Engine & Tranny problems 2

[ronmarabito2002]

If the alarmstat doesn't solve or help the problem, I'll be definitely
looking at checking the radiator. Pretty majoy job however.

I would be more inclined to replace the core than rod it. I don't
want to take a chance that the transmission cooling core could leak
into the engine coolant. Just as soon have it all new.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, UT and moving to Moab today.


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> I wonder if humid air is a better heat sink then cool air?? Here in
> California it is a common maintenance practice to pull and rod a
> radiator. The Radiator size and dynamics are set up to maintain a
> given range of temp. Too big a radiator, too cool a running temp is
> also not desired. If your rad is blocked in core or compramized on
> surface 20 or 30% I would think it could prove the 10% heat issue you
> have.???? I think pulling the radiator for rodding and inspection
> would never be a $waste even if it does not prove to be the cause of
> your heat issue
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Basically the same as mine. I may stop in Albuquerque on the way
> back
> > home and pick up another alarmstat and try that. It does work, but
> > allows the temp to get to 200 before it kicks in. It then takes me
> > back to roughly 180 degrees and goes through the cycle again.
> > However, when pulling a grade, it allows the water temp to get to
> 210
> > and I don't like that.
> >
> > Your test is on pretty flat ground compared to what we are in
> > presently. Like I said, the oil temp reached 250 coming west out of
> > Durango, CO yesterday and it is not hot outside. Pretty good grade
> > but still not marked in the Western Mountain Directory.
> >
> > Another thought is that I could be experiencing more blow-by and
> thus
> > heating the oil more although that would probably cause me to blow
> oil
> > out the slobber tubes, which it does not.
> >
> > Transmission temps are just fine. Could be that I have a bad oil
> > temp. gauge or sending unit.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and 7000 ft. elevation.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable according
> to
> > my literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the flat
> > until I made a single change. While I haven't been able to pull a
> > grade of any consequence I have seen temperature reductions across
> the
> > board on the analog gauges.
> > >
> > > My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c
> > condenser and the oil cooler for the power steering and the
> hydraulic
> > fan itself. The coolers cover a major part of the radiator cooling
> > surface. Water from the radiator is dispersed to the tranny,
> retarder
> > and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through a manifold to cool the
> > units. As water temp increases so does the temperature of those
> units.
> > >
> > > Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the
> > benefit of cooler air ( road surface temperature, and that can be
> very
> > hot) passing over the radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser first
> and
> > then cools the radiator with the same road surface air.) That
> > indicates the air going through our radiator is proportionately
> > hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis a/c or
> > increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan override. In
> > theory, once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat
> should
> > place the fan in high mode and keep it on until temperatures back
> off
> > to about 187 degrees at which time the fan goes to idle mode. If it
> > never gets to 187 the fan should continue running full force and
> yield
> > the same results as the fan override.
> > >
> > > I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega.
> They
> > will be actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the DDEC as
> it
> > is receiving them. I have been jacking around with my system
> through
> > the winter and am interested to see the results.
> > >
> > > Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination of that
> > and the radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my
> > radiator water flood system just in case I need it. MH gave me that
> > idea. If I lived in the Mountain West I for sure would have a
> > waterflood system to pull the mountains.
> > >
> > > I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ronmarabito2002
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but
> with the
> > > fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to
> about 195
> > > when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a
> concern
> > > though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling
> and
> > > can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is
> reaching
> > > around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> > > guage is either.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently in Monticello, Utah.
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up
> a bad
> > > load of fuel?
> > > > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> > > chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator
> I'll
> > > tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are
> similar.
> > > I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures
> taken from
> > > the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > > > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out
> to be
> > > the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > Niceville, FL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: ronmarabito2002
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> > > >
> > > > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars
> poorer, but
> > > > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> > > >
> > > > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They
> finally
> > > > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
> > anomolly, they
> > > > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
> > tranny
> > > > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > > > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to
> ignore
> > > > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running
> just
> > > fine.
> > > >
> > > > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override
> mode to
> > > > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided
> that I
> > > > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
> other
> > > > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult
> to get
> > > > infra red temps around the radiator.
> > > >
> > > > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
> > from the
> > > > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> > > >
> > > > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
> > We'll see
> > > > how long that lasts.
> > > >
> > > > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock,
> in the
> > > > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other
> way
> > and I
> > > > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will
> definitely have
> > > > to be replaced.
> > > >
> > > > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things
> settle down.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf
> tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L.
> Fullenwider"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Safe travels,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > > 84FC35
> > > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > > >
> > > > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
> > Gallup NM.
> > > > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at
> this
> > > point,
> > > > > >but
> > > > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had
> asked
> > > them to
> > > > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> > > repaired it.
> > > > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It
> says
> > > > > >nothing
> > > > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full
> throttle, we
> > > only
> > > > > >got
> > > > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
> > test and
> > > > > >power
> > > > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> > > having the
> > > > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
> little
> > > > > >while,
> > > > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
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