Federal smog laws GregO'Connor

[Don Bradner]

Read this in the roadside inspection law:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/hdvip/13_ccr_2180-2189.pdf

"(16) “Heavy-duty vehicle” means a motor vehicle having a manufacturer's
maximum gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) greater than 6,000 pounds,
except passenger cars."

I suspect that's the primary loophole. In California, our private coaches are
classed a "housecars" which is why they are treated as passenger cars for
registration, driver's license, etc.

I think you already noted that we are specifically exempt from the periodic
inspection requirement.

You assume because you fall under the rules that we all do. Your challenge:
document a case where this has happened with a privately registered housecar.

On 12/8/2008 at 2:06 AM timvasqz wrote:

>Curt, there are more than 8 new programs and requirements. Nov 11
>CARB meeting is only one more to make 9. No diesel engine , even a
>lawn tractor is exempt from excessive smoking now. Motorhomes may
>be exempt from Mandated Testing programs but not emissions and road
>side review.
>
>
> I can guarantee that a puff of smoke from a motorhome or pickup
>truck is going to send a pissed off trucker to the 5 digit #smog (in
>California from most cell phones) reporting line.
>
>the retrofit filter ccw has is between $10,000 and 20,000 per
>schoolbus (or who ever did the Alhambra busses charged that). The
>filter only buys time as some of the programs have other
>requirements. The Federal emissions programs are only accelerated
>in California and comming to a state near FortValley soon. I wish
>CCW was public, been just dollar cost averaging last years picks.
>would be nice to bet on a winner.
>
>I posted Links earlier but my association got Tim moderated and I
>guess my post didnt pass, maybe this one will be held up also. Tim
>shouldnt leave his Yahoo account signed on.
>GregoryO'Connor of Tim$Greg
>94ptCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> I read the same information. Our old coaches are exempt.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Don Bradner wrote:
>>
>> > Chris, because of your position you should know more about
>this than any
>> > of us, but as far as I can tell, the below is FUD. Please refer
>to an exact
>> > cite, not a massive website, if you know differently.
>> >
>> > What I find is that the ARB is meeting next week, possibly to
>adopt new
>> > regulations which can be found at
>> > http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/truckbus08/appa.pdf
>> >
>> > Pertinent info:
>> >
>> > "Adopt new section 2025, in title 13, article 4.5, chapter 1,
>California
>> > Code of Regulations
>> > (CCR) to read as follows: (Note that the entire text of section
>2025 set
>> > forth below is
>> > new language proposed to be added to the California Code of
>Regulations.)
>> > Section 2025. Regulation to Reduce Emissions of Diesel
>Particulate Matter,
>> > Oxides of Nitrogen and Other Criteria Pollutants, and Greenhouse
>> > Gases from In-Use Heavy-Duty Diesel-Fueled Vehicles"
>> >
>> > "© Exemptions
>> > This regulation does not apply to:"
>> >
>> > "(11) Motor homes for non-commercial private use."
>> >
>> > Please, please tell me how I am misreading this.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/7/2008 at 1:58 PM Chris Fogleman wrote:
>> >
>> > >Hello BB family, regarding the emission laws rthere are
>compliance date
>> > >for
>> > >various engine years , And also if the engines cant meet the
>compliance
>> > >you will need to repower are scrap , This all started with the
>federal
>> > >government. Makeing california clean up the Air quality and if
>California
>> > >cant Comply.The Federal Government will hold funding. That
>California
>> > needs
>> > >for Road work and etc,This is why Arnold the Governor and AQMD
>and all the
>> > >other agencies have such a push on getting the Air cleaned up.
>Go to
>> > >this
>> > >site for more info http://WWW.arb.ca.gov
>> > >
>> > >Chris E. Fogleman
>> > >
>> > >Complete Coach Works
>> > >
>> > >Alternative Fuel Sales Manager
>> > >
>> > >Cell: (951) 836-6520
>> > >
>> > >http://www.thelegacyreturns.com <http://www.thelegacyreturns.com/>
>> > >
>> > >cfogleman@...
>> > >
>> > >cfogleman@...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _____
>> > >
>> > >From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >40yahoogroups.com>
>> > >[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >40yahoogroups.com>]
>> > On Behalf Of Don Bradner
>> > >Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:16 PM
>> > >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >40yahoogroups.com>
>> > >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Federal smog laws GregO'Connor
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >I know, and Greg is certainly correct when he says that
>California is
>> > >employing such standards quicker than Federal, but the question
>is about
>> > >something in Federal (or California, for that matter) rules
>that will make
>> > >us comply with smog rules (which would mean repowering, or
>junking).
>> > >
>> > >On 12/7/2008 at 8:28 AM Pete Masterson wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>FWIW, ULSD is the only diesel sold in CA for the last couple
>of years...
>> > >>
>> > >>Pete Masterson
>> > >>'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
>> > >>aeonix1@mac. >
>com
>> > >>On the road at Newberry Springs, CA
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>On Dec 7, 2008, at 5:31 AM, Don Bradner wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Greg, can you provide a cite for this? I spent extensive
>time with
>> > >>> Google and could not come up with any federal requirements
>that did
>> > >>> not involve one of the following:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> New engines
>> > >>> ULSD fuel
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Neither of those would adversely affect my coach, so I would
>like
>> > >>> to know if you have some hard-to-find information concerning
>> > >>> federal rules that would, in fact, affect vintage stuff?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Don Bradner
>> > >>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>> > >>> Posting today by satellite from Gladewater, TX
>> > >>> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 12/6/2008 at 5:03 PM timvasqz wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Diesel
>> > >>>> motorhomes with "private registration" are exempt from many
>CA smog
>> > >>>> requirements but will be hit blind sighted when fed
>regulations take
>> > >>>> hold.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
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>> Curt Sprenger
>> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
>> Anaheim Hills, CA
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