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05-31-2007, 23:17

I am a member of a yahoo group pertaining to collectable watches. We
have taken the position that anything listed on eBay is fair game for
criticism. Being a perspective buyer I must say my heart lies with
the group who have pointed to potential problem area's. Let the facts
speak for themselves. I guess it has to be determined by the
moderator how much of this is appropriate for this group but I vote
to help the new guy. Obviously. JEH

>
> Mike, I felt Tom was posting relevent substantiated assumptions
based
> on the information in the advert. In my view, it a good post for
> forum members to read if they intended to bid on Kens bus. The
reply
> brought to light that the rebuilt engine with low miles was almost
> as old as the bus. I disagree with your take on Kens reply to Tom.
>
> Hope you are feeling better
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > One Moderator's Opinion:
> >
> > I left work early yesterday, not feeling well, and was offline
until
> > recently. In catching up on the posts from yesterday, I was
> somewhat
> > dismayed by this thread in regards to what I perceived as 'piling
> on'
> > of accusations and assumptions, rather than simply asking some
> > questions of the seller - *especially* since he is a forum
member.
> I
> > think opinions are fine, but unfounded speculation/accusations
when
> a
> > simple question would suffice are not.
> >
> > I believe that Ken has openly responded to the posts on this
topic
> in
> > what can only be described as a polite manner, in view of some of
> the
> > tones in the original posts.
> >
> > If you have any further questions for Ken, feel free to ask
them.
> >
> > If anyone now feels a need to rebut Ken's responses, I suggest it
> > would be much better to let this thread die and move on to fixing
> Birds.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike Bulriss - Moderator
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth G Samson"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > my, my, my. is this what passes for sport around here? I've
been
> a
> > > member of this and other wanderlodge forums since buying this
> coach
> > > last year, but as of late have not been reading the postings.
> Someone
> > > alerted me to the beating you folks are putting on my coach,
> otherwise
> > > i wouldn't have known. my dad had a name for folks like you,
but
> i'm
> > > too much a gentleman to repeat it here. I'll just say that a
man
> whose
> > > comments are full of assumptions such as Tom here, only makes
an
> a**
> > > of himself.
> > >
> > > The Romesburgs of West virginia were the original owners of this
> > > coach. In fact, their name is still on the front door of the
> coach,
> > > and in the paperwork I have, including the original manuals.
I've
> > > never met them, but only know what i was told by the second
> owner, who
> > > bought the coach directly from the wife in 2004, and drove it
> from WV
> > > to MI, where he spent a couple years getting it ready in
> anticipation
> > > of retiring from General Motors. The second owner, as i've
stated,
> > > lost interest in traveling when his wife unexpectedly passed
> away. The
> > > man's story was tragic, not something to make a sport about. I
> spent a
> > > week with him and his brother in northern Michigan before going
to
> > > Lansing for a couple months.
> > >
> > > Mrs. Romeburg informed the second owner that the engine, &
trans
> had
> > > been rebuilt shortly before her husband took ill, and they
never
> got a
> > > chance to use the coach much after that. Then the second
owner's
> wife
> > > died before they could take it out on the road full-time, and
it
> sat
> > > for a while longer til i bought it from him last year. From the
> > > information obtained from the second owner, I am guessing that
> there
> > > is less than 3000 miles on the engine and trans, even though the
> > > rebuilds took place several years ago. in the meantime, before
the
> > > second owner's wife got cancer, he had been spending much time
and
> > > money getting the coach ready for their full-timing plans,
> including
> > > installing the rebuilt genset he purchased to replace the old
> one. HE
> > > is the one that put the new insulation in the doghouse cover
and
> the
> > > generator compartment before installing the rebuilt genset. But
> you're
> > > smarter than anyone, Tom. it's amazing the 'facts' you can
> generate
> > > out of thin air without even seeing the coach or asking
questions
> like
> > > a gentleman.
> > >
> > > Speaking of Lansing, you might remember that last summer, i had
> > > contacted the forum for advice about a situation i had with the
> mall
> > > management, who towed my coach away. I was planning to rename
my
> coach
> > > Bibliolodge, a turn of phrase on the name of my bookstore,
> > > BiblioMarket. Those are the facts, easily obtained simply by
> ASKING
> > > me. But it's so much easier to just make wild assumptions and
> stick
> > > your foot in your mouth, isn't it, Tom?
