
buy one
> > of those lighted magnifying lamps and see if I can take the old
ones apart
> > and try to determine why they are reading improperly. Grounds
are good and
> > the sendors are new.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: pattypape
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:36 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
> >
> > Leroy,
> >
> > I would be interested in your gage replacement project. The
indexing
> > was different on the last gage, that I received and the sensor
needed
> > to be changed to get a proper reading , Also the bezel is
different
> > it is a flat solid black bezel, without the Silver trim, I have
> > changed the bezels , but that breaks the gage seal, no trouble
with
> > fogging of the gage so far.......
> > Keep us informed.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Leroy Eckert"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex,
> > Bluebird and other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil
> > Temperature gauge 54438 Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to
be in
> > stock at Bluebird today. I will see if the indexing is the same
when
> > I receive it. According to Teleflex this and other Teleflex
gauges
> > Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no longer
available
> > if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges
> > now while they are available.
> > > Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to
rebuild
> > the original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking
> > original. In the long term that may be difficult to do.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: pattypape
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
> > >
> > > The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> > > they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would
read
> > > really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> > > replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> > > I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> > > Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to
about
> > > 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > jim riordan
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> > > anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> > > different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type
guage
> > it
> > > was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal
> > (great
> > > help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got
from
> > > earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> > > improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than
> > 100,
> > > top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge
> > will
> > > provide more accurate readings in the operational range than
the
> > old
> > > one. I hope!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim RIordan
> > > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > > Stuart, Fl.
> > > > pattypape wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > >
> > > > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and
rear
> > > axle
> > > > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> > > >
> > > > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner,
part
> > > > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It
has
> > > > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will
match
> > the
> > > > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> > > >
> > > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > jim riordan
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB
and
> > it is
> > > > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a
> > new
> > > temp
> > > > sending switch also...
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > > > Stuart, Fl.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > > > Hi Art:
> > > > >
> > > > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > > > >
> > > > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If
the
> > > lower
> > > > dash
> > > > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front
> > edge
> > > and
> > > > slip
> > > > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on
the
> > left
> > > > side of
> > > > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a
> > screw
> > > that
> > > > has to
> > > > > come out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb
> > mic
> > > from
> > > > the
> > > > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic
> > holder.
> > > > Now the
> > > > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has
> > been
> > > > removed it
> > > > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been
out
> > > > before then
> > > > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right
side
> > of
> > > > the upper
> > > > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un
> > screw
> > > the
> > > > far
> > > > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower
dash,
> > > after
> > > > the
> > > > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that
> > needs to
> > > > come out
> > > > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to
> > tilt
> > > > forward.
> > > > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough
to
> > > replace
> > > > the
> > > > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress
**CAUTION**
> > > enough
> > > > on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the
lamps
> > from
> > > > the other
> > > > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and
behind
> > both
> > > > panels.
> > > > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those
panels,
> > > they
> > > > are shot
> > > > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for
> > screws
> > > and
> > > > such.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck
> > > > >
> > > > > Safe travels,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > > 84FC35
> > > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > > >
> > > > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the
fellow
> > I
> > > > bought
> > > > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the
> > verticle
> > > > part of
> > > > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any
advise
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Art Weatherly
> > > > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > > > >'85 PT36
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their
life,
> > your
> > > > story.
> > > > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews
at
> > > Yahoo! Games.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Leroy Eckert]

I purchased both as there is not need to change one without the other not
knowing the age of either. I'll let you know what I see in a couple of days when
they arrive. I'm sure that will be interesting. I don't mind the scaleing being
different but the colors and bezel I would like to be the same.
I spent quite a bit of time on the Internet Sunday snooping and only found
Teleflex International Red. They look very similar except the color is Red
versus yellow and the bezel is flatter.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: pattypape
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.



Leroy,

This is my memory talking, (you know what that means????)
The BB part numbers old and new are the same , but the gage and the
scaleing of temp numbers are different, and the sensor is also
different.

