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LXi on Ebay: 170223989793
05-31-2008, 09:06
Post: #11
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793
Yes, someone got a good one, cheap. Beautiful coach.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

David Brady wrote:
Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with
the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One
can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the
2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K
for each model year newer.

David
'02 LXi, NC

David Brady wrote:
Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality model)
Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too
late to return that Monaco?

David,
'02 LXi, (low quality model)

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05-31-2008, 09:45
Post: #12
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793

Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with

the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One

can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the

2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K

for each model year newer.



David

'02 LXi, NC



David Brady wrote:


Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality model)

Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too

late to return that Monaco?



David,

'02 LXi, (low quality model)



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05-31-2008, 13:00
Post: #13
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793
I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends to put coaches up on eBay at very
aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em
out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA



On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:

> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with
> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One
> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the
> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K
> for each model year newer.
>
> David
> '02 LXi, NC
>
> David Brady wrote:
>>
>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality model)
>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too
>> late to return that Monaco?
>>
>> David,
>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)
>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version:
>> 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.2/1471 - Release Date: 5/28/2008
>> 5:33 PM
>
>
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05-31-2008, 14:53
Post: #14
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793

I'd agree Pete, but in this case the LXi had no history of lingering

on his lot, at least not from my frequent visits to his website. This

LXi was priced to move by it's owner, probably via consignment.



David,

'02 LXi, NC



Pete Masterson wrote:


I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends to put coaches up on eBay at very

aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em

out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.



Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

"aeonix1%40mac.com"

On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA



On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:



> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with

> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One

> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the

> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K

> for each model year newer.

>

> David

> '02 LXi, NC

>

> David Brady wrote:

>>

>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality
model)

>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too

>> late to return that Monaco?

>>

>> David,

>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)

>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.
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5/28/2008

>> 5:33 PM

>

>





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05-31-2008, 15:17
Post: #15
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793
Well, at least now I know what it would take to sell mine immediately. Thanks for lowering my comps, Paul!

I would say that coach was real close to mine but lacking in woodwork and...it was green. Someone who likes that green got a deal.

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...




To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: dmb993@...
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793


I'd agree Pete, but in this case the LXi had no history of lingering
on his lot, at least not from my frequent visits to his website. This
LXi was priced to move by it's owner, probably via consignment.

David,
'02 LXi, NC

Pete Masterson wrote:


I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends to put coaches up on eBay at very
aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em
out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
"aeonix1@mac.com"
On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA

On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:

> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with
> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One
> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the
> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K
> for each model year newer.
>
> David
> '02 LXi, NC
>
> David Brady wrote:
>>
>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality model)
>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too
>> late to return that Monaco?
>>
>> David,
>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)
>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version:
>> 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.2/1471 - Release Date: 5/28/2008
>> 5:33 PM
>
>



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05-31-2008, 17:32
Post: #16
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793

Brad,



I just viewed your coach on RvTraderOnline. You gotta take a lesson

from Paul and get some better photos. Your photos don't bring

out the beauty that I know your coach possesses. The shot

looking forward into the solon is simply too dark, and for

heaven sakes, open that slide! If your gonna sell you gotta market

that puppy!.



David

'02 LXi, NC



brad barton wrote:


Well, at least now I know what it would take to sell mine
immediately. Thanks for lowering my comps, Paul!

I would say that coach was real close to mine but lacking in woodwork
and...it was green. Someone who likes that green got a deal.



BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com






To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

From: dmb993@earthlink.net

Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:50 -0500

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793



I'd agree Pete, but in this case the LXi had
no history of lingering

on his lot, at least not from my frequent visits to his website. This

LXi was priced to move by it's owner, probably via consignment.



David,

'02 LXi, NC



Pete Masterson wrote:


I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends to put coaches up on eBay at
very

aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em

out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.



Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA



On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:



> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with

> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One

> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the

> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K

> for each model year newer.

>

> David

> '02 LXi, NC

>

> David Brady wrote:

>>

>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality
model)

>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too

>> late to return that Monaco?

>>>> David,

>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)

>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.
Version:

>> 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.2/1471 - Release Date:
5/28/2008

>> 5:33 PM

>

>







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06-01-2008, 01:54
Post: #17
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793
David,

You're right, of course. Trader online gave me just a dozen shots and I loaded one twice by mistake. Their system was very frustrating..took me several attempts to load what I loaded. Part of it is I only half-want to sell and you know what that results in. If I decide to consign it with Paul, they'll do it right. Otherwise, I might load some new shots.

The anti-sway bar is out.Ryan (Paul Davis'young service manager) said the body roll was a little 'un-nerving' on corners. He wants me to drive it Monday to make sure that's what I want. As long as my 'road-leveling' valves are working properly, they should pump up the low side and counteract the roll up front to some extent, right?

