buyer beware

[bubblerboy64]

Tom, It's the nature of a first time purchaser to get less then what he
is hoping for most of the time, is it not? Learning the hard way and
from experience. We all tend to be somewhat predjudiced towards our
own. If that was not so you would not have purchased the coach you own
in the first place. It also is a lot easier to see the "outside" then
the "inside" for us inexperienced BB shoppers. Sex sells. What do the
real estate people tell all home sellers? Make it look good. What
sells cars and RV's quality? I don't think . So you see the beauty of
the "inside" of what you own but the shoppers can't be expected to see
that unless you show them. That's why we lurkers lurk to learn first and
formost so we don't get less then what we should. The sellers have to
be educators as well as good saleman. Its very difficult for guys like
me to shop these coaches. They are few and far between and to compare
one to the other is extremely difficult. I know sellers feel like they
are wasting time but how is a fellow to learn but not from you
previous owners. There is an awful lot to know before a guy pulls the
trigger on one of these vehicles. And that says nothing about the cost
of fuel and repairs for even the best of them. I tend to spend rather
freely but trust me before I make the leap ( if I make the leap)I am
going to have to be well educated. That is the nature of this and is
why the BB's don't change hands like Toyota's. John Heckman
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Meservey <snulli2@...>
wrote:
>
> As of late several members have bought coachs at what they thought was
a real bargin, only to find out many of the little hidden things that
one CANNOT see, and have them ended up with a "not so great bargin."
>
> Here I am sitting with a 33 foot 1981 BB, in excellant running and
material condition, offered up at a reasonable price twice on eBay, and
not one taker. Yes the exterier is going to need painting, but there is
NO rust, the bumpers are in tact, and there is a new replaced parts list
a mile long. I have documented everything I have done or had done. New
air bags on a '81 alone are worth alot, plus new air compressor,
electric dump valves etc. This forum is great for "lurkers" to find out
what is what, and get a chance to talk to people before they buy. Why
then are people still buying 'birds that have so many issues that they
ARE back yard projects. Beats me.
>
> Tom Meservey, USN (Ret)
> Ladson, SC
>
>
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> Messages In This Digest (9 Messages)
> 1a.
> Re: Blue Bird Clock From: g_man1146
> 2.
> Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift From: Gregory OConnor
> 3.
> Mobile Satellite Television System From: heeneyfwaolcom
> 4a.
> East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 From: Tom Warner
> 5a.
> Re: Lighter Switch Source??? From: Jack and Liz Pearce
> 6a.
> Some FC 31 questions From: ultrask824
> 6b.
> Re: Some FC 31 questions From: grizz46s
> 7a.
> 84FC35 ride height From: Keith Strehle
> 7b.
> Re: 84FC35 ride height From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
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> 1a.
> Re: Blue Bird Clock Posted by: "g_man1146" gman1146@... g_man1146 Thu
May 3, 2007 6:51 am (PST) Hi Bob,
>
> I saw that and wondered why the high price. Is an original worth so
> much more than a replica that can be easily made by anyone with basic
> high school shop woodworking skills and a $5.00 quartz movement? Just
> curious.
>
> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas" bloomas@
> wrote:
> >
> > Anybody looking for a blue bird wall clock there is one on ebay
> > Bob Loomas 1985 PT
> >
>
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> 2.
> Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift Posted by: "Gregory
OConnor" Gregoryoc@... gregoryoconnor Thu May 3, 2007 6:54 am (PST) Ryan
wrote:
> The "Check
> trans" switch, when flipped the opposite direction of what it was,
> caused the "check trans" light to flash the code: Three quick flashes,
> short pause, two more flashes, long pause, repeat. So, first digit 3,
> second 2 = code 32. Having read OBD diagnostic codes off of cars for
> years (many early systems would flash the "check engine" light in the
> same manner to show you the codes) this was second nature to me.
>
> So, I called Mr. Oliver's and Paul gave me a name & phone number, and
> that person found an Allison dealer close to me and also looked up the
> code info.
>
> As for the "J" solenoid, apparently it regulates shifting. This makes
> sense given that the light only comes on after shifting. ~$200 + 4-5
> hours labor to replace I'm told. I'll find out for sure in the
> morning, I suppose.
>
> -Ryan
> 86pt40 8V
> On the Road
>
> Ryan I reposted your informative post under a new thread because it
> holds good info. The thread subject name and "proper ID of bus" will
> help others find the info.
>
> I think it a good idea to remind the Allison Tec that the bus 1)has a
> batterybank 2)bank gets depleated during long storage 3)a very high
> amp alt. If the J solenoid is shifting properly, why change it. The
> code may be generated by some volt, wire, or connection problem that
> wont get replaced with the new internal part. The early warning light
> is proving to be a wolfcry. Dependent on; amps, ohms, volts, and all
> that 'lectric bull, the computer warning lights fail to warn of a
> problem with the warning.
>
> I had an Allison tranny shop do my first oil change filter service
> because I wanted a pro to have a look at old oil character and filter
> deposits and run the bus down the road. That invoice was around
> 500.00
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
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> 3.
> Mobile Satellite Television System Posted by: "heeneyfwaolcom"
heeneyfw@... heeneyfwaolcom Thu May 3, 2007 7:03 am (PST) I have a
Cruise TV DBS-30500 Mobile Satellite Dish system that I no
> longer need. It is free to a good home. We upgraded to a "In Motion"
> system several years ago and now we no longer need this system. It has
> been in storage since and although I can not guarantee, there is every
> reason to believe it will still work as good as it did when I removerd
> it from the coach. It comes with motorized dish, control box and
> wiring and manual. To use it you park the coach level, look up
> location in manual, dial in coordinates and it will find and lock on
> the satellite.