Bill 88 FC Michigan

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Rob, I don't know for certain. I believe it is. The part numbers
on the gauge are 54438 and a BB sticker with PN 3865334.
> If your gauge has a raised black with silver trim bezel, has a
black face with indices 100-170-200-230-320 F in white and 40-70-90-
110-160 C in yellow with a yellow T logo and on the right Temp it
probably is the same. $36.20 from BB. You could always remove 5
screws in the panel pull it back and look on the housing of the gauge
for the numbers to be certain.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Robinson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
> Leroy is the engine oil temp guage you ordered for you 90 the
same for the
> 94?
>
> On 04/06/07, Leroy Eckert wrote:
> >
> > I will let you know when I get the gauges. I think I'll go and
buy one
> > of those lighted magnifying lamps and see if I can take the old
ones apart
> > and try to determine why they are reading improperly. Grounds
are good and
> > the sendors are new.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: pattypape
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:36 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
> >
> > Leroy,
> >
> > I would be interested in your gage replacement project. The
indexing
> > was different on the last gage, that I received and the sensor
needed
> > to be changed to get a proper reading , Also the bezel is
different
> > it is a flat solid black bezel, without the Silver trim, I have
> > changed the bezels , but that breaks the gage seal, no trouble
with
> > fogging of the gage so far.......
> > Keep us informed.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Leroy Eckert"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex,
> > Bluebird and other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil
> > Temperature gauge 54438 Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to
be in
> > stock at Bluebird today. I will see if the indexing is the same
when
> > I receive it. According to Teleflex this and other Teleflex
gauges
> > Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no longer
available
> > if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges
> > now while they are available.
> > > Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to
rebuild
> > the original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking
> > original. In the long term that may be difficult to do.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: pattypape
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
> > >
> > > The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> > > they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would
read
> > > really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> > > replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> > > I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> > > Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to
about
> > > 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > jim riordan
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> > > anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> > > different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type
guage
> > it
> > > was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal
> > (great
> > > help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got
from
> > > earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> > > improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than
> > 100,
> > > top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge
> > will
> > > provide more accurate readings in the operational range than
the
> > old
> > > one. I hope!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim RIordan
> > > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > > Stuart, Fl.
> > > > pattypape wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > >
> > > > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and
rear
> > > axle
> > > > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> > > >
> > > > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner,
part
> > > > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It
has
> > > > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will
match
> > the
> > > > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> > > >
> > > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > jim riordan
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB
and
> > it is
> > > > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a
> > new
> > > temp
> > > > sending switch also...
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > > > Stuart, Fl.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > > > Hi Art:
> > > > >
> > > > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > > > >
> > > > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If
the
> > > lower
> > > > dash
> > > > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front
> > edge
> > > and
> > > > slip
> > > > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on
the
> > left
> > > > side of
> > > > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a
> > screw
> > > that
> > > > has to
> > > > > come out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb
> > mic
> > > from
> > > > the
> > > > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic
> > holder.
> > > > Now the
> > > > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has
> > been
> > > > removed it
> > > > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been
out
> > > > before then
> > > > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right
side
> > of
> > > > the upper
> > > > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un
> > screw
> > > the
> > > > far
> > > > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower
dash,
> > > after
> > > > the
> > > > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that
> > needs to
> > > > come out
> > > > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to
> > tilt
> > > > forward.
> > > > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough
to
> > > replace
> > > > the
> > > > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress
**CAUTION**
> > > enough
> > > > on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the
lamps
> > from
> > > > the other
> > > > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and
behind
> > both
> > > > panels.
> > > > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those
panels,
> > > they
> > > > are shot
> > > > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for
> > screws
> > > and
> > > > such.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck
> > > > >
> > > > > Safe travels,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > > 84FC35
> > > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > > >
> > > > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the
fellow
> > I
> > > > bought
> > > > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the
> > verticle
> > > > part of
> > > > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any
advise
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Art Weatherly
> > > > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > > > >'85 PT36
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their
life,
> > your
> > > > story.
> > > > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews
at
> > > Yahoo! Games.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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[jim riordan]

