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08-04-2009, 14:38
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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Greg Young
I didn't know there was other Burningman events? I would love to visit a bunch of National parks but the nudist venu would only prove me to be a liar. Greg of Tim&Greg 94ptca > Greg > Halfway through a six month tour of the continent trying to hit as many Burning Man events, National Parks and Nudist Camps as possible! > Currently Kalispell MT > 1986 PT-40 > > Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. > -Kirpal Venanji > > > > > ________________________________ > From: trekkersmith1 > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:45:10 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > Morey, > My Streetpilot 7200 doesn't have ability to plan for clearances, or even alert for them, as far as I can tell. I do have that feature with my Delorme Road Atlas using one of the DiscoveryOwnersGrou p add-in files. Can you give more specifics? > Thanks, > Gary > SOB > bbirdmaps #66 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Morey Zuber" wrote: > > > > We purchased a Garmin Streetpilot 7200 (7" screen built for truckers and RVers) on Amazon for $428. It has a vehicle setting for trucks or buses, which protects from low bridges. Sits on dash with a bean bag and visible to driver & copilot. > > > > MoreyZ > > 99LXi > > Fulltiming from Green Cove Springs, FL > > Current Location http://www.bbirdmaps.com/ Location 168 > > > |
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08-04-2009, 14:49
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A Truck Route is often not due to weight or height restrictions. It is more
common that it is an ordinance to keep commercial traffic from residential areas. I get stopped often by city commercial inspectors because I work in residential areas with my 18 wheel setup (truck and equipment trailer). In many cities I am required to file a route plan prior to going off the posted route. I've filed a plan with three cities once to complete a one day job that required crossing all 3 areas 24 times There is a better chance that there will be enough clearance in a truck route but that too is not always the case. Greg of Tim&Greg 94ptca --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella" wrote: > > After reading this thread, I started thinking how useful a reliable truck route reference would be.I'm still a bit green with this stuff... just what does 9-Ton bridge ahead mean? > > I have been using MS Streets and Trips GPS as a guide in conjunction with the RM paper road maps. Found this add on for Streets and Trips called "Truck Stops Plus". Wondering if anyone of you are familiar with it? > > If it works, Its probably worth the $. Check it out here > > http://www.truckstopsplus.com/ > > Thanks, > > NH Bill > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler" > > > > Our son was a independent trucker for awhile. I ran his truck for about ten > > days when he had surgery. He had a WorldNav GPS. Large screen and it > > seemed to know about low clearances and prohibited routes. > > > > Here is a link to their site: > > > > http://www.teletype.com/c/portable-truck-gps.html > > > > - Chuck Wheeler- > > 1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:40 AM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > > > > > > > > > > After seeing this discussion this morning I ran a simple unscientific test > > on our StreetPilot 7200. We were driving through Glacier NP in our tow car > > with the GPS. I had left it set for Truck and Prefer Fastest Time. With > > those settings it routed us around Going to the Sun Hwy, a slow park road > > with low clearances and maximum 21 foot total vehicle (inc. tow vehicle) > > length. I then changed the settings to Car, leaving it on Prefer Fastest > > Time. No change in the routing. Then I changed it to Prefer Shorter > > Distance, leaving it on Car, and it took us on the park road. That makes > > sense because Going to the Sun is far fewer miles than routing around the NP > > on highways. So far, so good. > > > > Then, leaving it on Shorter Distance, I changed it back to Bus, and then to > > Truck. In both cases it still routed us through the park on Going to the > > Sun Hwy! Had we been in the Bird we'd have run into a 9 foot tall tunnel > > and gotten stuck going around a hairpin turn. It had no data whatsoever > > about the length or height restrictions, or if it did, the Bus and Truck > > settings did not utilize them to route us around a road that would have been > > completely impossible for a 40 foot three axle 21 ton vehicle. > > > > Don't know that this proves anything - maybe the data was simply incomplete > > for that road - but I have learned to not trust the GPS for much of anything > > off the interstates. I still use it - it makes a great digital speedometer! > > - but I read the maps and guides first before I drive anywhere! > > > > BTW, when we got to our campground in Kalispell (Glacier Pines) there was a > > newer LXi a couple of spaces down. No one home when we walked by, and it's > > gone now. Anyone here? > > > > Greg > > Halfway through a six month tour of the continent trying to hit as many > > Burning Man events, National Parks and Nudist Camps as possible! > > Currently Kalispell MT > > 1986 PT-40 > > > > > > Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. > > -Kirpal Venanji > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: trekkersmith1 > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:45:10 PM > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > > > > > > Morey, > > My Streetpilot 7200 doesn't have ability to plan for clearances, or even > > alert for them, as far as I can tell. I do have that feature with my Delorme > > Road Atlas using one of the DiscoveryOwnersGrou p add-in files. Can you give > > more specifics? > > Thanks, > > Gary > > SOB > > bbirdmaps #66 > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. com, "Morey Zuber" > > > > > > We purchased a Garmin Streetpilot 7200 (7" screen built for truckers and > > RVers) on Amazon for $428. It has a vehicle setting for trucks or buses, > > which protects from low bridges. Sits on dash with a bean bag and visible to > > driver & copilot. > > > > > > MoreyZ > > > 99LXi > > > Fulltiming from Green Cove Springs, FL > > > Current Location http://www.bbirdmap <http://www.bbirdmaps.com/> s.com/ > > Location 168 > > > > > > |
