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Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override - bumpersbird - 08-18-2007 16:04

Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override

Success! I love it when a plan comes together.

The Racor CCV 6000 is everything it is advertised.

No oil residue on the coach or the WHITE Trailer!

I had Prevost in Nashville attach the oil return for me, they spliced
it into the automatic oilier tube just where it goes into the block,
they used standard brass fittings. It took them a while to figure it
out. It took 3 hours shop time, half of that was, you wanna do what!
I'm not knocking them, but no body outside the boating industries
knew anything about CCV (Closed Crankcase Ventilation). Prevost also
removed the old slobber tube, you'll have to take off or loosen the
cold air pipe from the cooler to the intake manifold a few mounting
claps, and then wrestle it out. Not a big deal.

No oil residue anywhere, clean and Dry. No residue on the trailer,
quite a deal! Very please with the results 5 STARS!!!!!

Just returned from a very, very hot 10 days in the coach and all I
can say is 4th A/C please. 3 just barly kept up with the heat.

Speaking of heat I see a lot of folks talking about fans and over
ride swithches, I run with the driver's air on most of the time so to
me it doesn't really matter.

The fan runs with the driver a/c on, or you can run it manually, or
you can let the coach decide, I don't recommend that, mine over heats
all the time in that mode. Does it eat HP and use more fuel? Who
cares!! In 1year 16000 miles from sea level K.W Fla. To Rocky Mnt.
Nat Park 12890 feet or what ever it is, I don't remember exactly. I
just about always have everything turned on. My Blue Bird Guru said
if you can't find the problem let the fan run! Well I can't find the
problem and it really MESSES WITH MY HEAD! It should work! Why
doesn't it work all by itself? I Du Noo, He A He, HeY GOOBER! What's
wrong here!!

In the last two weeks I've run in the hottest weather ever in my 42
PT pulling a 24' Hallmark Edge trailer with all my gear, a Pontiac
Grand Prix GT in it. The Silver Leaf recorded engine temps only up to
207 degrees and she just kept on going, no problems, this leads me to
believe everyone has an oiled up radiator and air cooler and that it
isn't cooling well or a radiator fubar, or perhaps the solenoid
doesn't work or maybe your gauges are off, or something else is a
problem!!!!!!!!!

HEAT, GIVE US THE HEAT!!!!! Only if you how to use it. Smile

Take look at your engine compartment. The Series 60 has the turbo,
intake, exhaust, the fresh air intake pipe, parallel to the exhaust,
the cold air in to the intake manifold is just mm away from the
exhaust pipe up to the exhaust stack. It's all on one side of the
engine and its stuck in-between the block and all you're cooling
radiators! HEATS, Heat, Hey! You want know what the gates to Hell
feel like? Open the rear on a hot day in Illinois! Aug 8, '07!!! Who
designed the Mess! It's no wonder if anyone knows what the fan is
doing. Can anyone say RADIANT HEAT!!!!

So what to do?

HEAT BLANKETS!!!!!!

INSULATION!!!!!

The theory is to contain the heat in the exhaust system and to not
let it affect the other engine components. It's supposed to spool up
the turbo faster and to facilitate scavenging of the exhaust. In
other words it's cooler and the exhaust leaves the motor faster.
Sounds good. So if it works as advertised it should help all the way
around the trickle down theory. The domino effect, I don't know if it
does all that but if it keeps my bed from being to hot to sleep in
I'M ALL FOR IT! It is supposed to help extend the life of everything
in the engine compartment by way of shielding it from excess heat.

If everything is cooler then perhaps the fan situation will not be as
prominent or pertinent a problem as it is now

Another quick easy fix. Well that what I'm praying for. So far
research is progressing I have spoken to several companies and so far
I have a turbo blanket and an exhaust manifold blanket for the series
60, cost about $220.00. I have sent photos and they retuned a C.A.D.
drawings and I had BB sent a parts page for the 95 to 97 Pt42's. I
need to measure the rest of the pipes and brackets and they will make
the blankets from these specs. Sounds COOL!

Bumpersbird

Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override - Gregory OConnor - 08-21-2007 00:39

Detroit Diesel shipped many 8V92 with slobber to sump routers. the
lack of free flow caused problems. many slobber to sump were changed
to slobber cans. I believe, The slobber tubes on a 4 stroke (S60's)
are "crankcase vents" and not slobber produced by exhaust gas ?????

not to second guess the Canadians but, how do you vent to that which
you are venting???