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...




To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: dmb993@...
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:32:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793


Brad,

I just viewed your coach on RvTraderOnline. You gotta take a lesson
from Paul and get some better photos. Your photos don't bring
out the beauty that I know your coach possesses. The shot
looking forward into the solon is simply too dark, and for
heaven sakes, open that slide! If your gonna sell you gotta market
that puppy!.

David
'02 LXi, NC

brad barton wrote:


Well, at least now I know what it would take to sell mine immediately. Thanks for lowering my comps, Paul!
I would say that coach was real close to mine but lacking in woodwork and...it was green. Someone who likes that green got a deal.

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com





To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: dmb993@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793


I'd agree Pete, but in this case the LXi had no history of lingering
on his lot, at least not from my frequent visits to his website. This
LXi was priced to move by it's owner, probably via consignment.

David,
'02 LXi, NC

Pete Masterson wrote:
I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends to put coaches up on eBay at very
aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em
out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
"aeonix1@mac.com"
On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA

On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:

> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with
> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One
> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the
> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K
> for each model year newer.
>
> David
> '02 LXi, NC
>
> David Brady wrote:
>>
>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality model)
>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too
>> late to return that Monaco?
>>>> David,
>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)
>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version:
>> 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.2/1471 - Release Date: 5/28/2008
>> 5:33 PM
>
>




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06-01-2008, 04:01
Post: #18
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793

Sort of, the front leveler is in the middle of the front axle, so it

won't pump up the outside front air bags. The front air bags are

connected to each other - air flows freely from side to side. The

center of the front axle should on average be at the height selected

by the front leveler.



The 2 rear levelers are on each side of the axle and the airbags on

the left aren't connected to the right. It's the rear levelers that keep

the coach vertical. In theory the outside leveler should flow air to

the outside bags in a corner thereby righting the bus, but the air

lines are small and the pressure differentials aren't great so it takes

time to inflate.



This argument also applies to the front bags. There is instantaneous

roll resistance since the air lines connecting the left and right front

bags are small, and the pressure differentials aren't great, it takes

time for the air to bleed. This means when you throw it into a turn

the front will initially resist body roll, but in a cloverleaf, this
goes
away

with time.



The original bar is so heavy that it, instead of the rear levelers, is

what's providing a lot of the work in keeping the bus vertical. The

coach, from the factory, has virtually no lean up front, but the ride

quality is destroyed in the process.



W/o the bar, it'll lean more in a turn, but it does take a set, and
after

many thousands of miles, mine is off for good. It leans Prevost style.

Take a little time with it to get used to it - try not to reject it
right away.

You can always put it back on.



As you know, I am working on a lighter weight bar, I have all the

parts and am ready to try it out. I'm the first to agree, that I think
we

can find the optimal bar in terms of ride and handling. The stock bar

is just way to stiff and has gotta go.



David

'02 LXi, NC



brad barton wrote:


David,

You're right, of course.  Trader online gave me just a dozen shots and
I loaded one twice by mistake.  Their system was very frustrating..took
me several attempts to load what I loaded.  Part of it is I only
half-want to sell and you know what that results in.  If I decide to
consign it with Paul, they'll do it right.  Otherwise, I might load
some new shots.   

The anti-sway bar is out.  Ryan (Paul Davis' young service manager)
said the body roll was a little 'un-nerving' on corners.  He wants me
to drive it Monday to make sure that's what I want.  As long as my
'road-leveling' valves are working properly, they should pump up the
low side and counteract the roll up front to some extent, right?



Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com






To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

From: dmb993@earthlink.net

Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:32:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793



Brad,



I just viewed your coach on RvTraderOnline. You gotta take a lesson

from Paul and get some better photos. Your photos don't bring

out the beauty that I know your coach possesses. The shot

looking forward into the solon is simply too dark, and for

heaven sakes, open that slide! If your gonna sell you gotta market

that puppy!.



David

'02 LXi, NC



brad barton wrote:


Well, at least now I know what it would take to sell mine
immediately.  Thanks for lowering my comps, Paul!

I would say that coach was real close to mine but lacking in woodwork
and...it was green.  Someone who likes that green got a deal.



Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com








To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

From: dmb993@earthlink.net

Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:50 -0500

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793



I'd agree Pete, but in this case the
LXi had no history of lingering

on his lot, at least not from my frequent visits to his website. This

LXi was priced to move by it's owner, probably via consignment.



David,

'02 LXi, NC



Pete Masterson wrote:
I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends to
put coaches up on eBay at very

aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em

out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.



Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA



On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:



> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with

> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One

> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the

> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K

> for each model year newer.

>

> David

> '02 LXi, NC

>

> David Brady wrote:

>>

>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality
model)

>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too

>> late to return that Monaco?