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08-04-2009, 17:49
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There's Burning Man, which takes place in the Black Rock Desert NE of Reno every year the week before Labor Day for 9 days. It attracts 50,000 people and some amazingly huge art and camps. Quite overwhelming in some ways. But people travel there from all over the world and have formed communities of "burners" in their hometowns. It ranges from El Paso where there are about 10 people to Seattle with 8,000 and of course San Francisco where it originated with an estimated 20,000. So in the larger communities it's possible to participate in an event of some kind almost every week and to fill your time with music and art, creativity and community action. Our project is called 52 Week Burn and we are videotaping, interviewing participants, and creating videos of these
local events as we attend them, with the plan of showing them to the attendees at the big event in Black Rock later this month. We carry a 15' tall by 30' wide aluminum truss system for a video screen on top of our PT-40, along with a 16' tall illuminated cactus and other art pieces. (See the tie-in to why a Bluebird is so great for us! - just trying to stay on-topic). The parks have been wonderful. It's so heartening to realize what an absolutely beauitiful country we live in (including our neighbors in Canada for that praise as well). We are so fortunate to have a system and people that, for the most part, respect the beauty of our planet and preserve it for us and our children. And the nudist thing has been a pasttime of ours for 28 years. Lots of nudist parks are great campgrounds with really warm residents and visitors. But, like Burning Man, it isn't for everybody! We have run into a few Bluebird owners at them, though! It's an unwritten law that you don't "out" a fellow nudist, so I won't reveal who in this venue. But we're in the open about all that we do, believing that America values non-destructive self-expression and individual liberties, and that hiding behind (clothes, money, whatever...) basically says you're ashamed of who you are. I'm an American, I'm liberal, I'm a nudist, a Bluebird owner, believe in freedom of marriage for all, believe in self-expression, think that rampant consumerism is hurting us, a musician, artist and philosopher, and I'm proud of all that. Oh, and I vote too... Gosh, I know this was a diversion from our normal programming, but Tim, you practically invited me to comment. Please, everybody, I hope we can not turn this into another long dialog about politics or personal beliefs. I so much appreciate this forum and its members, and though I've met only a few of you I completely respect your rights and activities, and hope to meet many more of you soon. Curt is encouraging us to make it to one of the rallies soon - if we're not too far away we might even make this October's SW rally. But it will be a last minute thing. (I promise NOT to show up naked...) Greg of Greg & Barbara in Kalispell MT 86 PT-40 Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. -Kirpal Venanji From: timvasqz WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:38:50 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Greg Young I didn't know there was other Burningman events? I would love to visit a bunch of National parks but the nudist venu would only prove me to be a liar. Greg of Tim&Greg 94ptca > Greg > Halfway through a six month tour of the continent trying to hit as many Burning Man events, National Parks and Nudist Camps as possible! > Currently Kalispell MT > 1986 PT-40 > > Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. > -Kirpal Venanji > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: trekkersmith1 > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:45:10 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > Morey, > My Streetpilot 7200 doesn't have ability to plan for clearances, or even alert for them, as far as I can tell. I do have that feature with my Delorme Road Atlas using one of the DiscoveryOwnersGrou p add-in files. Can you give more specifics? > Thanks, > Gary > SOB > bbirdmaps #66 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Morey Zuber" > > > > We purchased a Garmin Streetpilot 7200 (7" screen built for truckers and RVers) on Amazon for $428. It has a vehicle setting for trucks or buses, which protects from low bridges. Sits on dash with a bean bag and visible to driver & copilot. > > > > MoreyZ > > 99LXi > > Fulltiming from Green Cove Springs, FL > > Current Location http://www.bbirdmaps.com/ Location 168 > > > |
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08-05-2009, 02:35
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Greg, I think whether the nudist are "warm" has something to do with the weather too!!! Rock on!