Leroy,

I just replaced many flaky guages on my coach. I got the new guage from BB.
the indexing was different and better. I called BB (earl) to get the correct
(new) sending unit he sent me the wrong one!an 028 I then called teleflex Joe
Federsal and spoke to him he sent the correct one an 032, i called earl and told
him that he needed to check with Teleflex about stocking the correct sending
unit for this guage. The guage is better because it is more presise than the old
one.
Jim Riordan
88 WBWL XXV

Leroy Eckert wrote:
Thanks Howard:
I'll give them a call.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: truitt44@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.

Leroy,
Contact Chuck at APT Instruments in Bloomington, Mn. about servicing Teleflex
gauges 952-881-7095.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/06/04 Mon AM 09:59:05 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
> I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex, Bluebird and
other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil Temperature gauge 54438
Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to be in stock at Bluebird today. I will see
if the indexing is the same when I receive it. According to Teleflex this and
other Teleflex gauges Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no
longer available if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges now while they are available.
> Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to rebuild the
original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking original. In the long
term that may be difficult to do.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
>
> The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would read
> really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to about
> 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type guage it
> was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal (great
> help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got from
> earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than 100,
> top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge will
> provide more accurate readings in the operational range than the old
> one. I hope!
> >
> >
> > Jim RIordan
> > 88 WBWL XXV
> > Stuart, Fl.
> > pattypape wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and rear
> axle
> > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> >
> > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner, part
> > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It has
> > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will match the
> > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB and it is
> > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a new
> temp
> > sending switch also...
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl.
> > >
> > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > Hi Art:
> > >
> > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > >
> > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If the
> lower
> > dash
> > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front edge
> and
> > slip
> > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on the left
> > side of
> > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a screw
> that
> > has to
> > > come out.
> > >
> > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb mic
> from
> > the
> > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic holder.
> > Now the
> > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has been
> > removed it
> > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been out
> > before then
> > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right side of
> > the upper
> > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un screw
> the
> > far
> > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower dash,
> after
> > the
> > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that needs to
> > come out
> > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to tilt
> > forward.
> > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough to
> replace
> > the
> > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress **CAUTION**
> enough
> > on this.
> > >
> > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the lamps from
> > the other
> > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > >
> > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and behind both
> > panels.
> > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those panels,
> they
> > are shot
> > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for screws
> and
> > such.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the fellow I
> > bought
> > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the verticle
> > part of
> > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any advise will
> be
> > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Art Weatherly
> > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > >'85 PT36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
> > story.
> > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> Yahoo! Games.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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[truitt44@...>]

Troy and Leroy,
When you go to gaugeguys dot com it will take you to APT instruments
Internationals home page that I posted information on previously.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: "Troy Tikalsky"
> Date: 2007/06/04 Mon AM 11:35:17 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
> Might try these guys http://www.gaugeguys.com/
> A couple of guys running the business from a converted garage, not fancy but
they were friendly and knowledgeable.
>
> Troy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leroy Eckert
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
>
> I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex, Bluebird and
other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil Temperature gauge 54438
Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to be in stock at Bluebird today. I will see
if the indexing is the same when I receive it. According to Teleflex this and
other Teleflex gauges Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no
longer available if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges now while they are available.
> Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to rebuild the
original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking original. In the long
term that may be difficult to do.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
> Jim,
>
> Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
>
> The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would read
> really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to about
> 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type guage it
> was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal (great
> help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got from
> earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than 100,
> top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge will
> provide more accurate readings in the operational range than the old
> one. I hope!
> >
> >
> > Jim RIordan
> > 88 WBWL XXV
> > Stuart, Fl.
> > pattypape wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and rear
> axle
> > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> >
> > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner, part
> > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It has
> > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will match the
> > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB and it is
> > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a new
> temp
> > sending switch also...
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl.
> > >
> > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > Hi Art:
> > >
> > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > >
> > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If the
> lower
> > dash
> > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front edge
> and
> > slip
> > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on the left
> > side of
> > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a screw
> that
> > has to
> > > come out.
> > >
> > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb mic
> from
> > the
> > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic holder.
> > Now the
> > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has been
> > removed it
> > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been out
> > before then
> > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right side of
> > the upper
> > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un screw
> the
> > far
> > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower dash,
> after
> > the
> > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that needs to
> > come out
> > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to tilt
> > forward.
> > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough to
> replace
> > the
> > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress **CAUTION**
> enough
> > on this.
> > >
> > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the lamps from
> > the other
> > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > >
> > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and behind both
> > panels.
> > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those panels,
> they
> > are shot
> > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for screws
> and
> > such.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the fellow I
> > bought
> > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the verticle
> > part of
> > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any advise will
> be
> > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Art Weatherly
> > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > >'85 PT36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
> > story.
> > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> Yahoo! Games.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Howard: They said they cannot get parts for these gauges.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: truitt44@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.