> > >
> > > The coach has been at my maryland property in chestertown since
> early
> > > winter 2006, where i parked it in front of my barn. The soil
here
> on
> > > the Eastern Shore is sandy, and the ground was wet from a heavy
> > > rainstorm when i parked it here. So YES, the tires have made an
> small
> > > indentation in the ground. The thing is 15 TONS, Tom. Heavy
items
> DO
> > > tend to compact sand. Get over yourself.
> > >
> > > Just to educate you a little bit, on ebay, when a person lists
an
> item
> > > with a reserve, and a buy-it-now price, then the buy-it-now
price
> will
> > > remain vi sable until the reserve is actually met. however, if
the
> > > person lists an item -without- a reserve, as i did, then the
> > > buy-it-now price disappears upon the first bid, which in my
case
> took
> > > place 16 hours after i began the listing. that's why there is no
> > > longer a buy-it-now price. i have not yet modified the website
> that
> > > has the description and photos, but the buy-it-now option is
> indeed
> > > expired.
> > >
> > > the coach is registered in north carolina, my second home. I
have
> not
> > > taken the coach TO north carolina, however, so i was unable to
> get a
> > > current inspection sticker. I have a clear NC title in MY NAME,
> in MY
> > > possession. So much for your third party conspiracy theories.
> > >
> > > Engaging in character assassination is an ugly, ugly trait to
> have,
> > > Tom. I'm glad to never have had the displeasure of meeting you.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just a few comments I feel are necessary to start others
> checking
> > > > this coach closely just in case someone on the forum is
looking
> > > > hungrily at this coach and is thinking of bidding. Especially
> read
> > > > the comments on Ebay at the bottom where potential bidders
ask
> > > > questions. The pictures of the coach tell me a lot.
> > > >
> > > > First I believe this is another one of those 3rd person
sales.
> Check
> > > > all of the details and you will see why I believe that. Look
at
> the
> > > > method of payment if you do win the bid?
> > > >
> > > > There is a reserve on the coach since the seller has chosen
to
> hide
> > > > the bidders names and someone supposedly already bid $12,500.
> He also
> > > > has a "buy-it-now" price in the description off Ebay but
there
> is
> > > > nothing on the Ebay listing to verify that.
> > > >
> > > > I dont believe anyone drove this coach on a trip in 2006
unless
> they
> > > > drove the coach with no registration since the one on the
> windshield
> > > > ran out in 2004.
> > > >
> > > > I find it hard to believe the engine was "factory rebuilt"
> since
> > > > there are no stickers on the valve covers and corrosion and
> paint
> > > > missing. I believe the engine is the origianal one.
> > > >
> > > > Its hard for me to believe that the engine and generator were
> rebuilt
> > > > even a long time ago and surely not by the factory when you
> look at
> > > > the pictures of each. The engine and coach has obviously been
> driven
> > > > in the salt as there is salt corrosion visible. Look at the
> > > > adjustment rod and nut on the alternator, its severely rusted
> and has
> > > > not been adjusted for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > The coach has sit in the same place for quite a while as you
> can see
> > > > by the front tires sunken into the ground. The generator
> insulation
> > > > was replaced but not recently unless someone could do it
> without
> > > > removing the generator.
> > > >
> > > > Lots more but what I have described alone makes me
suspicious.
> Of
> > > > course let the buyer beware. If I am incorrect in my comments
> of the
> > > > coach hopefully the seller will give us the details such as
> copies of
> > > > the sales receipts for the engine, transmission and generator.
> > > >
> > > > tom warner
> > > > vernon center,ny
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 11:19 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote:
> > > > >NO RESERVE! 1976 FC 33 Blue Bird Wanderlodge
> > > > >
> > > > >A Rebuilt Cat 3208 Diesel engine, Rebuilt Automatic Allison
> MT - 640
> > > > >transmission, Rebuilt Onan Emerald Generator, recently
> replaced 2-way
> > > > >full sized fridge/freezer, New upholstery throughout -
simply
> put - a
> > > > >beautiful coach!
> > > > >
> > > > >See all photos and detailed coach information at
> > > > >
> > > > >'76 FC33 Wanderlodge
> > > > >
> > > > >http://samsonkg.googlepages.com/1976fc33...anderlodge
> > > > >
> > > > >Specifications-
> > > > >
> > > > > Length: 33'
> > > > > Model: Side Bath with separate shower.
