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02-27-2007, 15:22
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Dump Valve Rebuild?
make sure you turn on the block heater- less smoke- same noise~
Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston,Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Neal To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Dump Valve Rebuild? Will do Ernie. I bought a Senco dual tank model for the Bird. Nice & small, 120 volt. Kellie won't let me start the Detroit until I go outside & warn anyone within 50 yards or so. This should solve that problem. Terry Neal Bozeman, MT 82PT40 6V92TA 74FC34 6V53T ernieekberg@... wrote: > Terry- let me know how you plumb in your aux air compressor. It takes > me forever to build air and I would like to be able to leave sooner > then before- especially if this river rises too fast on spring thaw. > Ernie Ekberg > 83PT40 > Livingston,Montana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Neal > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Dump Valve Rebuild? > > I don't have air valves Pete. I just mentioned them so Keith could > consider them as an option. I know there are electric valves out there > too. Believe they are 12 volt. > > I don't see why you can't power your waste valves from your aux air > system if your aux compressor is plumbed into your coach air system? > Should be an easy modification for your coach I think. > > That's what most people are doing with an aux compressor anyway so you > don't have to fire up that big diesel to have air to leave a campground > or to dump your holding tanks. > > I have an aux compressor that I will plumb into my coach air system so I > won't kill any neighbors on a cold Detroit start up. > > Terry Neal > Bozeman, MT > 82PT40 6V92TA > 74FC34 6V53T > > Pete Masterson wrote: > > > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention the > > &^%^&% air valves ... > > > > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, especially > > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run a > > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage. > > > > So, does anybody know if > > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the auxiliary > > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and will > > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently operate > > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or > > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of > > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't > > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close > > enough to the sewage as it is... > > > > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on > > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have > > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up' to > > do a dump. > > > > Pete Masterson > > aeonix1@... > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > > El Sobrante, CA > > > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote: > > > > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products > > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock as > > > well as > > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if that > > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If you > > > get > > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out easily. If > > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new one in. > > > > > > Terry Neal > > > Bozeman, MT > > > 82PT40 6V92TA > > > 74FC34 6V53T > > > > > > > > > Keith Strehle wrote: > > > > > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the twist lock > > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like the > > >> Dupree > > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies glued in? > > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate > > >> assembly? > > >> > > >> Thanks, Keith > > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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02-27-2007, 15:35
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No MORE "twist and turn"....NO MORE "pump up the air"...just install...DRAINMASTER DOT COM 12 VOLT ELECTRIC DUMP VALVES...I PUT THEM ON BOTH my birds..80FC31 & 90SP36...love em!..ask for JIM at drainmaster.com Regards, Hank Hannigan 90SP36..LOL In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > make sure you turn on the block heater- less smoke- same noise~ > Ernie Ekberg > 83PT40 > Livingston,Montana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Neal > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Dump Valve Rebuild? > > > Will do Ernie. I bought a Senco dual tank model for the Bird. Nice & > small, 120 volt. > > Kellie won't let me start the Detroit until I go outside & warn anyone > within 50 yards or so. This should solve that problem. > > Terry Neal > Bozeman, MT > 82PT40 6V92TA > 74FC34 6V53T > > ernieekberg@... wrote: > > > Terry- let me know how you plumb in your aux air compressor. It takes > > me forever to build air and I would like to be able to leave sooner > > then before- especially if this river rises too fast on spring thaw. > > Ernie Ekberg > > 83PT40 > > Livingston,Montana > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Neal > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Dump Valve Rebuild? > > > > I don't have air valves Pete. I just mentioned them so Keith could > > consider them as an option. I know there are electric valves out there > > too. Believe they are 12 volt. > > > > I don't see why you can't power your waste valves from your aux air > > system if your aux compressor is plumbed into your coach air system? > > Should be an easy modification for your coach I think. > > > > That's what most people are doing with an aux compressor anyway so you > > don't have to fire up that big diesel to have air to leave a campground > > or to dump your holding tanks. > > > > I have an aux compressor that I will plumb into my coach air system so I > > won't kill any neighbors on a cold Detroit start up. > > > > Terry Neal > > Bozeman, MT > > 82PT40 6V92TA > > 74FC34 6V53T > > > > Pete Masterson wrote: > > > > > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention the > > > &^%^&% air valves ... > > > > > > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, especially > > > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run a > > > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage. > > > > > > So, does anybody know if > > > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the auxiliary > > > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and will > > > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently operate > > > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or > > > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of > > > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't > > > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close > > > enough to the sewage as it is... > > > > > > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on > > > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have > > > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up' to > > > do a dump. > > > > > > Pete Masterson > > > aeonix1@... > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > > > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote: > > > > > > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products > > > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock as > > > > well as > > > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if that > > > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If you > > > > get > > > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out easily. If > > > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new one in. > > > > > > > > Terry Neal > > > > Bozeman, MT > > > > 82PT40 6V92TA > > > > 74FC34 6V53T > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith Strehle wrote: > > > > > > > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the twist lock > > > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like the > > > >> Dupree > > > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies glued in? > > > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate > > > >> assembly? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, Keith > > > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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02-27-2007, 16:46
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Pete can you use the Microphor pump to open the dump valves????
