1985 PT40 Cruise Problems, better than a roller coaster ride - GARY MINKER -  12-21-2008 23:33
 
 
If you have a pre 1988 Bendix Cruise and you are driving along and suddenly notice that your cruise is stuck at full throttle, you are not alone. Your seat will pucker when you realize the on/off switch will not disengage your cruise throttle body and you are hurtling down the highway. 
 
In the 5 times it happened I was able to diagnose that when you apply the brakes, the pressure over rides a safety valve dump on the cruise throttle body and you can bring the coach to a stop and shut down the engine. Once the air pressure is alleviated, the valve snaps back to place for another scare at an unknown interval.  
 
It is pretty exciting to let go of the brake and see the engine come back to full 20 pound boost pressure. 
 
The culprit turned out to be sticking valves on the Bendix back board. The maintenance manual states that these 
valves should be cleaned at regular intervals. They are not kidding. I recommend at least every 20 years or 100,000 miles. Florida Detroit Diesel in Fort Pierce, Florida is the place to go. Mike the Svc Mgr and Gordy the Tech are kings. 
 
If anyone knows who is re-habbing the Bendix Controllers, please let me know. 
Thanks 
Gary 
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1985 PT40 Cruise Problems, better than a roller coaster ride - Ryan Wright -  12-23-2008 11:04
 
 
Gary, 
 
Wow - that doesn't sound like fun! Thanks for the heads up here. Can 
you tell us where to find the board in question, and provide a quick 
explanation of how to clean the valves? A runaway coach is my worst 
nightmare. 
 
Here's a story: 
 
My previous RV (1966 Travco) had the throttle linkage jam on the 
freeway due to a loose air cleaner cover. At freeway speeds, I was 
still having to apply throttle to maintain speed and thus had no idea 
this was going on until I came across a helicopter logging crew, on a 
steep downgrade, with a flagger standing in the middle of the road 
holding a big read "STOP" sign. I had just picked the vehicle up not 
half an hour earlier. I got her down to 40mph and she wouldn't slow 
any further! Pulled the e-brake, didn't help, and the poor woman with 
the stop sign was getting closer and closer. Unbuckled my seat belt 
and STOOD on the brake with all my weight... got the speed down to 
~30mph but still moving and about to hit this lady. Laid on the horn; 
it didn't make a sound! Hit the aftermarket air horns - they didn't 
work, either! My passenger stood up and made "get out of the way" 
motions with his arms. She scooted over, but not enough to avoid 
hitting her with the driver's side mirror... with seconds to spare I 
stuck my head out the window and threaded the coach between her and 
her brother's old pickup parked on the shoulder immediately opposite 
of her. Missed her by mere inches but my awning bracket took out the 
pickup's side mirror. Well, better that than her. 
 
We flew past her and down into the logging zone with a large, 
log-laden chopper hovering overhead... couldn't get the bus any slower 
and still didn't know the throttle was jammed open because RPMs were 
low, but I had the bright idea to pop it into neutral as we continued 
down the grade, just to be sure and take the engine out of the 
equation. While I was still standing on the brake. Boy, she stopped 
fast! Almost sent me through the windshield. Then I heard the engine 
perk up and RPMs climbed high. Turned the engine off, brakes smelled 
like liquid rubber but she stayed put, so we trekked the couple 
hundred feet back up the grade to have the discussion. All the above 
happened in about a 30 second time frame... real quick. 
 
We were on an Indian reservation and the Indian brother was torqued 
off to no end about his pickup's mirror. Demanding police come, etc. 
Didn't care it wasn't my fault, he wanted me jailed. Only after I got 
in his face about his sister not moving out of the way in time, and 
made him understand that my choice was either his truck or his sister, 
did he calm down enough to have a rational discussion. A $200 bribe 
for a $20 mirror and he called off the reservation police. Opened up 
the engine compartment, found the problem, secured the air cleaner and 
we were on our way. 
 
Lesson learned... never drive a vehicle without a thorough inspection. 
The non-functional horns and the loose air cleaner would have been 
discovered had I paid more attention when I bought it. 
 
-Ryan 
'86 PT-40 8V92 
 
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:33 AM, GARY MINKER  wrote: 
> If you have a pre 1988 Bendix Cruise and you are driving along and suddenly 
> notice that your cruise is stuck at full throttle, you are not alone.  Your 
> seat will pucker when you realize the on/off switch will not disengage your 
> cruise throttle body and you are hurtling down the highway. 
> 
> In the 5 times it happened I was able to diagnose that when you apply the 
> brakes, the pressure over rides a safety valve dump on the cruise throttle 
> body and you can bring the coach to a stop and shut down the engine. Once 
> the air pressure is alleviated, the valve snaps back to place for another 
> scare at an unknown interval. 
> 
> It is pretty exciting to let go of the brake and see the engine come back to 
> full 20 pound boost pressure. 
> 
> The culprit turned out to be sticking valves on the Bendix back board.  The 
> maintenance manual states that these valves should be cleaned at regular 
> intervals.  They are not kidding.  I recommend at least every 20 years or 
> 100,000 miles.  Florida Detroit Diesel in Fort Pierce, Florida is the place 
> to go.  Mike the Svc Mgr and Gordy the Tech are kings. 
> 
> If anyone knows who is re-habbing the Bendix Controllers, please let me 
> know. 
> Thanks 
> Gary 
>
 
 
 
1985 PT40 Cruise Problems, better than a roller coaster ride - GARY MINKER -  12-28-2008 08:43
 
 
Hi, 
Sorry for the delay, 
All the valves should be discected completely and polished internally and cleaned. Lubrication should be sparse. Unfortunately the only board guy has 24 volt boards and none of the 12 volt models left. I would like to find a source myself. I have a manual on the system also. The manual is pretty helpful but does leave a lot to be desired. 
You can contact me directly at gary@... 
 