> > > > > Suspension: Leaf Spring Suspension
> > > > > Generator: Emerald III Onan Genset. [newly REBUILT
> > replacement,
> > > > >7.5 kw, under 10 hours, separate 30 gallon gas tank for
> generator
> > fuel]
> > > > > Diesel Fuel Capacity: 150 Gallons
> > > > > Engine: REBUILT Caterpillar 3208-NA - 210 HP naturally
> > aspirated
> > > > > Transmission: REBUILT Allison Automatic 4-speed MT-640
> > > > >4 speed Allison automatic transmission is solid shifting,
and
> can be
> > > > >manually shifted on mountain passes for more torque if
> desired. coach
> > > > >obtains consistent 10 / 11 mpg. in last 1500 miles, i used
> just one
> > > > >and a quarter quarts of oil.
> > > > > doghouse and generator compartment were recently
freshly
> > > > >insulated with heavy duty sound/heat insulation.
> > > > > brand new fuel filter just installed 20 miles ago.
> > > > > TWO new full-coach power inverters installed, along
with
> > all new
> > > > >batteries.
> > > > > nice aluminum 22.5 Alcoa wheels all around
> > > > > Full air brakes, recently replaced and professionally
> > serviced.
> > > > > 12 gallon water heater, heats by either electric or
> engine.
> > > > > [take a 'free' hot shower after your drive!]
> > > > > Culligan Water Purifier newly installed.
> > > > > brand new 40 channel CB radio [model TRC-503]
> > > > >[original CB is still installed, but disconnected.]
> > > > > Aircraft-Style Overhead Storage Throughout
> > > > > Fluorescent Direct and Indirect Lighting Throughout
with
> > > > >Incandescent Aircraft-Style Reading Lamps at All Seating
> Positions
> > > > > Household-Grade Plumbing and Electrical Fixtures
> Throughout
> > > > > 2-way fridge, double bowl sink, microwave with
> convection,
> > Insta
> > > > >Hot water dispenser
> > > > > high intensity electric remote control searchlight,
air
> horns,
> > > > >fog lights.
> > > > > Full Patio Awning [Zip Dee] and bright Patio Lights
> > > > > large roof mounted storage pod, and two different roof
> > mounted TV
> > > > >antennas.
> > > > > safety rail/rack all the way around the roof. Thick
> ribbed
> > > > >Aluminum Deck over Steel Roof
> > > > > BONUS: a 20 inch Polaroid LCD [HDTV ready] TV will be
> included
> > > > >with this motorhome! It is not installed. I had planned to
> install it
> > > > >on a ceiling mounted flip-down mechanism, but did not get
> around to
> > > > >finding the mount. in the meantime, i simply set it up on
top
> of the
> > > > >cabinet in the living room and laid it down on a soft blanket
> > while in
> > > > >motion. It works great and gives a very nice picture at any
> viewing
> > > > >angle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tankage:
> > > > > Fresh Water- 98 Gallons
> > > > > Gray Water - 60 Gallons
> > > > > Waste Water-42 Gallons
> > > > > LP-45 Gallons [plumbed for external BBQ hookup,
> too!]
> > > > >
> > > > > - Features-
> > > > > Blue Bird All American Chassis
> > > > > Dual roof airs, blows very COLD!
> > > > > 30 amp service.
> > > > > Engine/Chassis Heaters with Thermostat
> > > > > three zoned propane heaters
> > > > > two clothes closets.
> > > > > nice big heated Ramco remote mirrors [replaced the
> factory
> > > > >driving mirrors.]
> > > > > All Copper Air and Fuel Lines
> > > > > Urethane Foam Insulation
> > > > > full sized Bed [has mattress in the coach, i forgot
to
> put it
> > > > >back in there when i took the photos this afternoon. i had
> brought it
> > > > >in the house for a guest to sleep on.]
> > > > > Standard Gas Eye Level microwave Oven with Range
> > > > > Nutone food center power unit built in on counter,
with
> > > > > blender and ice crusher attachments for those must-have
> summer
> > > smoothies!