Leroy,
Contact Chuck at APT Instruments in Bloomington, Mn. about servicing Teleflex
gauges 952-881-7095.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/06/04 Mon AM 09:59:05 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
> I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex, Bluebird and
other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil Temperature gauge 54438
Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to be in stock at Bluebird today. I will see
if the indexing is the same when I receive it. According to Teleflex this and
other Teleflex gauges Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no
longer available if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges now while they are available.
> Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to rebuild the
original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking original. In the long
term that may be difficult to do.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
>
> The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would read
> really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to about
> 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type guage it
> was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal (great
> help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got from
> earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than 100,
> top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge will
> provide more accurate readings in the operational range than the old
> one. I hope!
> >
> >
> > Jim RIordan
> > 88 WBWL XXV
> > Stuart, Fl.
> > pattypape wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and rear
> axle
> > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> >
> > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner, part
> > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It has
> > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will match the
> > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB and it is
> > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a new
> temp
> > sending switch also...
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl.
> > >
> > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > Hi Art:
> > >
> > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > >
> > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If the
> lower
> > dash
> > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front edge
> and
> > slip
> > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on the left
> > side of
> > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a screw
> that
> > has to
> > > come out.
> > >
> > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb mic
> from
> > the
> > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic holder.
> > Now the
> > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has been
> > removed it
> > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been out
> > before then
> > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right side of
> > the upper
> > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un screw
> the
> > far
> > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower dash,
> after
> > the
> > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that needs to
> > come out
> > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to tilt
> > forward.
> > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough to
> replace
> > the
> > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress **CAUTION**
> enough
> > on this.
> > >
> > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the lamps from
> > the other
> > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > >
> > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and behind both
> > panels.
> > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those panels,
> they
> > are shot
> > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for screws
> and
> > such.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the fellow I
> > bought
> > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the verticle
> > part of
> > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any advise will
> be
> > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Art Weatherly
> > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > >'85 PT36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
> > story.
> > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> Yahoo! Games.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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[Leroy Eckert]

Thanks Jim. I ordered a sender and oil temp gauge, a genset oil pressure gauge,
and a genset water temp gauge. I will see what arrives and let you know. If
it's like yesterdays delivery, there will not be anything in the box. lol

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: jim riordan
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.


Leroy,

I just replaced many flaky guages on my coach. I got the new guage from BB.
the indexing was different and better. I called BB (earl) to get the correct
(new) sending unit he sent me the wrong one!an 028 I then called teleflex Joe
Federsal and spoke to him he sent the correct one an 032, i called earl and told
him that he needed to check with Teleflex about stocking the correct sending
unit for this guage. The guage is better because it is more presise than the old
one.
Jim Riordan
88 WBWL XXV

Leroy Eckert wrote:
Thanks Howard:
I'll give them a call.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: truitt44@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.