--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Ryan Wright  wrote: 
From: Ryan Wright  
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1985 PT40 Cruise Problems, better than a roller coaster ride 
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 
2008, 6:04 PM 
 
 
 
Gary, 
 
 
 
Wow - that doesn't sound like fun! Thanks for the heads up here. Can 
 
you tell us where to find the board in question, and provide a quick 
 
explanation of how to clean the valves? A runaway coach is my worst 
 
nightmare. 
 
 
 
Here's a story: 
 
 
 
My previous RV (1966 Travco) had the throttle linkage jam on the 
 
freeway due to a loose air cleaner cover. At freeway speeds, I was 
 
still having to apply throttle to maintain speed and thus had no idea 
 
this was going on until I came across a helicopter logging crew, on a 
 
steep downgrade, with a flagger standing in the middle of the road 
 
holding a big read "STOP" sign. I had just picked the vehicle up not 
 
half an hour earlier. I got her down to 40mph and she wouldn't slow 
 
any further! Pulled the e-brake, didn't help, and the poor woman with 
 
the stop sign was getting closer and closer. Unbuckled my seat belt 
 
and STOOD on the brake with all my weight... got the speed down to 
 
~30mph but still moving and about to hit this lady. Laid on the horn; 
 
it didn't make a sound! Hit the aftermarket air horns - they didn't 
 
work, either! My passenger stood up and made "get out of the way" 
 
motions with his arms. She scooted over, but not enough to avoid 
 
hitting her with the driver's side mirror... with seconds to spare I 
 
stuck my head out the window and threaded the coach between her and 
 
her brother's old pickup parked on the shoulder immediately opposite 
 
of her. Missed her by mere inches but my awning bracket took out the 
 
pickup's side mirror. Well, better that than her. 
 
 
 
We flew past her and down into the logging zone with a large, 
 
log-laden chopper hovering overhead... couldn't get the bus any slower 
 
and still didn't know the throttle was jammed open because RPMs were 
 
low, but I had the bright idea to pop it into neutral as we continued 
 
down the grade, just to be sure and take the engine out of the 
 
equation. While I was still standing on the brake. Boy, she stopped 
 
fast! Almost sent me through the windshield. Then I heard the engine 
 
perk up and RPMs climbed high. Turned the engine off, brakes smelled 
 
like liquid rubber but she stayed put, so we trekked the couple 
 
hundred feet back up the grade to have the discussion. All the above 
 
happened in about a 30 second time frame... real quick. 
 
 
 
We were on an Indian reservation and the Indian brother was torqued 
 
off to no end about his pickup's mirror. Demanding police come, etc. 
 
Didn't care it wasn't my fault, he wanted me jailed. Only after I got 
 
in his face about his sister not moving out of the way in time, and 
 
made him understand that my choice was either his truck or his sister, 
 
did he calm down enough to have a rational discussion. A $200 bribe 
 
for a $20 mirror and he called off the reservation police. Opened up 
 
the engine compartment, found the problem, secured the air cleaner and 
 
we were on our way. 
 
 
 
Lesson learned... never drive a vehicle without a thorough inspection. 
 
The non-functional horns and the loose air cleaner would have been 
 
discovered had I paid more attention when I bought it. 
 
 
 
-Ryan 
 
'86 PT-40 8V92 
 
 
 
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:33 AM, GARY MINKER <"garym33407%40yahoo.com"> wrote: 
 
> If you have a pre 1988 Bendix Cruise and you are driving along and suddenly 
 
> notice that your cruise is stuck at full throttle, you are not alone. Your 
 
> seat will pucker when you realize the on/off switch will not disengage your 
 
> cruise throttle body and you are hurtling down the highway. 
 
> 
 
> In the 5 times it happened I was able to diagnose that when you apply the 
 
> brakes, the pressure over rides a safety valve dump on the cruise throttle 
 
> body and you can bring the coach to a stop and shut down the engine. Once 
 
> the air pressure is alleviated, the valve snaps back to place for another 
 
> scare at an unknown interval. 
 
> 
 
> It is pretty exciting to let go of the brake and see the engine come back to 
 
> full 20 pound boost pressure. 
 
> 
 
> The culprit turned out to be sticking valves on the Bendix back board. The 
 
> maintenance manual states that these valves should be cleaned at regular 
 
> intervals. They are not kidding. I recommend at least every 20 years or 
 
> 100,000 miles. Florida Detroit Diesel in Fort Pierce, Florida is the place 
 
> to go. Mike the Svc Mgr and Gordy the Tech are kings. 
 
> 
 
> If anyone knows who is re-habbing the Bendix Controllers, please let me 
 
> know. 
 
> Thanks 
 
> Gary 
 
> 
 
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1985 PT40 Cruise Problems, better than a roller coaster ride - Hugh Turner -  12-31-2008 00:17
 
 
On the 2 stokers there is an emergency shut down cable that you can pull to shut down a runaway mine is just to the left of the steering wheel. May be a good idea to get out the PB Blaster and get working just in case since it has more than likely not been moved since installed. 
 
Hugh & Lexie Turner  1984 Wanderlodge PT 40  âPAPA'S MAGIC BUSâ 
FMCA F393612 Bluebird Chapter 
 
Good Sam Life Member 057729600  Thomaston, Ga 30286  hturner12@... / ford10076@... 
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