>>>> David,

>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)

>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.
Version:

>> 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.2/1471 - Release Date:
5/28/2008

>> 5:33 PM

>

>









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06-01-2008, 08:48
Post: #19
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793

Brad,



I want to emphasize that what we're attempting to eliminate

primarily is the porpoising, which I think is peculiar just to the LXi,

and which results in violent to-and-fro weight transfer which may

overload both the front air bags and the front tires. I can say

unequivocally that removing the anti-sway bar cures this problem. I

haven't experienced any LXi moments since the bar was removed.

A secondary benefit is that ride quality in general is improved. This

comes at the expense of razor sharp handling. The handling sans

bar is still good, but it's not the slot-car like handling we had
before.

It now handles like an of the WLWB's of the '90s. I'm attempting to

bring some of the handling back with a lighter weight front bar. (500

lb/in instead of 4000 lb/in). If you're interested I can share some

of my calculations regarding how I arrived at 500 lb/in.



David

'02 LXi, NC



David Brady wrote:


Sort of, the front leveler is in the middle of the front axle, so
it

won't pump up the outside front air bags. The front air bags are

connected to each other - air flows freely from side to side. The

center of the front axle should on average be at the height selected

by the front leveler.



The 2 rear levelers are on each side of the axle and the airbags on

the left aren't connected to the right. It's the rear levelers that keep

the coach vertical. In theory the outside leveler should flow air to

the outside bags in a corner thereby righting the bus, but the air

lines are small and the pressure differentials aren't great so it takes

time to inflate.



This argument also applies to the front bags. There is instantaneous

roll resistance since the air lines connecting the left and right front

bags are small, and the pressure differentials aren't great, it takes

time for the air to bleed. This means when you throw it into a turn

the front will initially resist body roll, but in a cloverleaf, this
goes
away

with time.



The original bar is so heavy that it, instead of the rear levelers, is

what's providing a lot of the work in keeping the bus vertical. The

coach, from the factory, has virtually no lean up front, but the ride

quality is destroyed in the process.



W/o the bar, it'll lean more in a turn, but it does take a set, and
after

many thousands of miles, mine is off for good. It leans Prevost style.

Take a little time with it to get used to it - try not to reject it
right away.

You can always put it back on.



As you know, I am working on a lighter weight bar, I have all the

parts and am ready to try it out. I'm the first to agree, that I think
we

can find the optimal bar in terms of ride and handling. The stock bar

is just way to stiff and has gotta go.



David

'02 LXi, NC



brad barton wrote:



David,

You're right, of course.  Trader online gave me just a dozen shots and
I loaded one twice by mistake.  Their system was very frustrating..took
me several attempts to load what I loaded.  Part of it is I only
half-want to sell and you know what that results in.  If I decide to
consign it with Paul, they'll do it right.  Otherwise, I might load
some new shots.   

The anti-sway bar is out.  Ryan (Paul Davis' young service manager)
said the body roll was a little 'un-nerving' on corners.  He wants me
to drive it Monday to make sure that's what I want.  As long as my
'road-leveling' valves are working properly, they should pump up the
low side and counteract the roll up front to some extent, right?



Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com






To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

From: dmb993@earthlink.net

Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:32:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793



Brad,



I just viewed your coach on RvTraderOnline. You gotta take a lesson

from Paul and get some better photos. Your photos don't bring

out the beauty that I know your coach possesses. The shot

looking forward into the solon is simply too dark, and for

heaven sakes, open that slide! If your gonna sell you gotta market

that puppy!.



David

'02 LXi, NC



brad barton wrote:


Well, at least now I know what it would take to sell mine
immediately.  Thanks for lowering my comps, Paul!

I would say that coach was real close to mine but lacking in woodwork
and...it was green.  Someone who likes that green got a deal.



Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com








To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

From: dmb993@earthlink.net

Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:50 -0500

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793



I'd agree Pete, but in this case
the
LXi had no history of lingering

on his lot, at least not from my frequent visits to his website. This

LXi was priced to move by it's owner, probably via consignment.



David,

'02 LXi, NC



Pete Masterson wrote:
I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends
to
put coaches up on eBay at very

aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em

out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.



Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA



On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:



> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with

> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One

> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the

> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K

> for each model year newer.

>

> David

> '02 LXi, NC

>

> David Brady wrote:

>>

>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality
model)

>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too

>> late to return that Monaco?

>>>> David,

>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)

>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.
Version:

>> 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.2/1471 - Release Date:
5/28/2008

>> 5:33 PM

>

>









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Checked by AVG.
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06-02-2008, 01:02
Post: #20
LXi on Ebay: 170223989793
I'm anxious to try it. Unless I'm real uncomfortable, I'll leave it off for my entire trip this weekend to give it a full trial.