Leroy,
Contact Chuck at APT Instruments in Bloomington, Mn. about servicing Teleflex
gauges 952-881-7095.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/06/04 Mon AM 09:59:05 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
> I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex, Bluebird and
other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil Temperature gauge 54438
Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to be in stock at Bluebird today. I will see
if the indexing is the same when I receive it. According to Teleflex this and
other Teleflex gauges Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no
longer available if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges now while they are available.
> Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to rebuild the
original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking original. In the long
term that may be difficult to do.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
>
> The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would read
> really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to about
> 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type guage it
> was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal (great
> help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got from
> earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than 100,
> top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge will
> provide more accurate readings in the operational range than the old
> one. I hope!
> >
> >
> > Jim RIordan
> > 88 WBWL XXV
> > Stuart, Fl.
> > pattypape wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and rear
> axle
> > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> >
> > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner, part
> > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It has
> > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will match the
> > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB and it is
> > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a new
> temp
> > sending switch also...
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl.
> > >
> > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > Hi Art:
> > >
> > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > >
> > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If the
> lower
> > dash
> > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front edge
> and
> > slip
> > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on the left
> > side of
> > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a screw
> that
> > has to
> > > come out.
> > >
> > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb mic
> from
> > the
> > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic holder.
> > Now the
> > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has been
> > removed it
> > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been out
> > before then
> > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right side of
> > the upper
> > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un screw
> the
> > far
> > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower dash,
> after
> > the
> > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that needs to
> > come out
> > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to tilt
> > forward.
> > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough to
> replace
> > the
> > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress **CAUTION**
> enough
> > on this.
> > >
> > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the lamps from
> > the other
> > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > >
> > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and behind both
> > panels.
> > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those panels,
> they
> > are shot
> > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for screws
> and
> > such.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the fellow I
> > bought
> > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the verticle
> > part of
> > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any advise will
> be
> > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Art Weatherly
> > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > >'85 PT36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
> > story.
> > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> Yahoo! Games.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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[Leroy Eckert]

Ok. Jim in FL and Bill in MI
I received the gauges from BB. The engine oil temp gauge is Teleflex pn 9153278
and is a substitute for the original gauge. The index begins with 140 and the
bezel is different. I believe the original bezel can be placed on this gauge but
I have decided to paint the elevated ring silver with a paint stick. The genset
water temp gauge has the same index (from memory I will verify this w/e) and the
same bezel as the engine oil temp gauge. The genset oil pressure gauge has the
same index and the same bezel as the original gauge. Go figure that out. All of
them have new Teleflex pn's. The faces are virtually identical.
BB sent me a tranny sender for the engine oil pressure gauge. I will put that on
the tranny.
Jim, based on your post should I call Teleflex and order the sender for the new
configuration gauge?
Thanks;
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: jim riordan
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.


Leroy,

I just replaced many flaky guages on my coach. I got the new guage from BB.
the indexing was different and better. I called BB (earl) to get the correct
(new) sending unit he sent me the wrong one!an 028 I then called teleflex Joe
Federsal and spoke to him he sent the correct one an 032, i called earl and told
him that he needed to check with Teleflex about stocking the correct sending
unit for this guage. The guage is better because it is more presise than the old
one.
Jim Riordan
88 WBWL XXV

Leroy Eckert wrote:
Thanks Howard:
I'll give them a call.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: truitt44@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.