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Young To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:49 am Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges There's Burning Man, which takes place in the Black Rock Desert NE of Reno every year the week before Labor Day for 9 days. It attracts 50,000 people and some amazingly huge art and camps. Quite overwhelming in some ways. But people travel there from all over the world and have formed communities of "burners" in their hometowns. It ranges from El Paso where there are about 10 people to Seattle with 8,000 and of course San Francisco where it originated with an estimated 20,000. So in the larger communities it's possible to participate in an event of some kind almost every week and to fill your time with music and art, creativity and community action. Our project is called 52 Week Burn and we are videotaping, interviewing participants, and creating videos of these local events as we attend them, with the plan of showing them to the attendees at the big event in Black Rock later this month. We carry a 15' tall by 30' wide aluminum truss system for a video screen on top of our PT-40, along with a 16' tall illuminated cactus and other art pieces. (See the tie-in to why a Bluebird is so great for us! - just trying to stay on-topic).
The parks have been wonderful. It's so heartening to realize what an absolutely beauitiful country we live in (including our neighbors in Canada for that praise as well). We are so fortunate to have a system and people that, for the most part, respect the beauty of our planet and preserve it for us and our children. And the nudist thing has been a pasttime of ours for 28 years. Lots of nudist parks are great campgrounds with really warm residents and visitors. But, like Burning Man, it isn't for everybody! We have run into a few Bluebird owners at them, though! It's an unwritten law that you don't "out" a fellow nudist, so I won't reveal who in this venue. But we're in the open about all that we do, believing that America values non-destructive self-expression and individual liberties, and that hiding behind (clothes, money, whatever...) basically says you're ashamed of who you are. I'm an American, I'm liberal, I'm a nudist, a Bluebird owner, believe in freedom of marriage for all, believe in self-expression, think that rampant consumerism is hurting us, a musician, artist and philosopher, and I'm proud of all that. Oh, and I vote too... Gosh, I know this was a diversion from our normal programming, but Tim, you practically invited me to comment. Please, everybody, I hope we can not turn this into another long dialog about politics or personal beliefs. I so much appreciate this forum and its members, and though I've met only a few of you I completely respect your rights and activities, and hope to meet many more of you soon. Curt is encouraging us to make it to one of the rallies soon - if we're not too far away we might even make this October's SW rally. But it will be a last minute thing. (I promise NOT to show up naked...) Greg of Greg & Barbara in Kalispell MT 86 PT-40 Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. -Kirpal Venanji From: timvasqz To: WanderlodgeForum@ Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:38:50 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Greg Young
I didn't know there was other Burningman events? I would love to visit a bunch of National parks but the nudist venu would only prove me to be a liar. Greg of Tim&Greg 94ptca > Greg > Halfway through a six month tour of the continent trying to hit as many Burning Man events, National Parks and Nudist Camps as possible! > Currently Kalispell MT > 1986 PT-40 > > Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. > -Kirpal Venanji > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: trekkersmith1 > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:45:10 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > Morey, > My Streetpilot 7200 doesn't have ability to plan for clearances, or even alert for them, as far as I can tell. I do have that feature with my Delorme Road Atlas using one of the DiscoveryOwnersGrou p add-in files. Can you give more specifics? > Thanks, > Gary > SOB > bbirdmaps #66 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Morey Zuber" > > > > We purchased a Garmin Streetpilot 7200 (7" screen built for truckers and RVers) on Amazon for $428. It has a vehicle setting for trucks or buses, which protects from low bridges. Sits on dash with a bean bag and visible to driver & copilot. > > > > MoreyZ > > 99LXi > > Fulltiming from Green Cove Springs, FL > > Current Location http://www.bbirdmap > > > |
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08-05-2009, 07:46
