Help On The Road
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08-02-2006, 08:07
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Help On The Road
While traveling in Colorado a couple of weeks ago our FC35 had to tackle some
grades we hadn't seen in a long time. We experienced some "boil-overs" from the cooling system and lost about 3 gallons of Cat antifreeze solution. I called the Caterpillar Engine Call Center Hotline I had read about in the FMCA magazine. The line is staffed 24/7 to help Cat powered RV owners. The number is (877) 777-3126. The man on the line was very knowledgeable and helped me locate the nearest source of Cat parts and antifreeze. I called Bennie Collier at the factory on (800) 992-6337 and consulted with him on the symptoms and got some good advice on a cap replacement plus suggestion to add a cooling fan manual switch I don't currently have. Local NAPA store didn't have my cap so Blue Bird parts (800) 495-7787 overnighted a new cap to me to the Ouray, CO KOA and we had no more problems on return trip to Texas. I don't know of many 22 year old coaches that enjoy this level of technical support and I'm danged glad I own a Blue Bird. I wanted to share the phone numbers with others in case they don't know about them. Eric in San Antonio 84FC35SB |
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08-02-2006, 08:21
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The road coming into Ouray from the south could make any coach boil over.
I was just thinking a few days ago that a manual fan switch would be a valuable addition to the coach since it could be used to stop the initial climb from 180 to 195 degrees. However, I think a lot of the heat produced on those kinds of climbs comes from the fact that the lock up convertor unlocks and produces a heck of a lot of heat in lower gears. Did the tech mention that at all? A separate transmission cooler might be helpful if a person was to drive in those conditions continually. Did you put a higher pressure cap on the system? There is another alternative but it might be prohibitively expensive given the size and complexity of the Bird cooling system. Evans Waterless Coolant has a boiling temperature of around 335 degrees. You can run Evans in an unpressurized system, reducing the possibility of leaks from high pressure, without worrying about boil overs and providing cooling over a wider range of temperatures. The stuff is not cheap however. Did you check your tranmission fluid to see if it got burnt from the heat load? Kerry 82 FC 35 Denver --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson" wrote: > > While traveling in Colorado a couple of weeks ago our FC35 had to tackle some grades we > hadn't seen in a long time. We experienced some "boil-overs" from the cooling system > and lost about 3 gallons of Cat antifreeze solution. > > I called the Caterpillar Engine Call Center Hotline I had read about in the FMCA magazine. > The line is staffed 24/7 to help Cat powered RV owners. The number is (877) 777-3126. > The man on the line was very knowledgeable and helped me locate the nearest source of > Cat parts and antifreeze. > > I called Bennie Collier at the factory on (800) 992-6337 and consulted with him on the > symptoms and got some good advice on a cap replacement plus suggestion to add a > cooling fan manual switch I don't currently have. Local NAPA store didn't have my cap so > Blue Bird parts (800) 495-7787 overnighted a new cap to me to the Ouray, CO KOA and > we had no more problems on return trip to Texas. > > I don't know of many 22 year old coaches that enjoy this level of technical support and I'm > danged glad I own a Blue Bird. I wanted to share the phone numbers with others in case > they don't know about them. > > Eric in San Antonio > 84FC35SB > |
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08-02-2006, 10:15
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Hello Kerry,
I can't speak to how much of the heat buildup was a result of engine load vs transmission load but I did observe higher coolant temperatures even when transmission was operating normally but the engine was under load and ambient temperatures were high (95º-100ºF). Bennie didn't mention transmission cooling as a distinct and separate issue, we just talked about overall heat load. Old radiator cap had a pressure rating of 7# and new cap has same rating. I discussed the possibility of raising pressure rating of the cap but Cat & Blue Bird folks said this wasn't a good idea due to possible failure of other components (like radiator) if I did this. I think the fan switch is a good idea no matter the source of the heat as it will increase cooling capacity before you get so close to redline on temperature. Simple to install and certainly worth a try. Curious about the Evans coolant. Never heard about it. Could be a good idea for older cooling systems if it meets requirements of Cat diesels. Cat antifreeze isn't cheap either. Costs about $10/gallon. Good idea about the transmission fluid. I'll check it to see if it's black. Regards, Eric 84FC35SB --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards" wrote: > > The road coming into Ouray from the south could make any coach boil over. > I was just thinking a few days ago that a manual fan switch would be a > valuable addition to the coach since it could be used to stop the > initial climb from 180 to 195 degrees. > However, I think a lot of the heat produced on those kinds of climbs > comes from the fact that the lock up convertor unlocks and produces a > heck of a lot of heat in lower gears. Did the tech mention that at > all? A separate transmission cooler might be helpful if a person was > to drive in those conditions continually. > Did you