Leroy,
Contact Chuck at APT Instruments in Bloomington, Mn. about servicing Teleflex
gauges 952-881-7095.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/06/04 Mon AM 09:59:05 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
> I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex, Bluebird and
other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil Temperature gauge 54438
Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to be in stock at Bluebird today. I will see
if the indexing is the same when I receive it. According to Teleflex this and
other Teleflex gauges Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no
longer available if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges now while they are available.
> Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to rebuild the
original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking original. In the long
term that may be difficult to do.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
>
> The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would read
> really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to about
> 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type guage it
> was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal (great
> help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got from
> earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than 100,
> top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge will
> provide more accurate readings in the operational range than the old
> one. I hope!
> >
> >
> > Jim RIordan
> > 88 WBWL XXV
> > Stuart, Fl.
> > pattypape wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and rear
> axle
> > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> >
> > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner, part
> > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It has
> > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will match the
> > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB and it is
> > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a new
> temp
> > sending switch also...
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl.
> > >
> > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > Hi Art:
> > >
> > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > >
> > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If the
> lower
> > dash
> > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front edge
> and
> > slip
> > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on the left
> > side of
> > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a screw
> that
> > has to
> > > come out.
> > >
> > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb mic
> from
> > the
> > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic holder.
> > Now the
> > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has been
> > removed it
> > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been out
> > before then
> > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right side of
> > the upper
> > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un screw
> the
> > far
> > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower dash,
> after
> > the
> > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that needs to
> > come out
> > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to tilt
> > forward.
> > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough to
> replace
> > the
> > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress **CAUTION**
> enough
> > on this.
> > >
> > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the lamps from
> > the other
> > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > >
> > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and behind both
> > panels.
> > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those panels,
> they
> > are shot
> > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for screws
> and
> > such.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the fellow I
> > bought
> > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the verticle
> > part of
> > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any advise will
> be
> > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Art Weatherly
> > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > >'85 PT36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
> > story.
> > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> Yahoo! Games.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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[jim riordan]

Leroy,

I got a new gauge same as yours, the sender for the old gauge is not indexed
the same. I got BB to send a new sender, it was wrong it was an 028. When
speaking to Joe Federsal at teleflex, he figured out that the sender that was
needed was an 032. I have not been out on the road since I installed but running
the coach at home base it seems that this is the correct sending unit for the
gauge. Temps seem correct. I told Earl that he had sent the wrong sending unit
and told him to check with Teleflex...The reading for the new gauge and the old
sending unit gauge read 40% higher...

Jim Riordan
88 WBWL XXV
Stuart, Fl.

Leroy Eckert wrote:
Ok. Jim in FL and Bill in MI
I received the gauges from BB. The engine oil temp gauge is Teleflex pn 9153278
and is a substitute for the original gauge. The index begins with 140 and the
bezel is different. I believe the original bezel can be placed on this gauge but
I have decided to paint the elevated ring silver with a paint stick. The genset
water temp gauge has the same index (from memory I will verify this w/e) and the
same bezel as the engine oil temp gauge. The genset oil pressure gauge has the
same index and the same bezel as the original gauge. Go figure that out. All of
them have new Teleflex pn's. The faces are virtually identical.
BB sent me a tranny sender for the engine oil pressure gauge. I will put that on
the tranny.
Jim, based on your post should I call Teleflex and order the sender for the new
configuration gauge?
Thanks;
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: jim riordan
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.

Leroy,

I just replaced many flaky guages on my coach. I got the new guage from BB. the
indexing was different and better. I called BB (earl) to get the correct (new)
sending unit he sent me the wrong one!an 028 I then called teleflex Joe Federsal
and spoke to him he sent the correct one an 032, i called earl and told him that
he needed to check with Teleflex about stocking the correct sending unit for
this guage. The guage is better because it is more presise than the old one.
Jim Riordan
88 WBWL XXV

Leroy Eckert wrote:
Thanks Howard:
I'll give them a call.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: truitt44@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Installing new guage.