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Hey Greg, What a way to do business. More paper than work product. Was in SFO last week & know for a fact that I broke a bunch of your laws & regulations. Was able to escape before they caught up to me though. Terry Neal Bozeman MT 82PT40 74FC34 timvasqz wrote:
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08-05-2009, 13:19
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Hi Greg
We are in Bath ME. and heading for the Maritimes. Yes, good homework on the low bridges is essential. In R.I. we were near many tressels less than 11 feet. Scary sometimes even when we check everything. Glad to hear all is ok. Any plans to attend any rallys in the east? Dan Sunderland 450 LXi San Marcos, CA On travel throughout the country --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Greg Young > > After seeing this discussion this morning I ran a simple unscientific test on our StreetPilot 7200. We were driving through Glacier NP in our tow car with the GPS. I had left it set for Truck and Prefer Fastest Time. With those settings it routed us around Going to the Sun Hwy, a slow park road with low clearances and maximum 21 foot total vehicle (inc. tow vehicle) length. I then changed the settings to Car, leaving it on Prefer Fastest Time. No change in the routing. Then I changed it to Prefer Shorter Distance, leaving it on Car, and it took us on the park road. That makes sense because Going to the Sun is far fewer miles than routing around the NP on highways. So far, so good. > > Then, leaving it on Shorter Distance, I changed it back to Bus, and then to Truck. In both cases it still routed us through the park on Going to the Sun Hwy! Had we been in the Bird we'd have run into a 9 foot tall tunnel and gotten stuck going around a hairpin turn. It had no data whatsoever about the length or height restrictions, or if it did, the Bus and Truck settings did not utilize them to route us around a road that would have been completely impossible for a 40 foot three axle 21 ton vehicle. > > Don't know that this proves anything - maybe the data was simply incomplete for that road - but I have learned to not trust the GPS for much of anything off the interstates. I still use it - it makes a great digital speedometer! - but I read the maps and guides first before I drive anywhere! > > BTW, when we got to our campground in Kalispell (Glacier Pines) there was a newer LXi a couple of spaces down. No one home when we walked by, and it's gone now. Anyone here? > > Greg > Halfway through a six month tour of the continent trying to hit as many Burning Man events, National Parks and Nudist Camps as possible! > Currently Kalispell MT > 1986 PT-40 > > Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. > -Kirpal Venanji > > > > > ________________________________ > From: trekkersmith1 > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:45:10 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > Morey, > My Streetpilot 7200 doesn't have ability to plan for clearances, or even alert for them, as far as I can tell. I do have that feature with my Delorme Road Atlas using one of the DiscoveryOwnersGrou p add-in files. Can you give more specifics? > Thanks, > Gary > SOB > bbirdmaps #66 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Morey Zuber" wrote: > > > > We purchased a Garmin Streetpilot 7200 (7" screen built for truckers and RVers) on Amazon for $428. It has a vehicle setting for trucks or buses, which protects from low bridges. Sits on dash with a bean bag and visible to driver & copilot. > > > > MoreyZ > > 99LXi > > Fulltiming from Green Cove Springs, FL > > Current Location http://www.bbirdmaps.com/ Location 168 > > > |
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08-07-2009, 10:14
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GPS or signs or maps... I don't go on anyroads that are nt US highways or Intrerstates or I call the Stase Police to see if there is clearance OR I DONT GO simple beeen there done that ...I hate to un hook and turn around in a 50 ft area that is dirt
Scooter 2000 LX Ocqueoc, MI To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com From: gregy1@... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:40:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges After seeing this discussion this morning I ran a simple unscientific test on our StreetPilot 7200. We were driving through Glacier NP in our tow car with the GPS. I had left it set for Truck and Prefer Fastest Time. With those settings it routed us around Going to the Sun Hwy, a slow park road with low clearances and maximum 21 foot total vehicle (inc. tow vehicle) length. I then changed the settings to Car, leaving it on Prefer Fastest Time. No change in the routing. Then I changed it to Prefer Shorter Distance, leaving it on Car, and it took us on the park road. That makes sense because Going to the Sun is far fewer miles than routing around the NP on highways. So far, so good.
