Overweight

[John]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote:
>
> Required how? Did you get a ticket?
>
> I've triggered "Enter Scales" signs on various interstates when
crossing the weigh-in-motion pre-checks. I've always ignored them,
and plan to continue to do so.
>


I am slightly paranoid about these issues, having owned a truckin'
company in a past life and being adverse to paying fines as I get
older. With that said and done I am sure that we all have quite a
few tales and anecdotal evidence.

When there was a temporary bridge running across Pensacola Bay the
local (Florida) DOT had a weight in motion scale set up along with a
more permanent set of scales to enforce a weight reduction on the
temp bridge. PT-40's are REALLY heavy and as we came across the
weight in motion scales the scalemaster hit the lights to pull us
in. As I changed lanes he turned the light off and I quickly got
back into the lane to bypass the scales. Since he had let several
trucks go by before we got to the first scale and then he pulled in
several trucks after us I took it that as soon as he realized that we
were a motorhome they didn't want to mess with us.

In my opinion if you are overweight then you can be fined, just like
a commercial vehicle. But in most states the diesel cops are only
taught the laws that relate to commercial vehicles and, in fact, in
many states they are ordered specifically not to mess with non-
commercial vehicles, so that's why they generally let motorhomes
slide.

So far we (motorhome owners) as a class have basically just been
lucky IMHO. But sometimes it's better to be lucky than talented

--PirateJohn--
Jacksonville, FL
1982 PT-40

[Pete Masterson]

John,

I think you're on to something there. As my 'bird is over 40', I'm
required to have (at least) a "non-commercial class B" license (in
California and many other states). For whatever reason, this license
category is apparently really rare. The clerks and the drive test
examiner hardly knew what to do with me. Eventually everything was
figured out, the papers were signed, I was tested, and given my
license. I had a feeling that they crew hadn't seen one of these
before -- or not in a long time. This was at one of the _few_ CA DMV
offices that do "commercial" tests.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Apr 7, 2007, at 10:23 AM, John wrote:
> <snip> But in most states the diesel cops are only
> taught the laws that relate to commercial vehicles and, in fact, in
> many states they are ordered specifically not to mess with non-
> commercial vehicles, so that's why they generally let motorhomes
> slide.
>
> So far we (motorhome owners) as a class have basically just been
> lucky IMHO. But sometimes it's better to be lucky than talented

[Leroy Eckert]

Me too.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL


----- Original Message -----
From: Larry
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight


Leroy,
I guess that will work, your right about the length though... I just do not
like to be stopped for any reason... I try to follow the rules as best I can...

Sea Ya
Larry
NYC
84 35FCSB

----- Original Message ----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 9:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

Yeah, I figure if they want a closer look they can send the DOT car out. Act
dumb, ask for forgiveness later. I do not worry about being overweight, but over
length with the trailer.

Leroy Eckert

1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"

Niceville, Fl

----- Original Message -----

From: Larry

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:38 PM

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

Leroy,

You just reminded me of when I went on the scales in MD... I pulled up to the
stop light waited for the next message and then it read proceed to the scale...
Now if they did not want me there, then why did they go through the trouble to
have me go through the whole procedure to get on the scale and after weighing
the BB the sign lite up with proceed to I-95... Nothing came over the CB to tell
me not to get on the scale, there was no message to tell me to proceed to I-95
before I went through the weighing process... You would think if I was not to be
there why would the take the time to have me go through the scales???

I do not know... I will in the future I will just avoid going through MD on
I-95...

Sea Ya

Larry

NYC

84 35FCSB

----- Original Message ----

From: Leroy Eckert

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 9:00:12 PM

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

I just keep on roll'n. Stopped one time at an INS checkpoint for aliens where
a sign stated all commercial vehicles and buses must stop. Had a specific arrow
where the bus should go. The officer looked at me like I was nuts, took the dog,
sniffed the joint and said see ya, don't stop again. So, I keep going now.

Leroy Eckert

1990 Wb-40'Smoke N Mirrors"

In DeFuniak Springs, with the heater on. Crazy-32 tonignt.

----- Original Message -----

From: Don Bradner

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

The problem is that they want to avoid huge amounts of verbiage. Three or four
lines of large letters, Max.

The Federal DOT recommendation is for 3 signs:

Weigh Station 1 mile.

Weigh Station next exit.

Weigh Station ->.

A fourth sign, specified "if required by law" says

All Trucks

Commercial Vehicles

Next Right

or

All Trucks

Commercial Vehicles

must exit

Next Right

In Maryland's case, they don't require all trucks to stop. Just those over
10,000 lbs GVW. So the important thing to them is to get the "over 5T GVW" into
the sign, and they do it at the expense of the Trucks Commercial part. They
don't want the lighter delivery trucks, which have to stop in many states, from
cluttering things up. The non-standard wording, rather than trying to increase
the number of exiting vehicles, is actually designed to decrease them.

Here's a typical from Colorado, just to show that Maryland is not alone in
using wordage that could possibly be construed to include RVs:

All Trucks

Commercial and

Towed Vehicles

Must Exit

Next Right

But guess what? They don't mean me with my Jeep Liberty toad. I refuse to
spend my time, while traveling down the road, trying to figure out what law a
disgruntled new police officer might mis-apply to me - there's got to be
thousands of such very unlikely possibilities. There's enough real laws I have
to concern myself with!