Leroy,
Contact Chuck at APT Instruments in Bloomington, Mn. about servicing Teleflex
gauges 952-881-7095.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/06/04 Mon AM 09:59:05 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
> I want to pass along information I am receiving from Teleflex, Bluebird and
other suppliers I e-mailed over the weekend. Oil Temperature gauge 54438
Bluebird part number 3865334 shows to be in stock at Bluebird today. I will see
if the indexing is the same when I receive it. According to Teleflex this and
other Teleflex gauges Bluebird used are no longer in production and are no
longer available if Bluebird does not have inventory. I am replacing 3 flakey
gauges now while they are available.
> Steve Birtles and I are searching for an instrument shop to rebuild the
original gauges. I would like to keep my bird dash looking original. In the long
term that may be difficult to do.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Installing new guage.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Yep, that is the correct gage, Teleflex # 9153278.
>
> The BB# 54438 was still a good number, But
> they shipped the updated 9153278 gage , Then the temp would read
> really high, That is why there is a lot of confusion , when
> replacing gages, the sensor must be replaced also.
> I like the new scale for the oil temp,200 to 230
> Not so good for the rear axle because, it only heats up to about
> 140 to 170. lowest part of the gage.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The new guage is not a 54438 Earl said the did not maske it
> anymore. He sent me a "superseded" one the index numbers were
> different. He sent me a new sensor it was for the old type guage it
> was reading 40% high. I called Teleflex spoke to Joe Federsal (great
> help) he sent me the correct sensor for the guage that I got from
> earl, everything seems to work now. This new guage 9153278 is
> improved in that it first register point is at 140 rather than 100,
> top is 320 like the old one. the end result is that the gauge will
> provide more accurate readings in the operational range than the old
> one. I hope!
> >
> >
> > Jim RIordan
> > 88 WBWL XXV
> > Stuart, Fl.
> > pattypape wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I replaced both oil temp gages on our 88 FC ( 3208 oil and rear
> axle
> > temps) BB gage part number 54438, It is a Teleflex gage.
> >
> > If this is your gage the temp sensor is a Stewart-Warner, part
> > number 280EEF . It is available at truck parts stores. It has
> > several threaded bushings for all thread sizes, One will match the
> > original threads. BB did not have the correct sensor.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just replace my oil temp guage. I got it from BB and it is
> > indexed differently from the original one. I needed to get a new
> temp
> > sending switch also...
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl.
> > >
> > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
> > > Hi Art:
> > >
> > > **CAUTION** **CAUTION**
> > >
> > > Remove the 4 bottom out side covers of the lower dash. If the
> lower
> > dash
> > > has been out before then it should lift up from the front edge
> and
> > slip
> > > forward a little. If it has not been out before then on the left
> > side of
> > > the lower dash, under one of the blank covers, will be a screw
> that
> > has to
> > > come out.
> > >
> > > Now, with the lower dash panel slid forward, remove the cb mic
> from
> > the
> > > holder and take the long screw out that holds the cb mic holder.
> > Now the
> > > upper lower dash should be free on that side and if it has been
> > removed it
> > > will probably be free to tilt forward. If it has not been out
> > before then
> > > you need a looooong phillips screwdriver, hold the right side of
> > the upper
> > > lower dash out and reach in with the long phillips and un screw
> the
> > far
> > > left L bracket. In the bottom center of the upper lower dash,
> after
> > the
> > > lower panel is moved forward you should see a screw that needs to
> > come out
> > > as well. Now your upper lower dash panel should be free to tilt
> > forward.
> > > **CAUTION** Do NOT force it, if it won't come out enough to
> replace
> > the
> > > gauge, find what is holding it. I cannot stress **CAUTION**
> enough
> > on this.
> > >
> > > While your in there, remove the light sockets with the lamps from
> > the other
> > > gauges and clean or replace them.
> > >
> > > Your going to find a "rats nest" of wiring under and behind both
> > panels.
> > > Remember if you drill, spindle or pierce any of those panels,
> they
> > are shot
> > > and cannot be brought back. Use only holes provided for screws
> and
> > such.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 06:44 PM 5/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >I have recieved a new engine oil temp guage from the fellow I
> > bought
> > > >my coach from. Now to install it. The guage is on the verticle
> > part of
> > > >the dash panel.Has anyone been into that panel? Any advise will
> be
> > > >better than me going in there blind!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Art Weatherly
> > > >Riverside Ca.
> > > >'85 PT36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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