Neutral safty switch

[wlb52@...]

I can't find the key that turns the back switch. I this k the front key is the one bit don't want to brake the key off in the switch. Do you think I could spay WD40 inside and not hurt it.

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From: Ralph
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Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 21:17:01 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch

Art, replace the toggle switch
Safe travels, Ralph Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma
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Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:27:55
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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch

I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).
If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the 'on' position, start the coach from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and turn rear key to 'off'.

I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard nothing when I turned the the in front.

I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that I have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once but oh no, the symtom reappearred.

Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.


Art Weatherly
Riverside Ca
'85 PT36


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" wrote:
>
> Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc master. Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper dash, sort of hidden by the steer wheel
> Safe travels, Ralph Charolette Fullenwider
> '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
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[Wayne Kotila]

On my 1985 PT40 the remote start used a different key than the front ignition.

Wayne kotila

96PT42

From: "wlb52@..."
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Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch

I can't find the key that turns the back switch. I this k the front key is the one bit don't want to brake the key off in the switch. Do you think I could spay WD40 inside and not hurt it.

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-----Original message-----

From: Ralph
To: Wanderlodge Forum
Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 21:17:01 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch

Art, replace the toggle switch
Safe travels, Ralph Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma
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To:
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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch

I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).
If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the 'on' position, start the coach
from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and turn rear key to 'off'.

I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard nothing when I turned the the in front.

I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that I have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once but oh no, the symtom reappearred.

Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.


Art Weatherly
Riverside Ca
'85 PT36


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" wrote:
>
> Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc master. Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper dash, sort of hidden by the steer wheel
> Safe travels, Ralph Charolette Fullenwider
> '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
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[sfedeli3]

Like Ralph said- change out the toggle switch in the engine compartment. Be sure
to use a 30 AMP DPDT switch, not the usual 20-AMP junk that you commonly find at
Wal-Mart. Also, if there are any splices in the small box, open the splice
connections and check for corrosion. Mine would not start at AZ earlier this
fall and it was a corroded switch along with a corroded splice. Try and use the
adhesive-lined heat shrink butt connectors and ring terminals when you rewire
the switch. That should keep the moisture out! You might also coat the new
switch terminals with a nice helping of di-electric grease to postpone corrosion
on the screw connectors. Since replacing the switch, my coach starter "hits"
within a millisecond of turning the key. There used to be a delay of a few
seconds or so. The neutral safety switches rarely fail in the Morse shifter. If
they get weak, you can clean the little ball and spring assembly to assure
better contact.

Shane Fedeli
1985PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "artw" wrote:
>
> I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).
> If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers
position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the 'on'
position, start the coach from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and turn rear
key to 'off'.
>
> I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard
nothing when I turned the the in front.
>
> I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that I
have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once but oh
no, the symtom reappearred.
>
> Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.
>
>
> Art Weatherly
> Riverside Ca
> '85 PT36
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" wrote:
> >
> > Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc master.
Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper dash, sort of
hidden by the steer wheel
> > Safe travels, Ralph &
Charolette Fullenwider
> > '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "wlb52@"
> > Sender:
>

[Mike]

I know this sounds simple but I fought this problem on one of my PTs for a
while. Check the positive connection on the starter for cleanliness and
tightness. Also clean the large battery cable connection where it attaches to
the starter and check the tightness of the crimp on the cable. Oil can get on
the connection and these engines vibrate and things can get loose. Worked for
me.

Mike McMahan 96 42' Wanderlodge

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...> wrote:
>
> Like Ralph said- change out the toggle switch in the engine compartment. Be
sure to use a 30 AMP DPDT switch, not the usual 20-AMP junk that you commonly
find at Wal-Mart. Also, if there are any splices in the small box, open the
splice connections and check for corrosion. Mine would not start at AZ earlier
this fall and it was a corroded switch along with a corroded splice. Try and use
the adhesive-lined heat shrink butt connectors and ring terminals when you
rewire the switch. That should keep the moisture out! You might also coat the
new switch terminals with a nice helping of di-electric grease to postpone
corrosion on the screw connectors. Since replacing the switch, my coach starter
"hits" within a millisecond of turning the key. There used to be a delay of a
few seconds or so. The neutral safety switches rarely fail in the Morse shifter.
If they get weak, you can clean the little ball and spring assembly to assure
better contact.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 1985PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "artw" wrote:
> >
> > I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).
> > If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers
position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the 'on'
position, start the coach from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and turn rear
key to 'off'.
> >
> > I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard
nothing when I turned the the in front.
> >
> > I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that I
have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once but oh
no, the symtom reappearred.
> >
> > Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.
> >
> >
> > Art Weatherly
> > Riverside Ca
> > '85 PT36
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" wrote:
> > >
> > > Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc
master. Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper dash,
sort of hidden by the steer wheel
> > > Safe travels, Ralph &
Charolette Fullenwider
> > > '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > > Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "wlb52@"
> > > Sender:
> >
>

