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05-09-2006, 17:56
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Since Ron brought this up I guess I should extend the courtesy to him
he extended to me and reply. I did send Ron some suggestions that I
believe could make a difference for all of us and certainly the
factory. It doesnt matter what year coach you own, when people buy a
new Bluebird they normally trade in their old one and it is recycled
to another Bluebird owner wishing to move up. I believe this is a
very important aspect of ownership that Bluebird recognizes. Its
called brand loyalty. You have positive feelings about owning your
Bluebird and you wish to buy a newer one after a few years.

I early on took a very personal interest in Bluebird after buying the
1982 FC35, and on the way home from buying it in Houston, Texas,
stopping at Fort Valley, touring the factory and the Birds Nest and
witnessing many of the different procedures in building and
supporting a bluebird...and Bluebird owners. The personnel there were
superb and gave me absolutely no indication that they valued a
customer with a 20 plus year old coach any less then a owner of a new
one. That is a very different concept then other motorhome owners get
primarily since very few other 1982 motorhomes are on the road.
Bluebird should keep capitalizing on this. I have sat down and
talked to Bennie Collier many times, as I have with Ray Horne and
many others at Bluebird, each and every one of them had vast
corporate knowledge that I found invaluable. Each and everyone of
them is not only courteous but helpful beyond anything that I could
have imagined. I obtained all of the engineering drawings for the
1982 within days of purchasing it, and did the same while going thru
Fort Vally on the way home from purchasing the 1985 PT 40.

Contrary to what some may believe there is very little difference
between many of the Bluebird motorhome products as I was to find out
later, as it relates to suspensions, engines, transmissions, shocks,
body panels, glass etc. I am fortunate to have a database of Bluebird
products that includes school buses, tour buses, transit buses and of
course Bluebird Wanderlodges, that very quickly allows me to search
for a specific part and tell me all of the Bluebird products that it
is used on. You would be amazed at how many parts used on a 2004 LXI
are used on school buses, tour buses etc. Its a nice thing to have
when you are trying to restore a Bluebird for I can quickly buy parts
from any Bluebird Schoolbus, transit bus etc dealer if Fort Vally
doesnt have it. For example the Bluebird TC2000 school bus
windshield is the same one used on my 1982 FC35, exactly the same
right down to the top tint, and the school bus mechanics near me are
very proficient at working on the forward controls. When I had the
accident with the 1982 in Nashville, Tennesse , Bluebird parts did
not have the new battery door and front drivers panel, as they no
longer stocked them. However the local Bluebird School bus dealer
about 15 miles from me had a compete fabrication metal shop and made
the new panels for it, repaired the damage, painted it, and made it
as good as new. With all of these school bus and tour bus dealers
Bluebird has nationwide, doesnt it make sense to use them to servide
the Wanderlodges of any year? Bluebird could have the largest dealer
network of any motorhome manufacturer.

There are different things I covered in the email to Ron but I am
sure many of you have many many more ideas based on your experiences
with your Bluebird. If you honestly want to see them survive then
now is the time to try and help.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1985 PT 40


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At 01:00 AM 5/10/2006, you wrote:
>O.K. Guys. Let's keep this friendly and not personal. As a matter of
>information: Tom did send me some positive suggestions this evening
>and they all were valid. I asked Tom to post them to start a dialogue.
>
>R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> wrote:
> >
> > thats why the systems are multiplexed they follow an industry standard
> > for ease of repair one or two diagnostic ports to access all the
> > electrical systems.The information bus on the 450 can be accessed from
> > the outside of the coach if need be. The canbus is industry standard
> > for almost all heavy vehicles do a search and read and learn
> > Tom wake up and smell the diesel it is easier to diagnose a problem on
> > a 450 than it ever was on a older lxi.
> > quit ragging on how good the old were and how simple it was and how
> > bad Bluebird is. It is not 1985 anymore
> > At the risk of being booted by the moderators either put up or shut up
> > nuff said
> > Stephen 77fc35
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> > >
> > > David you have a 2002 LXI , its a beautiful coach and complicated
> > > from the aspect of the many redundant systems and lots of work to
> > > keep it running at its peak. The engine and transmission should be no
> > > problem since it is used by many other over the road trucks and
> > > buses. But honestly how many repair facilities have you been able to
> > > find that can work on the rest of the coach, and that you have
> > > confidence in? The M450 is many levels above the LXI when it comes
> > > to finding a repair shop that can keep one running, with multiplexed
> > > wiring and manabloc plumbing. Open the panels up and look at the
> > > wiring and relays and most mechanics will scratch their heads and
> > > button everything back up. What I am saying is that there are now
> > > many many nice coaches out there, a condition that did not exist when
> > > Bluebird was in its prime. Anyone can design and build a beautiful
> > > motorhome now but the real problem is keeping it repaired. Buy one
> > > here in New York state and who is going to repair it?
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > >
> > > . know At 05:53 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> > > >I want to see them succeed too Tom. I test drove the 450 the
> > > >other day and it is a great coach. Should appeal to a wide audience.
> > > >We'll have to wait and see.
> > > >
> > > >David Brady
> > > >'02 LXi, Smokey
> > > >Va
> > > >
> > > >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > > > With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see
> > that
> > > > > will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to
> > see them
> > > > > succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Warner
> > > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > > 1985 PT 40
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Messages In This Thread
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-09-2006, 01:01
BB Direct Sales info - Tom Warner - 05-09-2006, 02:50
BB Direct Sales info - David Brady - 05-09-2006, 06:29
BB Direct Sales info - George Lowry - 05-09-2006, 07:31
BB Direct Sales info - Tom Warner - 05-09-2006, 09:17
BB Direct Sales info - David Brady - 05-09-2006, 09:53
BB Direct Sales info - Stephen Birtles - 05-09-2006, 10:21
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-09-2006, 11:51
BB Direct Sales info - Tom Warner - 05-09-2006, 11:54
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-09-2006, 12:02
BB Direct Sales info - Wallace Craig - 05-09-2006, 12:32
BB Direct Sales info - Stephen Birtles - 05-09-2006, 12:49
BB Direct Sales info - Scott - 05-09-2006, 12:56
BB Direct Sales info - smquandt - 05-09-2006, 13:08
BB Direct Sales info - Mike Hohnstein - 05-09-2006, 13:34
BB Direct Sales info - Stephen Birtles - 05-09-2006, 13:40
BB Direct Sales info - Stephen Birtles - 05-09-2006, 13:42
BB Direct Sales info - Gregory OConnor - 05-09-2006, 16:56
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-09-2006, 17:00
BB Direct Sales info - George Lowry - 05-09-2006, 17:12
BB Direct Sales info - Tom Warner - 05-09-2006 17:56
BB Direct Sales info - Blair - 05-10-2006, 01:44
BB Direct Sales info - Gregory OConnor - 05-10-2006, 02:43
BB Direct Sales info - George Lowry - 05-10-2006, 05:00
BB Direct Sales info - erniecarpet@... - 05-10-2006, 07:13
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-10-2006, 10:39
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-10-2006, 10:46
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-10-2006, 10:58
BB Direct Sales info - ronmarabito2002 - 05-10-2006, 11:29
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