On 4/6/2007 at 12:47 PM Larry wrote:

>Tom,

>For the most part they are all correct... Now what happens when you get a

>disgruntled police officer that is new to the job and takes the signage

>litterally and then stops you because he thinks you avoided going over the

>scales and issues you a ticket, which you apparently can get squashed,

>then you have to take the time to do this... As I see it, it is easier to

>go over the scales then to take chances that you may be stopped... If

>enough people do this then they will have to change the signage to the

>appropriate wording...

Don Bradner

90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"

Eureka, CA

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[Larry]

Tom,
I know I am hard to convince... I do not normally drive this route through MD, I
usually go down rte 13 to the Chesapeake Bridge tunnel... I do not know what
others do, but I read every sign on the road and if it says to go through the
scales, I go through the scales, I do not need to be stopped for not following
the rules, whether you think I should just go past them or not... I am just
relaying my experience and not trying to make others do what I do... I did not
know if they had changed the rules on the scales or not, so I was just keeping
things on the up and up...

Sea Ya
Larry
NYC
84 35FCSB

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Warner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 12:23:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight













Larry you are a tough fellow to convince that weighing stations in

every state are monitoring for compliance with the Federal Department

of Transportation (DOT) and Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations

(FMCSR) codes. It applies to ONLY commercial vehicles that are for

hire........ .period.



If you are worried about Maryland weigh stations you can read to your

hearts content here and you find absolutely nothing about motorhomes

or any other non commercial vehicle having to utilize these weigh stations.

http://www.sha. state.md. us/businesswiths ha/trucking/ oots/truckweista
/truckweista. asp



Then read

this:

http://www.sha. state.md. us/businesswiths ha/trucking/ oots/truckweista
/MotorCarrierHan dbook.pdf



Now if you want to continue to worry about Maryland weigh

stations.guess you can. I chose to drive by them all and have for years.



tom warner

vernon center,ny

1985 PT 40



At 09:38 PM 4/6/2007, you wrote:

>Leroy,

>You just reminded me of when I went on the scales in MD... I pulled

>up to the stop light waited for the next message and then it read

>proceed to the scale... Now if they did not want me there, then why

>did they go through the trouble to have me go through the whole

>procedure to get on the scale and after weighing the BB the sign

>lite up with proceed to I-95... Nothing came over the CB to tell me

>not to get on the scale, there was no message to tell me to proceed

>to I-95 before I went through the weighing process... You would

>think if I was not to be there why would the take the time to have

>me go through the scales???

>I do not know... I will in the future I will just avoid going

>through MD on I-95...

>

>Sea Ya

>Larry

>NYC

>84 35FCSB

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: Leroy Eckert

>To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

>Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 9:00:12 PM

>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I just keep on roll'n. Stopped one time at an INS

> checkpoint for aliens where a sign stated all commercial vehicles

> and buses must stop. Had a specific arrow where the bus should

> go. The officer looked at me like I was nuts, took the dog,

> sniffed the joint and said see ya, don't stop again. So, I keep going now.

>

>

>

>Leroy Eckert

>

>1990 Wb-40'Smoke N Mirrors"

>

>In DeFuniak Springs, with the heater on. Crazy-32 tonignt.

>

>

>

>----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Don Bradner

>

> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

>

> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 3:21 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

>

>

>

>The problem is that they want to avoid huge amounts of verbiage.

>Three or four lines of large letters, Max.

>

>

>

>The Federal DOT recommendation is for 3 signs:

>

>

>

>Weigh Station 1 mile.

>

> Weigh Station next exit.

>

> Weigh Station ->.

>

>

>

>A fourth sign, specified "if required by law" says

>

>

>

>All Trucks

>

> Commercial Vehicles

>

> Next Right

>

>

>

>or

>

>

>

>All Trucks

>

> Commercial Vehicles

>

> must exit

>

> Next Right

>

>

>

>In Maryland's case, they don't require all trucks to stop. Just

>those over 10,000 lbs GVW. So the important thing to them is to get

>the "over 5T GVW" into the sign, and they do it at the expense of

>the Trucks Commercial part. They don't want the lighter delivery

>trucks, which have to stop in many states, from cluttering things

>up. The non-standard wording, rather than trying to increase the

>number of exiting vehicles, is actually designed to decrease them.

>

>

>

>Here's a typical from Colorado, just to show that Maryland is not

>alone in using wordage that could possibly be construed to include RVs:

>

>

>

>All Trucks

>

> Commercial and

>

> Towed Vehicles

>

> Must Exit

>

> Next Right

>

>

>

>But guess what? They don't mean me with my Jeep Liberty toad. I

>refuse to spend my time, while traveling down the road, trying to

>figure out what law a disgruntled new police officer might mis-apply

>to me - there's got to be thousands of such very unlikely

>possibilities. There's enough real laws I have to concern myself with!

>

>

>

>On 4/6/2007 at 12:47 PM Larry wrote:

>

>

>

> >Tom,

>

> >For the most part they are all correct... Now what happens when you get a

>

> >disgruntled police officer that is new to the job and takes the signage

>

> >litterally and then stops you because he thinks you avoided going over the

>

> >scales and issues you a ticket, which you apparently can get squashed,

>

> >then you have to take the time to do this... As I see it, it is easier to

>

> >go over the scales then to take chances that you may be stopped... If

>

> >enough people do this then they will have to change the signage to the

>

> >appropriate wording...

>

>

>

>Don Bradner

>

> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"

>

> Eureka, CA

>

>

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