Then, leaving it on Shorter Distance, I changed it back to Bus, and then to Truck. In both cases it still routed us through the park on Going to the Sun Hwy! Had we been in the Bird we'd have run into a 9 foot tall tunnel and gotten stuck going around a hairpin turn. It had no data whatsoever about the length or height restrictions, or if it did, the Bus and Truck settings did not utilize them to route us around a road that would have been completely impossible for a 40 foot three axle 21 ton vehicle. Don't know that this proves anything - maybe the data was simply incomplete for that road - but I have learned to not trust the GPS for much of anything off the interstates. I still use it - it makes a great digital speedometer! - but I read the maps and guides first before I drive anywhere! BTW, when we got to our campground in Kalispell (Glacier Pines) there was a newer LXi a couple of spaces down. No one home when we walked by, and it's gone now. Anyone here? Greg Halfway through a six month tour of the continent trying to hit as many Burning Man events, National Parks and Nudist Camps as possible! Currently Kalispell MT 1986 PT-40 Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. -Kirpal Venanji From: trekkersmith1 To: WanderlodgeForum@ Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:45:10 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges Morey, My Streetpilot 7200 doesn't have ability to plan for clearances, or even alert for them, as far as I can tell. I do have that feature with my Delorme Road Atlas using one of the DiscoveryOwnersGrou p add-in files. Can you give more specifics? Thanks, Gary SOB bbirdmaps #66 --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Morey Zuber" > > We purchased a Garmin Streetpilot 7200 (7" screen built for truckers and RVers) on Amazon for $428. It has a vehicle setting for trucks or buses, which protects from low bridges. Sits on dash with a bean bag and visible to driver & copilot. > > MoreyZ > 99LXi > Fulltiming from Green Cove Springs, FL > Current Location http://www.bbirdmap > |
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08-09-2009, 08:35
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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Al Scudder
> > I went to work roll'n a big truck. I use Garman Nuvi 465T. Works well but what works fir sure is a $29.95 Motor Carriers Road Atlas by Rand McNally available at TA or Pilot. Cross check the GPS with the Atlas and you will not top out the bus. All low clearances are in there. Then read the road signs. Simple N Easy. Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors Dahlonega, GA Currently in Indy > GPS or signs or maps... I don't go on anyroads that are nt US highways or Intrerstates or I call the Stase Police to see if there is clearance OR I DONT GO simple beeen there done that ...I hate to un hook and turn around in a 50 ft area that is dirt > > Scooter 2000 LX > Ocqueoc, MI > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > From: gregy1@... > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:40:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > > > > > After seeing this discussion this morning I ran a simple unscientific test on our StreetPilot 7200. We were driving through Glacier NP in our tow car with the GPS. I had left it set for Truck and Prefer Fastest Time. With those settings it routed us around Going to the Sun Hwy, a slow park road with low clearances and maximum 21 foot total vehicle (inc. tow vehicle) length. I then changed the settings to Car, leaving it on Prefer Fastest Time. No change in the routing. Then I changed it to Prefer Shorter Distance, leaving it on Car, and it took us on the park road. That makes sense because Going to the Sun is far fewer miles than routing around the NP on highways. So far, so good. > > Then, leaving it on Shorter Distance, I changed it back to Bus, and then to Truck. In both cases it still routed us through the park on Going to the Sun Hwy! Had we been in the Bird we'd have run into a 9 foot tall tunnel and gotten stuck going around a hairpin turn. It had no data whatsoever about the length or height restrictions, or if it did, the Bus and Truck settings did not utilize them to route us around a road that would have been completely impossible for a 40 foot three axle 21 ton vehicle. > > Don't know that this proves anything - maybe the data was simply incomplete for that road - but I have learned to not trust the GPS for much of anything off the interstates. I still use it - it makes a great digital speedometer! - but I read the maps and guides first before I drive anywhere! > > BTW, when we got to our campground in Kalispell (Glacier Pines) there was a newer LXi a couple of spaces down. No one home when we walked by, and it's gone now. Anyone here? > > Greg > Halfway through a six month tour of the continent trying to hit as many Burning Man events, National Parks and Nudist Camps as possible! > Currently Kalispell MT > 1986 PT-40 > > Each time you judge yourself you break your heart. > -Kirpal Venanji > > > > > > > From: trekkersmith1 > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:45:10 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Low Bridges > > > > Morey, > My Streetpilot 7200 doesn't have ability to plan for clearances, or even alert for them, as far as I can tell. I do have that feature with my Delorme Road Atlas using one of the DiscoveryOwnersGrou p add-in files. Can you give more specifics? > Thanks, > Gary > SOB > bbirdmaps #66 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Morey Zuber" wrote: > > > > We purchased a Garmin Streetpilot 7200 (7" screen built for truckers and RVers) on Amazon for $428. It has a vehicle setting for trucks or buses, which protects from low bridges. Sits on dash with a bean bag and visible to driver & copilot. > > > > MoreyZ > > 99LXi > > Fulltiming from Green Cove Springs, FL > > Current Location http://www.bbirdmaps.com/ Location 168 > > > |
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