[jerry_94110]

I just ran into this problem today. I went to start the engine and the key did
nothing. My heart stopped for a minute then I remembered reading this string. I
went to the back of the bus inserted the key toggled the switch from front" to
"rear" turn the key and it started right up. I ran it for about 5 minute and
shut it down. toggled the switch back to "front". I then inserted the key up
front and it started. Not sure what the issue was, maybe just being
temperamental today.

Jerry Kocher
1987 PT38
San Francisco, CA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "artw" wrote:
>
> I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).
> If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers
position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the 'on'
position, start the coach from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and turn rear
key to 'off'.
>
> I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard
nothing when I turned the the in front.
>
> I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that I
have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once but oh
no, the symtom reappearred.
>
> Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.
>
>
> Art Weatherly
> Riverside Ca
> '85 PT36
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" wrote:
> >
> > Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc master.
Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper dash, sort of
hidden by the steer wheel
> > Safe travels, Ralph &
Charolette Fullenwider
> > '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "wlb52@"
> > Sender:
>

[wlb52@...]

Dose your bird use the same key up front as in the back switch

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-----Original message-----

From: jerry_94110
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 23:37:05 GMT+00:00
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch

I just ran into this problem today. I went to start the engine and the key did nothing. My heart stopped for a minute then I remembered reading this string. I went to the back of the bus inserted the key toggled the switch from front" to "rear" turn the key and it started right up. I ran it for about 5 minute and shut it down. toggled the switch back to "front". I then inserted the key up front and it started. Not sure what the issue was, maybe just being temperamental today.

Jerry Kocher
1987 PT38
San Francisco, CA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "artw" wrote:
>
> I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).
> If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the 'on' position, start the coach from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and turn rear key to 'off'.
>
> I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard nothing when I turned the the in front.
>
> I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that I have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once but oh no, the symtom reappearred.
>
> Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.
>
>
> Art Weatherly
> Riverside Ca
> '85 PT36
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" wrote:
> >
> > Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc master. Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper dash, sort of hidden by the steer wheel
> > Safe travels, Ralph Charolette Fullenwider
> > '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "wlb52@"
> > Sender:
>




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[jerry_94110]

Yes, it uses the same key.

Jerry Kocher
1987 PT38
San Francisco, CA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "wlb52@..." wrote:
>
> Dose your bird use the same key up front as in the back switch
>
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> -----Original message-----
> From: jerry_94110
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 23:37:05 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch
>
>
>
>
> I just ran into this problem today. I went to start the engine and the key
> did nothing. My heart stopped for a minute then I remembered reading this
> string. I went to the back of the bus inserted the key toggled the switch
> from front" to "rear" turn the key and it started right up. I ran it for
> about 5 minute and shut it down. toggled the switch back to "front". I then
> inserted the key up front and it started. Not sure what the issue was, maybe
> just being temperamental today.
>
> Jerry Kocher
> 1987 PT38
> San Francisco, CA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "artw" wrote:
> >
> > I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).
> > If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers
> position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the
> 'on' position, start the coach from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and
> turn rear key to 'off'.
> >
> > I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard
> nothing when I turned the the in front.
> >
> > I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that
> I have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once
> but oh no, the symtom reappearred.
> >
> > Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.
> >
> >
> > Art Weatherly
> > Riverside Ca
> > '85 PT36
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" wrote:
> > >
> > > Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc
> master. Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper
> dash, sort of hidden by the steer wheel
> > > Safe travels, Ralph &
> Charolette Fullenwider
> > > '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > > Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "wlb52@"
> > > Sender:
> >
>
>
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[G Boyd]

I know Shane had the same problem and he replaced the switch at the rear of the coach. 

On 9 November 2011 17:19, jerry_94110 <"gerard@kocher.com"> wrote:

 

Yes, it uses the same key.