GregoryO'Connor 94ptRomolandCa --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" > > Sounds like you have an electric-only Microphor (as I do) instead of one of the ones with air assist? > > On 2/28/2007 at 2:00 AM Gregory OConnor wrote: > > >Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet > >what ever that is all about????. > > > Don Bradner > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > Eureka, CA > |
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02-27-2007, 17:42
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Pete,
I have two compressors; one dedicated to the Michrophor toilet that runs off the house batteries and an auxiliary compressor the runs off 110 volt shore power or generator. The auxiliary generator, with a switch on the right side of the steering wheel, second row from the top, will inflate brakes, air bags and Dupree valves without running the Series 60. Sometimes after a long time at rest, it is faster to run the Series 60 to air up instead of waiting 30 - 45 minutes. I know I have some air leaks that I will be addressing at the next service visit. Tom McCarthy same coach, same layout, same year --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor" > > Pete can you use the Microphor pump to open the dump valves???? > GregoryO'Connor > 94ptRomolandCa > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" > > > > > Sounds like you have an electric-only Microphor (as I do) instead > of one of the ones with air assist? > > > > On 2/28/2007 at 2:00 AM Gregory OConnor wrote: > > > > >Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet > > >what ever that is all about????. > > > > > > Don Bradner > > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > > Eureka, CA > > > |
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02-28-2007, 01:49
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I have the electric Microphor toliet on my 93, (They use the
electric model if the holding tank is directly under the stool) I have the onboard aux. compressor which is used for opening the waste valves (usually along with the help of the DUPREE VALVE TOOL , this is something you can't be without. Also something to keep in mind is that the drier valve on the clothes drier needs air to open. The red light being on when it's in the open position is indicating only the POSITION OF THE SWITCH. If you notice your clothes taking forever to dry, visually check the position of the drier valve and see if it's in the OPEN position with the red light on...This is how it work's on my 93pt-40, your's might be different! Bob 93pt40 > > Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet > what ever that is all about????. > > GregoryO'Connor > 94ptRomolandCa > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@> > wrote: > > > > OK, I'll bite. You don't have an aux air compressor that pre- loads > > your chassis air tanks, which is then used to power the dump > valves? > > That's the way my 91 works. I thought all the late 80s and up had > that?? > > > > Mike Bulriss > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" > > San Antonio, TX > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson > > wrote: > > > > > > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention > the > > > &^%^&% air valves ... > > > > > > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, > especially > > > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run > a > > > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage. > > > > > > So, does anybody know if > > > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the > auxiliary > > > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and > will > > > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently > operate > > > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or > > > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of > > > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly > don't > > > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are > close > > > enough to the sewage as it is... > > > > > > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump > on > > > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I > have > > > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up' > to > > > do a dump. > > > > > > Pete Masterson > > > aeonix1@ > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > > > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote: > > > > > > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products > > > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock > as > > > > well as > > > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if > that > > > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If > you > > > > get > > > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out > easily. If > > > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new > one in. > > > > > > > > Terry Neal > > > > Bozeman, MT > > > > 82PT40 6V92TA > > > > 74FC34 6V53T > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith Strehle wrote: > > > > > > > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the > twist lock > > > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like > the > > > >> Dupree > > > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies > glued in? > > > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate > > > >> assembly? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, Keith > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > |
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02-28-2007, 04:02
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You just need to add an auxiliary compressor. My 92 coach came with
one and it is convenient. In an older BB I added a pancake compressor that I purchased from Sears and it worked just fine. Just make sure you go in before your spitter valve and filter. R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson wrote: > > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention the > &^%^&% air valves ... > > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, especially > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run a > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage. > > So, does anybody know if > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the auxiliary > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and will > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently operate > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close > enough to the sewage as it is... > > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up' to > do a dump. > > Pete Masterson > aeonix1@... > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote: > > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock as > > well as > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if that > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If you > > get > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out easily. If > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new one in. > > > > Terry Neal > > Bozeman, MT > > 82PT40 6V92TA > > 74FC34 6V53T > > > > > > Keith Strehle wrote: > > > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the twist lock > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like the > >> Dupree > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies glued in? > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate > >> assembly? > >> > >> Thanks, Keith > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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02-28-2007, 04:25