> If you would like to have this unit all you have to do is e-mail me
> directly. heeneyfw@... Give me your location and I will tell you
> your approx cost. Then you pay for shipping by FedEx and packaging.
>
> Frank & Rosemarie Heeney
> 1987 PT 40
> Where Eagles Dare
> Camden, MI
>
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> 4a.
> East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 Posted by: "Tom Warner"
warbucks@... warbucks13477 Thu May 3, 2007 7:15 am (PST) Some BB owners
are putting together a simple rally for June
> 8-10 on the East coast in Vernon,New York. Shane Fedeli and Tom
> Sorrentino have suggested June 8-10th. Its open as to what we do
> although we can install upgrades or go over troubleshooting, reading
> factory schematics etc on the coaches. Not looking for something to
> structured as far as meals etc that is open for discussion.
>
> Right now its open as to dry camping where we are close to tools etc
> in my shop or one of the local RV parks. The Turning stone casino RV
> park is beautiful but at $45/day a little pricy but I might be able
> to get that reduced http://turning-stone.com/lodging/rvpark/. There
> is also a RV park on Lake Oneida which is close at
> $28/night http://www.treasureislervpark.com/ Here is another RV
> park close by to me: http://www.aokcampgroundofnewyork.com/ rates are
$25/day
>
> Its also open as to whether you bring your families as there is a
> lot to do in this area. Casino has good floor shows, restaurants etc
> are excellent http://turning-stone.com/calendar/. The area also has
> some of the best old world italian restaurants closebye where you can
> get handmade italian food at noon for less then $5 including home
> made bread and of course lots of italian pastries. There are other
> restaurants close by such as large chinese buffets that are very
> reasonable. Also close by is the Oneida Silver company where we can
> get beautiful silver and stainless steel etc and very reduced prices.
> Send me a private message if you are interested.
>
> tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
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> 5a.
> Re: Lighter Switch Source??? Posted by: "Jack and Liz Pearce"
jlpearce@... homesicktexans_33009 Thu May 3, 2007 8:03 am (PST) Howdy,
Chet.
> Thanks for the reply and I apologize for being so late. Called BB
> parts and that's about the same price PLUS shipping and handling.
>
> Regards,
> Liz Pearce
> Regards,
> Jack and Liz Pearce
> Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
> Wintering In Hondo, TX - 2006
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist" chetg@ wrote:
> >
> > Go to the nearest wholesale commercial electrical supplier they
> should have
> > one. Don't forget your check book they are not cheap. The one I
> purchased
> > cost me $25.36.
> >
> > Chet Geist
> > 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack and Liz
> Pearce
> > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:06 PM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Lighter Switch Source???
> >
> >
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> 6a.
> Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "ultrask824" ultrask824@... ultrask824
Thu May 3, 2007 8:39 am (PST) I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31,
3208 NA. He says he cruises
> at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this.
> I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the
> larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm.
>
> The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking
> for some input or helpful info.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jonny
>
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> 6b.
> Re: Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "grizz46s" roggie@... grizz46s Thu
May 3, 2007 9:15 am (PST) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
"ultrask824" ultrask824@
> wrote:
> >
> > I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he
cruises
> > at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this.
> > I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the
> > larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm.
> >
> > The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking
> > for some input or helpful info.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jonny
> >
> I have an 81 fc with the 3208, and I would say that the cruise speed
is
> most likely accurate or at least close. The milage at that speed may
> be a bit of an exaggeration. I find to get that mileage I have to keep
> the speed closer to 55. As for the price, it is really difficult to
say
> without more info. Are the jacks the only system that is inoperative?
> There are a great many things that could cost far more to repair than
> the jacks. Look it over closely. I purchased a coach on the owner's
> word that the only thing wrong with the coach was the tach. When I got
> there to pick it up I found a coach that looked very good on the
> outside, but was very poor condition on the inside. Replacing
flooring,
> AC units, heaters, toilet, exhaust fans, and reupholstering, made a
> reasonable price no longer so reasonable. My advice, "Buyer be ware!"
> Check it over closely, if the majority of the systems are in good
> woring order 19K is a good price in my estimation, but be very careful
> or you can end up like me. I will be happy when I am done, but it has
> cost me far more than I had anticipated to get there.
> Gene
>
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> 7a.
> 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Keith Strehle" strehlekeith@...
strehlekeith Thu May 3, 2007 8:55 am (PST) How difficult is it to adjust
the ride height on my 84FC? What is the
> proper ride height and where do I measure from?
>
> Should I have someone do this for me?
>
> Keith
> 84FC35
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> 7b.
> Re: 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Ralph L. Fullenwider" rlf47@...
rlfrvtech Thu May 3, 2007 9:13 am (PST) Keith:
>
> There should be a blue folder in your blue box for the ridewell air
> suspension system. It will direct you on how to set the ride height
and you
> can do it yourself. It is time consuming though and best to make small
> adjustments, run the coach around the block then measure, then adjust
and
> go around the block and so forth. The front will be aprox 1 inch lower
in
> the front and that is normal.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 03:52 PM 5/3/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> >How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the
> >proper ride height and where do I measure from?
> >
> >Should I have someone do this for me?
> >
> >Keith
> >84FC35
> >
> >
> >
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