put a higher pressure cap on the system? > There is another alternative but it might be prohibitively expensive > given the size and complexity of the Bird cooling system. Evans > Waterless Coolant has a boiling temperature of around 335 degrees. > You can run Evans in an unpressurized system, reducing the possibility > of leaks from high pressure, without worrying about boil overs and > providing cooling over a wider range of temperatures. The stuff is > not cheap however. > Did you check your tranmission fluid to see if it got burnt from the > heat load? > > Kerry > 82 FC 35 > Denver > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson" > wrote: > > > > While traveling in Colorado a couple of weeks ago our FC35 had to > tackle some grades we > > hadn't seen in a long time. We experienced some "boil-overs" from > the cooling system > > and lost about 3 gallons of Cat antifreeze solution. > > > > I called the Caterpillar Engine Call Center Hotline I had read about > in the FMCA magazine. > > The line is staffed 24/7 to help Cat powered RV owners. The number > is (877) 777-3126. > > The man on the line was very knowledgeable and helped me locate the > nearest source of > > Cat parts and antifreeze. > > > > I called Bennie Collier at the factory on (800) 992-6337 and > consulted with him on the > > symptoms and got some good advice on a cap replacement plus > suggestion to add a > > cooling fan manual switch I don't currently have. Local NAPA store > didn't have my cap so > > Blue Bird parts (800) 495-7787 overnighted a new cap to me to the > Ouray, CO KOA and > > we had no more problems on return trip to Texas. > > > > I don't know of many 22 year old coaches that enjoy this level of > technical support and I'm > > danged glad I own a Blue Bird. I wanted to share the phone numbers > with others in case > > they don't know about them. > > > > Eric in San Antonio > > 84FC35SB > > > |
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08-02-2006, 10:59
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I think Evans was running about $25 per gallon last time I checked.
The system has to be completely purged of any H2O before adding Evans. Another factor at these elevations is the reduced boiling temperature due to the altitude. It's hard to get a good cup of tea around here because the water doesn't get hot enough before boiling. Kerry --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson" wrote: > > Hello Kerry, > I can't speak to how much of the heat buildup was a result of engine load vs transmission > load but I did observe higher coolant temperatures even when transmission was operating > normally but the engine was under load and ambient temperatures were high (95º-100ºF). > Bennie didn't mention transmission cooling as a distinct and separate issue, we just talked > about overall heat load. > > Old radiator cap had a pressure rating of 7# and new cap has same rating. I discussed the > possibility of raising pressure rating of the cap but Cat & Blue Bird folks said this wasn't a > good idea due to possible failure of other components (like radiator) if I did this. > > I think the fan switch is a good idea no matter the source of the heat as it will increase > cooling capacity before you get so close to redline on temperature. Simple to install and > certainly worth a try. > > Curious about the Evans coolant. Never heard about it. Could be a good idea for older > cooling systems if it meets requirements of Cat diesels. Cat antifreeze isn't cheap either. > Costs about $10/gallon. > > Good idea about the transmission fluid. I'll check it to see if it's black. > > Regards, Eric > 84FC35SB > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards" > wrote: > > > > The road coming into Ouray from the south could make any coach boil over. > > I was just thinking a few days ago that a manual fan switch would be a > > valuable addition to the coach since it could be used to stop the > > initial climb from 180 to 195 degrees. > > However, I think a lot of the heat produced on those kinds of climbs > > comes from the fact that the lock up convertor unlocks and produces a > > heck of a lot of heat in lower gears. Did the tech mention that at > > all? A separate transmission cooler might be helpful if a person was > > to drive in those conditions continually. > > Did you put a higher pressure cap on the system? > > There is another alternative but it might be prohibitively expensive > > given the size and complexity of the Bird cooling system. Evans > > Waterless Coolant has a boiling temperature of around 335 degrees. > > You can run Evans in an unpressurized system, reducing the possibility > > of leaks from high pressure, without worrying about boil overs and > > providing cooling over a wider range of temperatures. The stuff is > > not cheap however. > > Did you check your tranmission fluid to see if it got burnt from the > > heat load? > > > > Kerry > > 82 FC 35 > > Denver > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson" > > wrote: > > > > > > While traveling in Colorado a couple of weeks ago our FC35 had to > > tackle some grades we > > > hadn't seen in a long time. We experienced some "boil-overs" from > > the cooling system > > > and lost about 3 gallons of Cat antifreeze solution. > > > > > > I called the Caterpillar Engine Call Center Hotline I had read about > > in the FMCA magazine. > > > The line is staffed 24/7 to help Cat powered RV owners. The number > > is (877) 777-3126. > > > The man on the line was very knowledgeable and helped me locate the > > nearest source of > > > Cat parts and antifreeze. > > > > > > I called Bennie Collier at the factory on (800) 992-6337 and > > consulted with him on the > > > symptoms and got some good advice on a cap replacement plus > > suggestion to add a > > > cooling fan manual switch I don't currently have. Local NAPA store > > didn't have my cap so > > > Blue Bird parts (800) 495-7787 overnighted a new cap to me to the > > Ouray, CO KOA and > > > we had no more problems on return trip to Texas. > > > > > > I don't know of many 22 year old coaches that enjoy this level of > > technical support and I'm > > > danged glad I own a Blue Bird. I wanted to share the phone numbers > > with others in case > > > they don't know about them. > > > > > > Eric in San Antonio > > > 84FC35SB > > > > > > |
