What's up with Bluebird?

[Howard O. Truitt]

I guess I have had my head in a hole. When did China become a noncommunist
country?
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

----- Original Message -----
From: davidkerryedwards
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: What's up with Bluebird?


Kind of ironic, that the Oneida Corporation, formed by the collapse of a
communist
community would turn to a former communist country for its rebirth.
Most people have probably never guessed as they ate their dinner using Oneida
Ware that
it all grew out of one of the greatest free love Christian groups that ever
existed.

Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot" wrote:
>
> Tom, Your are right!, "Made in China" stamped right
> there on the bottom next to the proud indian name
> Oneida. Wife wondered, why I was looking?, told her,
> just checking to see where it was made, her remark,
> "everything else is"?
> bob, with bumps on head, Chinese fall-out
>
> Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > Ah but the sky has fallen Bob. Look on the pan and see where it was
> > made.......CHINA. That is why they have lost their high value
> > customers for products like their expensive silverware. They only
> > franchise their name now.
> >
> > tom
>






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[davidkerryedwards]

They called themselves Christian Communists in their own literature and they
rejected
private property, owning all things in common including spouses and children. I
can't
imagine anything more communist than that. They published a newspaper called
the
American Socialist. They also talked about free love, but whether they would
have called
themselves a free love community, I'm not sure. They did accept some members
from
other free love communities. They were not permitted to have exclusive sexual
relationships but had to rotate thru the community although their sexual choices
were
always monitored by the leaders to make sure no exclusive relationships
developed. They
also could not reproduce without a deliberate choice by the community (in their
later
years). They understood human sexuality to be a spiritual expression, capable
of
perfecting humans. It is interesting that they seemed to have developed this
view thru
experiment, completely independent of the Asian traditions which developed a
similar
view thousands of years ago.
I've read about them for years and visited the mansion house this past summer.

Kerry
82 FC 35


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> Kerry it was not a communist community, but instead was based on
> complex marriage and perfectionism. The mansion house and facilities
> are only a couple of miles from my home in Sherill, NY. Although it
> was a christian community it was not a free love one.
>
> tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>

[Al]

Kerry & Tom,
I am scratching my head.. What does this have to do with the topic?

"What's up with Bluebird? "

Am I missing somthing?

Al Johnson
'96 BMC B50
Mandeville, Louisiana

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> They called themselves Christian Communists in their own literature
and they rejected
> private property, owning all things in common including spouses and
children. I can't
> imagine anything more communist than that. They published a
newspaper called the
> American Socialist. They also talked about free love, but whether
they would have called
> themselves a free love community, I'm not sure. They did accept
some members from
> other free love communities. They were not permitted to have
exclusive sexual
> relationships but had to rotate thru the community although their
sexual choices were
> always monitored by the leaders to make sure no exclusive
relationships developed. They
> also could not reproduce without a deliberate choice by the
community (in their later
> years). They understood human sexuality to be a spiritual
expression, capable of
> perfecting humans. It is interesting that they seemed to have
developed this view thru
> experiment, completely independent of the Asian traditions which
developed a similar
> view thousands of years ago.
> I've read about them for years and visited the mansion house this
past summer.
>
> Kerry
> 82 FC 35
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> >
> > Kerry it was not a communist community, but instead was based on
> > complex marriage and perfectionism. The mansion house and
facilities
> > are only a couple of miles from my home in Sherill, NY. Although
it
> > was a christian community it was not a free love one.
> >
> > tom warner
> > vernon center,ny
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
>

[ernieekberg@...>]

Al, I'm in total agreement with you there. That subject is for another venue.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston,Montana
----- Original Message -----
From: Al
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: What's up with Bluebird?


Kerry & Tom,
I am scratching my head.. What does this have to do with the topic?

"What's up with Bluebird? "

Am I missing somthing?

Al Johnson
'96 BMC B50
Mandeville, Louisiana

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> They called themselves Christian Communists in their own literature
and they rejected
> private property, owning all things in common including spouses and
children. I can't
> imagine anything more communist than that. They published a
newspaper called the
> American Socialist. They also talked about free love, but whether
they would have called
> themselves a free love community, I'm not sure. They did accept
some members from
> other free love communities. They were not permitted to have
exclusive sexual
> relationships but had to rotate thru the community although their
sexual choices were
> always monitored by the leaders to make sure no exclusive
relationships developed. They
> also could not reproduce without a deliberate choice by the
community (in their later
> years). They understood human sexuality to be a spiritual
expression, capable of
> perfecting humans. It is interesting that they seemed to have
developed this view thru
> experiment, completely independent of the Asian traditions which
developed a similar
> view thousands of years ago.
> I've read about them for years and visited the mansion house this
past summer.
>
> Kerry
> 82 FC 35
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> >
> > Kerry it was not a communist community, but instead was based on
> > complex marriage and perfectionism. The mansion house and
facilities
> > are only a couple of miles from my home in Sherill, NY. Although
it
> > was a christian community it was not a free love one.
> >
> > tom warner
> > vernon center,ny
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
>





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[davidkerryedwards]

RevereWare and Oneida were brought up as once strong companies, like Bluebird,
which
ended up in bankruptcy.

Kerry

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
>
> Kerry & Tom,
> I am scratching my head.. What does this have to do with the topic?
>
> "What's up with Bluebird? "
>
> Am I missing somthing?
>
> Al Johnson
> '96 BMC B50
> Mandeville, Louisiana

[Gregory OConnor]

Al, I'm confused also. Is there another Rally that I was not invited
to?
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
>
> Kerry & Tom,
> I am scratching my head.. What does this have to do with the
topic?
>
> "What's up with Bluebird? "
>
> Am I missing somthing?
>
> Al Johnson
> '96 BMC B50
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
> wrote:
> >
> > They called themselves Christian Communists in their own
literature
> and they rejected
> > private property, owning all things in common including spouses
and
> children. I can't
> > imagine anything more communist than that. They published a
> newspaper called the
> > American Socialist. They also talked about free love, but
whether
> they would have called
> > themselves a free love community, I'm not sure. They did accept
> some members from
> > other free love communities. They were not permitted to have
> exclusive sexual
> > relationships but had to rotate thru the community although their
> sexual choices were
> > always monitored by the leaders to make sure no exclusive
> relationships developed. They
> > also could not reproduce without a deliberate choice by the
> community (in their later
> > years). They understood human sexuality to be a spiritual
> expression, capable of
> > perfecting humans. It is interesting that they seemed to have
> developed this view thru
> > experiment, completely independent of the Asian traditions which
> developed a similar
> > view thousands of years ago.
> > I've read about them for years and visited the mansion house this
> past summer.
> >
> > Kerry
> > 82 FC 35
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kerry it was not a communist community, but instead was based
on
> > > complex marriage and perfectionism. The mansion house and
> facilities
> > > are only a couple of miles from my home in Sherill, NY.
Although
> it
> > > was a christian community it was not a free love one.
> > >
> > > tom warner
> > > vernon center,ny
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> >
>