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Bob , Thanks. My floorplan also allow you to position the stool just
above the holding tank. The dryer vent info is good to know. I gave up trying to dry in the washer/dryer now I know the problem. Thanks GregoryO'Connor 94ptRomolandCa --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob & Carol Howald`" > > > I have the electric Microphor toliet on my 93, (They use the > electric model if the holding tank is directly under the stool) I > have the onboard aux. compressor which is used for opening the waste > valves (usually along with the help of the DUPREE VALVE TOOL , this > is something you can't be without. Also something to keep in mind is > that the drier valve on the clothes drier needs air to open. The red > light being on when it's in the open position is indicating only the > POSITION OF THE SWITCH. If you notice your clothes taking forever to > dry, visually check the position of the drier valve and see if it's > in the OPEN position with the red light on...This is how it work's on > my 93pt-40, your's might be different! Bob 93pt40 > > > > > Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet > > what ever that is all about????. > > > > GregoryO'Connor > > 94ptRomolandCa > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@> > > wrote: > > > > > > OK, I'll bite. You don't have an aux air compressor that pre- > loads > > > your chassis air tanks, which is then used to power the dump > > valves? > > > That's the way my 91 works. I thought all the late 80s and up > had > > that?? > > > > > > Mike Bulriss > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" > > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you > mention > > the > > > > &^%^&% air valves ... > > > > > > > > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, > > especially > > > > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to > run > > a > > > > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage. > > > > > > > > So, does anybody know if > > > > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the > > auxiliary > > > > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and > > will > > > > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently > > operate > > > > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or > > > > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of > > > > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly > > don't > > > > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are > > close > > > > enough to the sewage as it is... > > > > > > > > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump > > on > > > > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I > > have > > > > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired > up' > > to > > > > do a dump. > > > > > > > > Pete Masterson > > > > aeonix1@ > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > > > > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote: > > > > > > > > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products > > > > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock > > as > > > > > well as > > > > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves > if > > that > > > > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. > If > > you > > > > > get > > > > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out > > easily. If > > > > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a > new > > one in. > > > > > > > > > > Terry Neal > > > > > Bozeman, MT > > > > > 82PT40 6V92TA > > > > > 74FC34 6V53T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith Strehle wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the > > twist lock > > > > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like > > the > > > > >> Dupree > > > > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies > > glued in? > > > > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the > gate > > > > >> assembly? > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, Keith > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > |
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02-28-2007, 06:44
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_That's_ my question... can I? Is the Microphor compressor up to the
task? Pete Masterson aeonix1@... '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' El Sobrante, CA On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Gregory OConnor wrote: > Pete can you use the Microphor pump to open the dump valves???? > GregoryO'Connor > 94ptRomolandCa > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" > >> >> Sounds like you have an electric-only Microphor (as I do) instead > of one of the ones with air assist? >> >> On 2/28/2007 at 2:00 AM Gregory OConnor wrote: >> >>> Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet >>> what ever that is all about????. >> >> >> Don Bradner >> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" >> Eureka, CA >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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02-28-2007, 06:57
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Don,
Your electric Microphor has a nifty pushbutton rather than a handle, right? I built the toilet surround cabinets and didn't have room for the original handle. FYI: Microphor makes both air and electric toilets for a reason; the electric dumps straight down into the tank where the air assist is designed to allow more freedom in the installation. It dumps into a "hopper" then the valve closes and air pressure pushes the waste from the hopper toward the tank through a 1 1/2" drain pipe. The air model can be mounted several feet from the black tank. I've had both and both have have always worked flawlessly. The electric has fewer parts; I like that! Rich D. '99LXi43' CT --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" > > Sounds like you have an electric-only Microphor (as I do) instead of one of the ones with air assist? > > On 2/28/2007 at 2:00 AM Gregory OConnor wrote: > > >Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet > >what ever that is all about????. > > > Don Bradner > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > Eureka, CA > |
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02-28-2007, 06:59
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Tom,
I think you have the 'deluxe' model. I only have the one Microphor compressor. I do have an "air compressor master" switch -- which is (and has been) set "on" but it doesn't seem to do anything. (I don't know if it's wired to the Microphor compressor or not as that would have taken some time to check.) Pete Masterson aeonix1@... '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' El Sobrante, CA On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Tom McCarthy wrote: > Pete, > > I have two compressors; one dedicated to the Michrophor toilet that > runs off the house batteries and an auxiliary compressor the runs off > 110 volt shore power or generator. The auxiliary generator, with a > switch on the right side of the steering wheel, second row from the > top, will inflate brakes, air bags and Dupree valves without running > the Series 60. Sometimes after a long time at rest, it is faster to > run the Series 60 to air up instead of waiting 30 - 45 minutes. I > know I have some air leaks that I will be addressing at the next > service visit. > > Tom McCarthy > same coach, same layout, same year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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