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08-03-2006, 12:48
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So to replace the coolant in a 1982 FC35 that
holds 67 quarts ( 17 gallons)which includes the chassis circulating hot water heaters would cost $420 plus taxes just for the coolant? I buy 9 gallons of Fleetguard concentrate at $8 or so a gallon, dilute it 50% with distilled water at 56 cents a gallon from Walmart, about $75. Problem is that Evans coolant doe not meet any major engine manufacturers (Caterpillar, Detroit Diesel, Cummins) standards. Tom Warner Vernon Center,NY 1985 PT 40 At 06:59 PM 8/2/2006, you wrote: >I think Evans was running about $25 per gallon last time I checked. >The system has to be completely purged of any H2O before adding Evans. > >Another factor at these elevations is the reduced boiling temperature >due to the altitude. It's hard to get a good cup of tea around here >because the water doesn't get hot enough before boiling. > >Kerry > >--- In > >"Eric Johnson" >wrote: > > > > Hello Kerry, > > I can't speak to how much of the heat buildup was a result of engine >load vs transmission > > load but I did observe higher coolant temperatures even when >transmission was operating > > normally but the engine was under load and ambient temperatures were >high (95º-100ºF). > > Bennie didn't mention transmission cooling as a distinct and >separate issue, we just talked > > about overall heat load. > > > > Old radiator cap had a pressure rating of 7# and new cap has same >rating. I discussed the > > possibility of raising pressure rating of the cap but Cat & Blue >Bird folks said this wasn't a > > good idea due to possible failure of other components (like >radiator) if I did this. > > > > I think the fan switch is a good idea no matter the source of the >heat as it will increase > > cooling capacity before you get so close to redline on temperature. >Simple to install and > > certainly worth a try. > > > > Curious about the Evans coolant. Never heard about it. Could be a >good idea for older > > cooling systems if it meets requirements of Cat diesels. Cat >antifreeze isn't cheap either. > > Costs about $10/gallon. > > > > Good idea about the transmission fluid. I'll check it to see if >it's black. > > > > Regards, Eric > > 84FC35SB > > > > --- In > > "davidkerryedwards" > > > wrote: > > > > > > The road coming into Ouray from the south could make any coach >boil over. > > > I was just thinking a few days ago that a manual fan switch would be a > > > valuable addition to the coach since it could be used to stop the > > > initial climb from 180 to 195 degrees. > > > However, I think a lot of the heat produced on those kinds of climbs > > > comes from the fact that the lock up convertor unlocks and produces a > > > heck of a lot of heat in lower gears. Did the tech mention that at > > > all? A separate transmission cooler might be helpful if a person was > > > to drive in those conditions continually. > > > Did you put a higher pressure cap on the system? > > > There is another alternative but it might be prohibitively expensive > > > given the size and complexity of the Bird cooling system. Evans > > > Waterless Coolant has a boiling temperature of around 335 degrees. > > > You can run Evans in an unpressurized system, reducing the possibility > > > of leaks from high pressure, without worrying about boil overs and > > > providing cooling over a wider range of temperatures. The stuff is > > > not cheap however. > > > Did you check your tranmission fluid to see if it got burnt from the > > > heat load? > > > > > > Kerry > > > 82 FC 35 > > > Denver > > > > > > --- In > > "Eric Johnson" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > While traveling in Colorado a couple of weeks ago our FC35 had to > > > tackle some grades we > > > > hadn't seen in a long time. We experienced some "boil-overs" from > > > the cooling system > > > > and lost about 3 gallons of Cat antifreeze solution. > > > > > > > > I called the Caterpillar Engine Call Center Hotline I had read about > > > in the FMCA magazine. > > > > The line is staffed 24/7 to help Cat powered RV owners. The number > > > is (877) 777-3126. > > > > The man on the line was very knowledgeable and helped me locate the > > > nearest source of > > > > Cat parts and antifreeze. > > > > > > > > I called Bennie Collier at the factory on (800) 992-6337 and > > > consulted with him on the > > > > symptoms and got some good advice on a cap replacement plus > > > suggestion to add a > > > > cooling fan manual switch I don't currently have. Local NAPA store > > > didn't have my cap so > > > > Blue Bird parts (800) 495-7787 overnighted a new cap to me to the > > > Ouray, CO KOA and > > > > we had no more problems on return trip to Texas. > > > > > > > > I don't know of many 22 year old coaches that enjoy this level of > > > technical support and I'm > > > > danged glad I own a Blue Bird. I wanted to share the phone numbers > > > with others in case > > > > they don't know about them. > > > > > > > > Eric in San Antonio > > > > 84FC35SB > > > > > > > > > > > |
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