From: David Brady
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:58 AM

Greg,

I guess your saying that once upon a time if you googled:
"Wanderlodge Owners Group blocked users" some thread
within WOG showed up? and that pressure from some other
competing wanderlodge forum prompted the removal of the
thread?

Unfortunately groups like WOG and WOO are private and are
not democratic organizations. The forum czars hold the final
word on what the rules are, what topics are allowed, what gets
moderated or censored, etc. The only recourse is to start your
own forum. I completely agree that competing forums keep
people honest and limit the infringement on free speech. But
as long as the forums are privately owned and funded, free
speech is always in doubt. It would be interesting to start a
forum and to run it like PBS with grants and individual monetary
contributors, free of corporate America. Only then can we
approach a democracy where the populace dictates who
owns
what and what gets printed.

David Brady
'02 LXi, NC

-----Original Message-----
From: gregory O
Sent: Oct 28, 2009 11:01 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

John does a wonderful job and is overly helpful over there. I am sure Randys has spent upwards of 15G's on the upkeep and development and countless un billable attention time. Their google placement will attest to that. The source is a better place to find members and pool of information as this yahoo information wont show up in a google search . There is a definite need for the site and the success proves the value.

There was a list displayed that had a banter title and description. problem with banter, if one 'party of' is silenced, statements by the other is defamation. Problem with too much control of one forum is when it is the only source, what can be done, is done irregardless of the merit or un answered replies(by silence of those in control) . if the list is removed, it was this site that prompted removal which only proves merit in the existance of addital sources.

I wont last on the site so I quit. John even quit
Wanderlodge_ all when I joined, what do you think my chances were. the best way to not be put on the index was to not participate. I dont want to add to information that is possibly filtered or lost at the whim of few (however well respected) individuals.

when HomeDepot was the only game in Romoland, 2x4,s were green crooked and $5.00. Lowes came to Town, now ; the 2x4's are $3.10 furniture grade and a cleark will help load your truck.

'Better is only a reference to that worst'.
Original Greg quote

Greg
94ptca

--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Don Bradner" wrote:
>
> Greg, your post generated some discussion on WOG, particularly the line below. I asked:
>
> "what is your take (John and
Randy) on his comment: "the index list of blocked users WOG displays"
> Is there such a list that shows to anyone other than site admins?"
>
> John's reply was "There is no list of that kind that I can find that is viewable by the general public, so perhaps your question is best asked of Greg himself, as far as I'm concerned he is more than welcome to re-join this forum if he so desires and post all that he wants, as long as they fall within the Wanderlodge Owners Group > General Discussion > Site Rules > Wanderlodge Owners Group Guidelines"
>
> Earlier John had said that you were not banned/blocked, but removed from membership at your request.
>
> Can you explain what you meant?
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1
>
> On 10/27/2009 at 3:09 PM gregory O wrote:
>
> >clean them up like
removing the index
> >list of blocked users WOG displays.
> >
> >Greg
> >94ptca
>

From: Ernie Ekberg
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date:
Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:55 PM

I would like us all to get along with each other. Since the factory went south, we need each other's input even more. Ernie- windy Norco, Ca Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair --- On Wed, 10/28/09, David Brady wrote: From: David Brady Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:58 AM Greg, I guess your saying that once upon a time if you googled: "Wanderlodge Owners Group blocked users" some thread within WOG showed up? and that pressure from some other competing wanderlodge forum prompted the removal of the thread? Unfortunately groups like WOG and WOO are private and are not democratic organizations. The forum czars hold the final word on what the rules are, what topics are allowed, what gets moderated or censored, etc. The only recourse is to start your own forum. I completely agree that competing forums keep people honest and limit the infringement on free speech. But as long as the forums are privately owned and funded, free speech is always in doubt. It would be interesting to start a forum and to run it like PBS with grants and individual monetary contributors, free of corporate America. Only then can we approach a democracy where the populace dictates who owns what and what gets printed. David Brady '02 LXi, NC -----Original Message----- From: gregory O Sent: Oct 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. John does a wonderful job and is overly helpful over there. I am sure Randys has spent upwards of 15G's on the upkeep and development and countless un billable attention time. Their google placement will attest to that. The source is a better place to find members and pool of information as this yahoo information wont show up in a google search . There is a definite need for the site and the success proves the value. There was a list displayed that had a banter title and description. problem with banter, if one 'party of' is silenced, statements by the other is defamation. Problem with too much control of one forum is when it is the only source, what can be done, is done irregardless of the merit or un answered replies(by silence of those in control) . if the list is removed, it was this site that prompted removal which only proves merit in the existance of addital sources. I wont last on the site so I quit. John even quit Wanderlodge_ all when I joined, what do you think my chances were. the best way to not be put on the index was to not participate. I dont want to add to information that is possibly filtered or lost at the whim of few (however well respected) individuals. when HomeDepot was the only game in Romoland, 2x4,s were green crooked and $5.00. Lowes came to Town, now ; the 2x4's are $3.10 furniture grade and a cleark will help load your truck. 'Better is only a reference to that worst'. Original Greg quote Greg 94ptca --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Don Bradner" wrote: > > Greg, your post generated some discussion on WOG, particularly the line below. I asked: > > "what is your take (John and Randy) on his comment: "the index list of blocked users WOG displays" > Is there such a list that shows to anyone other than site admins?" > > John's reply was "There is no list of that kind that I can find that is viewable by the general public, so perhaps your question is best asked of Greg himself, as far as I'm concerned he is more than welcome to re-join this forum if he so desires and post all that he wants, as long as they fall within the Wanderlodge Owners Group > General Discussion > Site Rules > Wanderlodge Owners Group Guidelines" > > Earlier John had said that you were not banned/blocked, but removed from membership at your request. > > Can you explain what you meant? > > Don Bradner > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > My location: http://www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1 > > On 10/27/2009 at 3:09 PM gregory O wrote: > > >clean them up like removing the index > >list of blocked users WOG displays. > > > >Greg > >94ptca >

From: gregory O
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM

No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google.

Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots, spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted.

One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick
when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The tuition held value.

Greg
94ptca