Exhaust turbo blankets. I had issues with an insulated turbo on a
tractor that twice split the casted exhaust when it would not cool
down after shut down at the same rate as the other casted parts. The
MFG fix was to blanket the entire exhaust but I dont have the luxuary
or patients to do a running cooldow every time I shut the engine off,
so I dumped the turbo blanket.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
wrote:
>
> Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override
>
> Success! I love it when a plan comes together.
>
> The Racor CCV 6000 is everything it is advertised.
>
> No oil residue on the coach or the WHITE Trailer!
>
> I had Prevost in Nashville attach the oil return for me, they
spliced
> it into the automatic oilier tube just where it goes into the
block,
> they used standard brass fittings. It took them a while to figure
it
> out. It took 3 hours shop time, half of that was, you wanna do
what!
> I'm not knocking them, but no body outside the boating industries
> knew anything about CCV (Closed Crankcase Ventilation). Prevost
also
> removed the old slobber tube, you'll have to take off or loosen the
> cold air pipe from the cooler to the intake manifold a few mounting
> claps, and then wrestle it out. Not a big deal.
>
> No oil residue anywhere, clean and Dry. No residue on the trailer,
> quite a deal! Very please with the results 5 STARS!!!!!
>
> Just returned from a very, very hot 10 days in the coach and all I
> can say is 4th A/C please. 3 just barly kept up with the heat.
>
> Speaking of heat I see a lot of folks talking about fans and over
> ride swithches, I run with the driver's air on most of the time so
to
> me it doesn't really matter.
>
> The fan runs with the driver a/c on, or you can run it manually, or
> you can let the coach decide, I don't recommend that, mine over
heats
> all the time in that mode. Does it eat HP and use more fuel? Who
> cares!! In 1year 16000 miles from sea level K.W Fla. To Rocky Mnt.
> Nat Park 12890 feet or what ever it is, I don't remember exactly. I
> just about always have everything turned on. My Blue Bird Guru said
> if you can't find the problem let the fan run! Well I can't find
the
> problem and it really MESSES WITH MY HEAD! It should work! Why
> doesn't it work all by itself? I Du Noo, He A He, HeY GOOBER!
What's
> wrong here!!
>
> In the last two weeks I've run in the hottest weather ever in my 42
> PT pulling a 24' Hallmark Edge trailer with all my gear, a Pontiac
> Grand Prix GT in it. The Silver Leaf recorded engine temps only up
to
> 207 degrees and she just kept on going, no problems, this leads me
to
> believe everyone has an oiled up radiator and air cooler and that
it
> isn't cooling well or a radiator fubar, or perhaps the solenoid
> doesn't work or maybe your gauges are off, or something else is a
> problem!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> HEAT, GIVE US THE HEAT!!!!! Only if you how to use it. Smile

>
> Take look at your engine compartment. The Series 60 has the turbo,
> intake, exhaust, the fresh air intake pipe, parallel to the
exhaust,
> the cold air in to the intake manifold is just mm away from the
> exhaust pipe up to the exhaust stack. It's all on one side of the
> engine and its stuck in-between the block and all you're cooling
> radiators! HEATS, Heat, Hey! You want know what the gates to Hell
> feel like? Open the rear on a hot day in Illinois! Aug 8, '07!!!
Who
> designed the Mess! It's no wonder if anyone knows what the fan is
> doing. Can anyone say RADIANT HEAT!!!!
>
> So what to do?
>
> HEAT BLANKETS!!!!!!
>
> INSULATION!!!!!
>
> The theory is to contain the heat in the exhaust system and to not
> let it affect the other engine components. It's supposed to spool
up
> the turbo faster and to facilitate scavenging of the exhaust. In
> other words it's cooler and the exhaust leaves the motor faster.
> Sounds good. So if it works as advertised it should help all the
way
> around the trickle down theory. The domino effect, I don't know if
it
> does all that but if it keeps my bed from being to hot to sleep in
> I'M ALL FOR IT! It is supposed to help extend the life of
everything
> in the engine compartment by way of shielding it from excess heat.
>
> If everything is cooler then perhaps the fan situation will not be
as
> prominent or pertinent a problem as it is now
>
> Another quick easy fix. Well that what I'm praying for. So far
> research is progressing I have spoken to several companies and so
far
> I have a turbo blanket and an exhaust manifold blanket for the
series
> 60, cost about $220.00. I have sent photos and they retuned a
C.A.D.
> drawings and I had BB sent a parts page for the 95 to 97 Pt42's. I
> need to measure the rest of the pipes and brackets and they will
make
> the blankets from these specs. Sounds COOL!
>
>
> Bumpersbird
>

Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override - bumpersbird - 08-21-2007 02:46

The only thing the Cans did was hook up the oil return. I don't think
them boys in Nashville think their Canadians. I installed the rest of
the system. The CCV is hooked up to the vent on top of the Valve
cover in place of the tube that used to track down the side of the
block and onto the ground. I'd call that a slobber tube. Gasses are
produced by blow by in the crankcase which are then sucked from the
crankcase vent in through the filter and then returned to the air
intake. You can splice into the fresh air tube anywhere between the
air filter and the turbo for the vacuum needed to make the system
flow. The Racor CCV 6000 has built in diaphragms to off set any - or
+ pressures that may occur in the crankcase. I have read that these
pressures should not be exceeded or you can suck in or blow out your
engine seals, depending on negative or positive pressures. That's why
I picked the Racor. Others like the AirSep from Walker are proud to
advertise that their unit is a negative pressure type and would help
keep the oil in the motor," No leaking seals". That's not what I was
looking for, and you're right about the blankets. If they are going
to work you have to cover everything on the exhaust side.

