'79 FC won't start
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09-21-2006, 15:24
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'79 FC won't start
A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to share. Thanks, Steve 1979 FC 3208 Cat |
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09-22-2006, 02:17
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'79 FC won't start
My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice, except to
say that in other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special tools. Timing the pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage lot this weekend, I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt 3208 pumps for sale on Ebay. Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested there is a connection between the new fuel and the failed pump? I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd at least check and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access. Kerry 82 Fc 35 Denver --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" > > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to > share. > > Thanks, Steve > 1979 FC 3208 Cat > |
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09-22-2006, 02:52
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'79 FC won't start
Order a copy of service manual SEBR0541-03, review the text, aquire the special
items for the job and knock your self out. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: davidkerryedwards To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '79 FC won't start My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice, except to say that in other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special tools. Timing the pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage lot this weekend, I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt 3208 pumps for sale on Ebay. Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested there is a connection between the new fuel and the failed pump? I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd at least check and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access. Kerry 82 Fc 35 Denver --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" > > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to > share. > > Thanks, Steve > 1979 FC 3208 Cat > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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09-22-2006, 04:35
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'79 FC won't start
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki"
wrote: > > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to > share. > > Thanks, Steve > 1979 FC 3208 Cat > Hello - I'm a frequent lurker and a Wanderlodge wannabe. If memory serves me, removal of the injector pump on a 3208 requires removal of the front engine cover. A rather large job on a FC as it would require removal of radiator, fan and all accessory drives. If you remove the pump yourself, be very careful to note the timing marks, and take the pump to an injection shop for rebuild. Don't try to rebuild the pump yourself.Someone else chime in please. David Shetron "Wannabe" |
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09-22-2006, 04:49
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'79 FC won't start
i checked the shop manual. You do need access to the front and you need two
special tools. One to disengage the cam gear and another to deal with the timing pin. The removal process does not look difficult. Most shade tree mechanics should be able to do it I think. I'm guessing it would take a better part of a day including removing the radiator. The shop manual I'm looking at as SEBR0514-01. I don't know how this is similar or different to Mike's manual. Kerry 82 FC 35 Denver --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote: > > Order a copy of service manual SEBR0541-03, review the text, aquire the special items for the job and knock your self out. > MH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: davidkerryedwards > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '79 FC won't start > > > My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice, except to say that in > other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special tools. Timing the > pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage lot this weekend, > I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt 3208 pumps for > sale on Ebay. > Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested there is a > connection between the new fuel and the failed pump? > I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd at least check > and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access. > > Kerry > 82 Fc 35 > Denver > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" > > > > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were > > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was > > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector > > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up > > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge > > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right > > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of > > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've > > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough > > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do > > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I > > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you > > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have > > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to > > share. > > > > Thanks, Steve > > 1979 FC 3208 Cat > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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09-22-2006, 05:28
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'79 FC won't start
No mention of removing the front cover in my manual. Access to the bolts to
disconnect the pump from the cam are exposed. He'll have to remove the air filter, intake manifold and injector lines. Then the radiator and maybe also the fan. Then the pump should come out with the use of the two tools, one of which I think is designed to line up a timing pin. Kerry 82 FC 35 Denver --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dshetron1" > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" > wrote: > > > > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were > > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was > > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector > > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up > > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge > > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right > > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of > > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've > > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough > > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do > > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I > > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you > > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have > > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to > > share. > > > > Thanks, Steve > > 1979 FC 3208 Cat > > > > Hello - I'm a frequent lurker and a Wanderlodge wannabe. If memory > serves me, removal of the injector pump on a 3208 requires removal of > the front engine cover. A rather large job on a FC as it would require > removal of radiator, fan and all accessory drives. If you remove the > pump yourself, be very careful to note the timing marks, and take the > pump to an injection shop for rebuild. Don't try to rebuild the pump > yourself.Someone else chime in please. > David Shetron > "Wannabe" > |
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09-23-2006, 12:47
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'79 FC won't start
I'm revising my opinion. I just looked at the shop manual again and I think
with a little work on the front of the engine from above, and a little more from below, it might just be possible to remove the pump without removing the radiator. I think it might even be able to be done without removing the cooling fan, but if the cooling fan could be removed with access from above and below, I think it would be even easier to remove the pump without remving the radiator. Kerry 82 Fc 35 Denver --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards" wrote: > > i checked the shop manual. You do need access to the front and you need two special > tools. One to disengage the cam gear and another to deal with the timing pin. The > removal process does not look difficult. Most shade tree mechanics should be able to do > it I think. I'm guessing it would take a better part of a day including removing the > radiator. The shop manual I'm looking at as SEBR0514-01. I don't know how this is > similar or different to Mike's manual. > > Kerry > 82 FC 35 > Denver > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@> > wrote: > > > > Order a copy of service manual SEBR0541-03, review the text, aquire the special items > for the job and knock your self out. > > MH > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: davidkerryedwards > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:17 AM > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '79 FC won't start > > > > > > My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice, except to say that > in > > other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special tools. Timing the > > pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage lot this > weekend, > > I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt 3208 pumps > for > > sale on Ebay. > > Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested there is a > > connection between the new fuel and the failed pump? > > I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd at least > check > > and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access. > > > > Kerry > > 82 Fc 35 > > Denver > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" > > > > > > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were > > > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was > > > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector > > > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up > > > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge > > > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right > > > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of > > > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've > > > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough > > > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do > > > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I > > > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you > > > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have > > > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to > > > share. > > > > > > Thanks, Steve > > > 1979 FC 3208 Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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