Jerry Kocher

1987 PT38

San Francisco, CA



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "wlb52@..." wrote:

>

> Dose your bird use the same key up front as in the back switch

>

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>

> -----Original message-----

> From: jerry_94110

> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 23:37:05 GMT+00:00

> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Neutral safty switch

>

>

>

>

> I just ran into this problem today. I went to start the engine and the key

> did nothing. My heart stopped for a minute then I remembered reading this

> string. I went to the back of the bus inserted the key toggled the switch

> from front" to "rear" turn the key and it started right up. I ran it for

> about 5 minute and shut it down. toggled the switch back to "front". I then

> inserted the key up front and it started. Not sure what the issue was, maybe

> just being temperamental today.

>

> Jerry Kocher

> 1987 PT38

> San Francisco, CA

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "artw" wrote:

> >

> > I have had the same continueing problem with my PT36 (still having it).

> > If the batteries are not fully charged it will not start from the drivers

> position. I am able to start from the rear. I leave the drivers key in the

> 'on' position, start the coach from thr rear, move to toggle to'front' and

> turn rear key to 'off'.

> >

> > I had my son stand at the rear to listen for a solenoid click. He heard

> nothing when I turned the the in front.

> >

> > I have been trouble-shooting the problem for two years. I'm thinking that

> I have a corroded pin in one of the cannon plugs. Thought I found it once

> but oh no, the symtom reappearred.

> >

> > Always starts fine when Batts. are fully charged.

> >

> >

> > Art Weatherly

> > Riverside Ca

> > '85 PT36

> >

> >

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Ralph" wrote:

> > >

> > > Nope the one on the right down under by the right knee is the 12vdc

> master. Am not talking about that. The AT is centered on the lower upper

> dash, sort of hidden by the steer wheel

> > > Safe travels, Ralph &

> Charolette Fullenwider

> > > '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"

> > > Duncan, Oklahoma

> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: "wlb52@"

> > > Sender:

> >

>

>

>

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[wlb52@...]

It was the AT switch it got flipped to the right. I looked for it and didn't see it till now flipped it to the left and it turned o er and started right up. Dam now I have to put it all back together. Thanks everyone for there help. BILL

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From: Don Bradner
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Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 01:00:55 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Neutral safty switch

AT is anti-theft. Simple way to make sure the coach can't be started, but a b**** when you don't know it got switched!

On 11/6/2011 at 7:52 PM wlb52@... wrote:

>What is the at switch. I will go out and see if I can find it

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From: Ralph
>
To: Wanderlodge Forum
>
Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 00:13:24
>GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Neutral safty switch

Rarely.
>Ahh let's try one more thing quickly. Sit in the drivers seat. On the
>lower up dash, find a switch labeled AT. Be sure it is switched to the
>left. If right then switch it and start
Safe travels,
> Ralph Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC35
>"Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma
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Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Neutral
>safty switch

I try flipping the toggle switch from front to back four or
>five times and it didn't start. I'm trying to find the key for the back
>start spot. Do you think it could be the front key switch

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From: Wayne Kotila
>
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
>
Sent: Sun, Nov 6, 2011 23:41:31
>GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Neutral safty switch

On my
>former coach (1985 PT40) I had your same symptoms a few times caused by
>two different things. The switch for remote start back in the engine
>compartment apparently had bad contact points, it would act
>up��occasionaly and If I flipped it from front to rear and back a��few
>times the coach would��then start. I replaced the switch after this
>happened a couple of times and that eliminated that problem. Another time
>I had the exact same symptoms, hit the key,��it did not crank the engine
>over and the starter made no noise. That time it turned out to be a jammed
>(stuck starter), the starter was pulled and the drive gear on the starter
>was easily freed up and the starter put back on, it never got stuck
>again.
��
Good Luck
Wayne
>Kotila
96PT42����


________________________________
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>"wlb52@..."
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>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 7:06
>PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Neutral safty switch


��
Got to the
>neutral salty switch cut the two wires put them together and no start.
>Anyone no of anything it could be short of the starter. It dose not make a
>sound so I think its not the starter.�� Thanks.���� Bill

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-----Original message-----

From: Ralph
>
>To: Wanderlodge Forum
>
>Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 20:18:46
>GMT+00:00
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Neutral safty
>switch
>
>Attached the bottom of the shifter mechanism
>Safe travels,
>Ralph Charolette Fullenwider
>'84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>Duncan,
>Oklahoma
>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Date: Fri, 04 Nov
>2011 19:30:51
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>Subject:
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>
>I have a 1985 pt 40 that
>started one day and the next day I get no sound out of the starter. I
>think it may be the neutral safty switch but I can not find it. I looked
>on the trans and I didn't see dose anyone know where it would be
>located
>
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[Fred Hulse]

That A/T switch is a sneaky lil devil!

Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown,Arizona
97 WLWB41