It works, here are a few references including a few other products
that are similar in function to the Racor CCV 6000.

Reason for choosing Racor , PRICE, FUNCTION, CAPABILITY, WARRANTIE

http://www.donaldsonexhaust.com
http://www.parker.com/racor/pdf/7480G/pdf/Section08.pdf
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FZX/is_n8_v64/ai_21099667/pg_1
http://www.walkerairsep.com/

bumpersbird

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Detroit Diesel shipped many 8V92 with slobber to sump routers. the
> lack of free flow caused problems. many slobber to sump were
changed
> to slobber cans. I believe, The slobber tubes on a 4 stroke
(S60's)
> are "crankcase vents" and not slobber produced by exhaust
gas ?????
>
> not to second guess the Canadians but, how do you vent to that
which
> you are venting???
>
> Exhaust turbo blankets. I had issues with an insulated turbo on a
> tractor that twice split the casted exhaust when it would not cool
> down after shut down at the same rate as the other casted parts.
The
> MFG fix was to blanket the entire exhaust but I dont have the
luxuary
> or patients to do a running cooldow every time I shut the engine
off,
> so I dumped the turbo blanket.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
> wrote:
> >
> > Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override
> >
> > Success! I love it when a plan comes together.
> >
> > The Racor CCV 6000 is everything it is advertised.
> >
> > No oil residue on the coach or the WHITE Trailer!
> >
> > I had Prevost in Nashville attach the oil return for me, they
> spliced
> > it into the automatic oilier tube just where it goes into the
> block,
> > they used standard brass fittings. It took them a while to figure
> it
> > out. It took 3 hours shop time, half of that was, you wanna do
> what!
> > I'm not knocking them, but no body outside the boating industries
> > knew anything about CCV (Closed Crankcase Ventilation). Prevost
> also
> > removed the old slobber tube, you'll have to take off or loosen
the
> > cold air pipe from the cooler to the intake manifold a few
mounting
> > claps, and then wrestle it out. Not a big deal.
> >
> > No oil residue anywhere, clean and Dry. No residue on the
trailer,
> > quite a deal! Very please with the results 5 STARS!!!!!
> >
> > Just returned from a very, very hot 10 days in the coach and all
I
> > can say is 4th A/C please. 3 just barly kept up with the heat.
> >
> > Speaking of heat I see a lot of folks talking about fans and over
> > ride swithches, I run with the driver's air on most of the time
so
> to
> > me it doesn't really matter.
> >
> > The fan runs with the driver a/c on, or you can run it manually,
or
> > you can let the coach decide, I don't recommend that, mine over
> heats
> > all the time in that mode. Does it eat HP and use more fuel? Who
> > cares!! In 1year 16000 miles from sea level K.W Fla. To Rocky
Mnt.
> > Nat Park 12890 feet or what ever it is, I don't remember exactly.
I
> > just about always have everything turned on. My Blue Bird Guru
said
> > if you can't find the problem let the fan run! Well I can't find
> the
> > problem and it really MESSES WITH MY HEAD! It should work! Why
> > doesn't it work all by itself? I Du Noo, He A He, HeY GOOBER!
> What's
> > wrong here!!
> >
> > In the last two weeks I've run in the hottest weather ever in my
42
> > PT pulling a 24' Hallmark Edge trailer with all my gear, a
Pontiac
> > Grand Prix GT in it. The Silver Leaf recorded engine temps only
up
> to
> > 207 degrees and she just kept on going, no problems, this leads
me
> to
> > believe everyone has an oiled up radiator and air cooler and that
> it
> > isn't cooling well or a radiator fubar, or perhaps the solenoid
> > doesn't work or maybe your gauges are off, or something else is a
> > problem!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > HEAT, GIVE US THE HEAT!!!!! Only if you how to use it. Smile