> > > > > built in ice maker and trash compactor
> > > > >The 2 way refrigerator/freezer is a full sized recent model
> Norcold
> > > > >replacement with black front panels.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Sound System, Includes:
> > > > > AM/FM Radio, 8-Track Stereo
> > > > >
> > > > > Factory Rebuilt Cat diesel engine and Allison
automatic
> > > > >transmission. There are less than 3,000 miles on this engine
> and
> > > > >transmission. i am the third owner. the first owner had just
> had the
> > > > >new factory rebuilt engine and transmission installed when he
> > suffered
> > > > >a stroke and could not drive the motorhome anymore. it then
> sat for
> > > > >about a year until his death. Second owner bought from the
> original
> > > > >owner's wife in west virginia and drove it to michigan.
> Preparing the
> > > > >motorhome to travel full time with his wife, second owner
had
> all the
> > > > >upholstery replaced and spent approx. $7500 making upgrades,
> > including
> > > > >a replacement fridge/freezer and the Emerald generator [in
the
> > > > >pictures, it appears that the sofa has stains, but it really
> does
> > not.
> > > > > those are just shadows from the fabric, which is a velvety
> type of
> > > > >fabric with a slightly raised nap] His wife then found out
she
> had
> > > > >cancer and she died shortly thereafter. Following her death,
> second
> > > > >owner lost interest in the motorhome and it sat in barn
storage
> > at his
> > > > >brother's farm for a couple years. Last July he sold it to
> me. I
> > > > >drove it approx. 1500 miles since then, including a trip to
> maryland
> > > > >from michigan. Starts on first roll of the engine every
time,
> and
> > runs
> > > > >very strong. I am selling in order to use the cash proceeds
> to do
> > > > >repairs and renovations to my home so i can put it on the
> market. Of
> > > > >course, I'll be buying another Wanderlodge after i sell my
> home!
> > Once
> > > > >you get a Wanderlodge, you'll never settle for anything less.
> > > > >
> > > > > Includes all original owner's manuals for the coach and
> other items
> > > > >added to it since then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Known defects:
> > > > > tires need to be replaced. they are weather checked,
and
> > > > >although i drove over 1500 miles on them in this condition,
i
> would
> > > > >not recommend the new owner drive them like this for much
> longer.
> > > > >There are truck tire service centers within 75 miles in any
> direction
> > > > >away from my home, including Annapolis, Dover, Wilmington,
> > > > >Easton/Salisbury, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC
> areas. I
> > > > >highly recommend a stop for fresh tires on your way home.
> > > > > Front roof air is disconnected, and has been for
years.
> it is
> > > > >unknown whether is was working when disconnected by the
first
> owner.
> > > > > small stone chip in one of the front windshields. [no
> cracks,
> > > > >just the small chip.]
> > > > > Cruise control is present, but disconnected.
> > > > > one Propane Heater [out of three] is not working,
> probably
> > just
> > > > >needs cleaning.
> > > > > speedometer broke during last trip in September 2006.
> 860
> > miles
> > > > >put on since then. [calculated by mapquest when i entered
the
> route i
> > > > >took during the last trip]
> > > > > one air vent cover over the kitchen area is broken.
fan
> and
> > > > >light in that vent still work fine - it's just the plastic
lid
> > that is
> > > > >broken. replacements are cheap and available on ebay.
> > > > > rear air conditioner is missing one vent cover. works
> > perfectly
> > > > >fine however, and is very cold.
> > > > >
> > > > >Terms: non-refundable Deposit [10% of starting bid ] to hold
> the
> > coach
> > > > >is due within 2 days of auction end, either by paypal or
> overnight
> > > > >mail. [certified check or money order only] Balance due in
> certified
> > > > >funds within 10 days of auction end, whether you pick up the
> coach in
> > > > >that time period or not. Winning bidder is responsible for
> pick
> > up in
> > > > >Worton, MD, just outside of Chestertown. If you so desire,
I
> am
> > happy
> > > > >to help you arrange storage in Chestertown subsequent to your
> > > > >purchase, at your expense, if you will be delayed in picking
> up the
> > > > >coach.
> > > > >
> > > > >As you would expect on a 30-year-old vehicle, no warranty is
> > expressed
> > > > >or implied. I have represented the vehicle in what I feel
is
> an
> > > > >honest fashion through words and pictures. All pictures
were
> taken
> > > > >May 27, 2007.
> > > > >
> > > > >http://samsonkg.googlepages.com/1976fc33...anderlodge
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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