Your idea of a thinner bar sounds very appealing..best of both worlds..or at least some balance of forces.

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...




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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:48:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793


Brad,

I want to emphasize that what we're attempting to eliminate
primarily is the porpoising, which I think is peculiar just to the LXi,
and which results in violent to-and-fro weight transfer which may
overload both the front air bags and the front tires. I can say
unequivocally that removing the anti-sway bar cures this problem. I
haven't experienced any LXi moments since the bar was removed.
A secondary benefit is that ride quality in general is improved. This
comes at the expense of razor sharp handling. The handling sans
bar is still good, but it's not the slot-car like handling we had before.
It now handles like an of the WLWB's of the '90s. I'm attempting to
bring some of the handling back with a lighter weight front bar. (500
lb/in instead of 4000 lb/in). If you're interested I can share some
of my calculations regarding how I arrived at 500 lb/in.

David
'02 LXi, NC

David Brady wrote:


Sort of, the front leveler is in the middle of the front axle, so it
won't pump up the outside front air bags. The front air bags are
connected to each other - air flows freely from side to side. The
center of the front axle should on average be at the height selected
by the front leveler.

The 2 rear levelers are on each side of the axle and the airbags on
the left aren't connected to the right. It's the rear levelers that keep
the coach vertical. In theory the outside leveler should flow air to
the outside bags in a corner thereby righting the bus, but the air
lines are small and the pressure differentials aren't great so it takes
time to inflate.

This argument also applies to the front bags. There is instantaneous
roll resistance since the air lines connecting the left and right front
bags are small, and the pressure differentials aren't great, it takes
time for the air to bleed. This means when you throw it into a turn
the front will initially resist body roll, but in a cloverleaf, this goes away
with time.

The original bar is so heavy that it, instead of the rear levelers, is
what's providing a lot of the work in keeping the bus vertical. The
coach, from the factory, has virtually no lean up front, but the ride
quality is destroyed in the process.

W/o the bar, it'll lean more in a turn, but it does take a set, and after
many thousands of miles, mine is off for good. It leans Prevost style.
Take a little time with it to get used to it - try not to reject it right away.
You can always put it back on.

As you know, I am working on a lighter weight bar, I have all the
parts and am ready to try it out. I'm the first to agree, that I think we
can find the optimal bar in terms of ride and handling. The stock bar
is just way to stiff and has gotta go.

David
'02 LXi, NC

brad barton wrote:

David,
You're right, of course. Trader online gave me just a dozen shots and I loaded one twice by mistake. Their system was very frustrating..took me several attempts to load what I loaded. Part of it is I only half-want to sell and you know what that results in. If I decide to consign it with Paul, they'll do it right. Otherwise, I might load some new shots.
The anti-sway bar is out.Ryan (Paul Davis'young service manager) said the body roll was a little 'un-nerving' on corners. He wants me to drive it Monday to make sure that's what I want. As long as my 'road-leveling' valves are working properly, they should pump up the low side and counteract the roll up front to some extent, right?

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com





To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: dmb993@earthlink.net
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:32:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793


Brad,

I just viewed your coach on RvTraderOnline. You gotta take a lesson
from Paul and get some better photos. Your photos don't bring
out the beauty that I know your coach possesses. The shot
looking forward into the solon is simply too dark, and for
heaven sakes, open that slide! If your gonna sell you gotta market
that puppy!.

David
'02 LXi, NC

brad barton wrote:
Well, at least now I know what it would take to sell mine immediately. Thanks for lowering my comps, Paul!
I would say that coach was real close to mine but lacking in woodwork and...it was green. Someone who likes that green got a deal.

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com






To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: dmb993@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] LXi on Ebay: 170223989793


I'd agree Pete, but in this case the LXi had no history of lingering
on his lot, at least not from my frequent visits to his website. This
LXi was priced to move by it's owner, probably via consignment.

David,
'02 LXi, NC

Pete Masterson wrote:
I'll note that Mr. Oliver tends to put coaches up on eBay at very
aggressive prices. After a certain time on his lot, he "moves 'em
out" -- I got an excellent buy on my coach under similar circumstances.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
"aeonix1@mac.com"
On the road at CCW in Riverside, CA

On May 31, 2008, at 2:45 PM, David Brady wrote:

> Sold at $199.5K. The item has been closed by ebay with
> the notation: "This item has ended with Buy it Now". One
> can safely assume that it was under priced. I'd place the
> 2000 at a fair market value of $225K to $250K. Add $20K
> for each model year newer.
>
> David
> '02 LXi, NC
>
> David Brady wrote:
>>
>> Mr Oliver just listed a '00 Single Slide LXi (high quality model)
>> Millennium for a buy it now price of $199,500. Bruce, is it too
>> late to return that Monaco?
>>>> David,
>> '02 LXi, (low quality model)
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