> >
> > Take look at your engine compartment. The Series 60 has the
turbo,
> > intake, exhaust, the fresh air intake pipe, parallel to the
> exhaust,
> > the cold air in to the intake manifold is just mm away from the
> > exhaust pipe up to the exhaust stack. It's all on one side of the
> > engine and its stuck in-between the block and all you're cooling
> > radiators! HEATS, Heat, Hey! You want know what the gates to Hell
> > feel like? Open the rear on a hot day in Illinois! Aug 8, '07!!!
> Who
> > designed the Mess! It's no wonder if anyone knows what the fan is
> > doing. Can anyone say RADIANT HEAT!!!!
> >
> > So what to do?
> >
> > HEAT BLANKETS!!!!!!
> >
> > INSULATION!!!!!
> >
> > The theory is to contain the heat in the exhaust system and to
not
> > let it affect the other engine components. It's supposed to spool
> up
> > the turbo faster and to facilitate scavenging of the exhaust. In
> > other words it's cooler and the exhaust leaves the motor faster.
> > Sounds good. So if it works as advertised it should help all the
> way
> > around the trickle down theory. The domino effect, I don't know
if
> it
> > does all that but if it keeps my bed from being to hot to sleep
in
> > I'M ALL FOR IT! It is supposed to help extend the life of
> everything
> > in the engine compartment by way of shielding it from excess
heat.
> >
> > If everything is cooler then perhaps the fan situation will not
be
> as
> > prominent or pertinent a problem as it is now
> >
> > Another quick easy fix. Well that what I'm praying for. So far
> > research is progressing I have spoken to several companies and so
> far
> > I have a turbo blanket and an exhaust manifold blanket for the
> series
> > 60, cost about $220.00. I have sent photos and they retuned a
> C.A.D.
> > drawings and I had BB sent a parts page for the 95 to 97 Pt42's.
I
> > need to measure the rest of the pipes and brackets and they will
> make
> > the blankets from these specs. Sounds COOL!
> >
> >
> > Bumpersbird
> >
>

Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override - bloomas - 08-21-2007 04:55

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:39 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan
override

I was also confused about the post
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

Detroit Diesel shipped many 8V92 with slobber to sump routers. the
lack of free flow caused problems. many slobber to sump were changed
to slobber cans. I believe, The slobber tubes on a 4 stroke (S60's)
are "crankcase vents" and not slobber produced by exhaust gas ?????

not to second guess the Canadians but, how do you vent to that which
you are venting???

Exhaust turbo blankets. I had issues with an insulated turbo on a
tractor that twice split the casted exhaust when it would not cool
down after shut down at the same rate as the other casted parts. The
MFG fix was to blanket the entire exhaust but I dont have the luxuary
or patients to do a running cooldow every time I shut the engine off,
so I dumped the turbo blanket.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
wrote:
>
> Slobber No More!!!!! & Thoughts on fan override
>
> Success! I love it when a plan comes together.
>
> The Racor CCV 6000 is everything it is advertised.
>
> No oil residue on the coach or the WHITE Trailer!
>
> I had Prevost in Nashville attach the oil return for me, they
spliced
> it into the automatic oilier tube just where it goes into the
block,
> they used standard brass fittings. It took them a while to figure
it
> out. It took 3 hours shop time, half of that was, you wanna do
what!
> I'm not knocking them, but no body outside the boating industries
> knew anything about CCV (Closed Crankcase Ventilation). Prevost
also
> removed the old slobber tube, you'll have to take off or loosen the
> cold air pipe from the cooler to the intake manifold a few mounting
> claps, and then wrestle it out. Not a big deal.
>
> No oil residue anywhere, clean and Dry. No residue on the trailer,
> quite a deal! Very please with the results 5 STARS!!!!!
>
> Just returned from a very, very hot 10 days in the coach and all I
> can say is 4th A/C please. 3 just barly kept up with the heat.
>
> Speaking of heat I see a lot of folks talking about fans and over
> ride swithches, I run with the driver's air on most of the time so
to
> me it doesn't really matter.
>
> The fan runs with the driver a/c on, or you can run it manually, or
> you can let the coach decide, I don't recommend that, mine over
heats
> all the time in that mode. Does it eat HP and use more fuel? Who
> cares!! In 1year 16000 miles from sea level K.W Fla. To Rocky Mnt.
> Nat Park 12890 feet or what ever it is, I don't remember exactly. I
> just about always have everything turned on. My Blue Bird Guru said
> if you can't find the problem let the fan run! Well I can't find
the
> problem and it really MESSES WITH MY HEAD! It should work! Why
> doesn't it work all by itself? I Du Noo, He A He, HeY GOOBER!
What's
> wrong here!!
>
> In the last two weeks I've run in the hottest weather ever in my 42
> PT pulling a 24' Hallmark Edge trailer with all my gear, a Pontiac
> Grand Prix GT in it. The Silver Leaf recorded engine temps only up
to
> 207 degrees and she just kept on going, no problems, this leads me
to
> believe everyone has an oiled up radiator and air cooler and that
it
> isn't cooling well or a radiator fubar, or perhaps the solenoid
> doesn't work or maybe your gauges are off, or something else is a
> problem!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> HEAT, GIVE US THE HEAT!!!!! Only if you how to use it. Smile