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Need an opinion - timvasqz - 06-20-2009 17:07 The biggest complaint I see with work from Mexico is the prep. Primer is not a cover all. and preprimer sealers are not bare metal prep. Paint tends to fall off in several years when surface prep has errors or steps are missed. best bet is to pick up the product south of the border and have a local US shop do the work. I would think you could set it up prior to your trip with a shopping list written by your US painter. Paints of today are designed as systems. the lab testing guarantees proper cover and adhesion. A good paint supplier in TJ is Merlin's Color schemes that blend require different mixes and spray patterns. I dont think you can get good blending with HVLP systems and or hard finish single stage imron paints. close up it will looks speckled???? Conservative populated areas I find not to be closeminded. Areas with lack of intellect should be avoided by even a church bus. Greg of Tim&Greg 94ptca Rainbowrv.com --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles" wrote: > > the rainbow color scheme would attract interest but you might want to drive it only in very liberal minded areas > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "hippieforever3" > > > > Our 1984 badly needs new paint. We're intending to go to Mexico and Central America later this year after sorting out all the mechanicals. > > > > We're thinking to get the bus prepped and painted down south somewhere where the labor is cheaper. > > > > We were trying to settle on a color scheme and finally came up with this: > > > > http://costaricabygps.com/WIPside6.gif > > > > WHAT DO YOU THINK? > > > > Any non-obscene comments are welcome. > > > > Regards, > > Hippieforever and GPSGary > > > Need an opinion - redffultra - 06-21-2009 04:44 I don't know where you are in the States, but if you are anywhere northeast or central, you may want to check out http://www.starjetbuspainting.com They did the Buckeye Bird for about the cost of what I have been hearing that they charge in Mexico, with a lifetime guarantee. If you call them just ask for Dick and tell him you have a Wanderlodge and that Dan suggested that you call. As far as the paint scheme, I don't believe that would want to be anywhere in Mexico (or C.A) right now drawing attention to myself. Just my opinion........... Dan Schrader http://buckeye-bird.com > Need an opinion - timvasqz - 06-21-2009 05:44 I agree that there is no deals to be had contracting the painting done outside of the states. Everyone who has a repaint from Mexico always qualifies the 5 year failure with "but we paid half of what they wanted in the states." I buy Mexican products all the time but the owner of our local Mexican restaurant had me dig his pool. Greg of Tim&Greg 94ptca --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "redffultra" > > I don't know where you are in the States, but if you are anywhere northeast or central, you may want to check out http://www.starjetbuspainting.com > > They did the Buckeye Bird for about the cost of what I have been hearing that they charge in Mexico, with a lifetime guarantee. If you call them just ask for Dick and tell him you have a Wanderlodge and that Dan suggested that you call. > > As far as the paint scheme, I don't believe that would want to be anywhere in Mexico (or C.A) right now drawing attention to myself. Just my opinion........... > > Dan Schrader > http://buckeye-bird.com > > > Need an opinion - Kurt Horvath - 06-21-2009 06:55 " best bet is to pick up the product south of the border and have a local US shop do the work. I would think you could set it up prior to your trip with a shopping list written by your US painter." Sound like a good idea, but I would ask, do you want to do this before your trip South or do it on the way home? It's not like driving to Kansas, from LA, ( Lower Alabama ) The little experience I have with Busses down south was in Belize. Went White water rafting, they transported us on an old Eagle. She took us through some of the roughest roads I've ever seen, the Donkey carts were having a hard time of it, but the Eagle plodded on. Needless to say the roads are BAD A_ _S! You might consider putting the new dress on her when your coming home, Or course I presume your coming back, If not, I'd go economy and do the whole enchilada in Mexico if your going to go native. Whatever you do paints not cheap. Parliament quoted me $25,000.00 to match my 24' car trailer to my Bird, yea, it's still white! Remember you get what you pay for. Kurt Horvath 95 PT 42 10AC Need an opinion - birdshill123 - 06-21-2009 12:19 Greg: Maybe your xperience with Mexican body shops is in TJ. But Navaroo's in Algadones has a superb reputation. The prep is awesome as they hand sand the whole coach. There are bus conversions running around that had jobs done there beyond 5 years and they still look good. He has gotten better with removing external items such as awnings. I would not hesitate to have my unit painted in his shop. The cost difference is in the labor not the paint. Bruce 88 FC 35 Need an opinion - timvasqz - 06-22-2009 01:45 Bruce it is several Navaro jobs that I critique. Maybe they were Monday morning paint jobs. The on-the-job education like learning to remove awnings!!! and checking for bare metal on areas sanded by hand and run down thru the prepaint coating is where in time, once in a while they may get things right. There can never be a replacement for the superior quality of USA craftmenship and service. Kind of the reason Canadians buy Wanderlodges. I don't believe you get what you pay for but you can demand it in the US Greg ofTim&Greg 94ptca --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote: > > Greg: > > Maybe your xperience with Mexican body shops is in TJ. But Navaroo's in Algadones has a superb reputation. The prep is awesome as they hand sand the whole coach. There are bus conversions running around that had jobs done there beyond 5 years and they still look good. He has gotten better with removing external items such as awnings. I would not hesitate to have my unit painted in his shop. The cost difference is in the labor not the paint. > > > Bruce > > 88 FC 35 > Need an opinion - jburgessx2 - 06-22-2009 03:02 It can be a tough call when money is an issue. My brother works for a paint shop in Lakeland, FL and he told me a typical paint job for a Wanderlodge runs about $25k-$40k. While I'm sure the workmanship is outstanding, it's tough to cough up $30k for a paint job on an 85 PT40 that NADA books at $27k. It's one of those things where you'll never, ever get your money back. Now, if money weren't an issue, I would be all for the best paint job ever by the best painters in the States! Jerry 85 PT40 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" > > Bruce it is several Navaro jobs that I critique. Maybe they were Monday morning paint jobs. The on-the-job education like learning to remove awnings!!! and checking for bare metal on areas sanded by hand and run down thru the prepaint coating is where in time, once in a while they may get things right. There can never be a replacement for the superior quality of USA craftmenship and service. Kind of the reason Canadians buy Wanderlodges. > > > I don't believe you get what you pay for but you can demand it in the US > Greg ofTim&Greg > 94ptca > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote: > > > > Greg: > > > > Maybe your xperience with Mexican body shops is in TJ. But Navaroo's in Algadones has a superb reputation. The prep is awesome as they hand sand the whole coach. There are bus conversions running around that had jobs done there beyond 5 years and they still look good. He has gotten better with removing external items such as awnings. I would not hesitate to have my unit painted in his shop. The cost difference is in the labor not the paint. > > > > > > Bruce > > > > 88 FC 35 > > > Need an opinion - mbulriss - 06-22-2009 06:38 Greg, Perhaps the perception of the quality of the Navarro paint jobs that you saw lies in not in knowing what level of work the owner specified when contracting with them. Remember, even Earl Scheib's has menu pricing. I've only seen one of Navarro's paint jobs (that I know of anyway) up close and personal, but it was very well done. However, that owner spelled out exactly what he wanted done up front and he went in each day during the process to inspect the work and to point out anything that was unacceptable or not the way he wanted it. The end result was a *very* good paint job. And for the price that owner paid, it was beyond a screaming deal, that he could not have touched in the states. Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" San Antonio, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" > > Bruce it is several Navaro jobs that I critique. Maybe they were Monday morning paint jobs. The on-the-job education like learning to remove awnings!!! and checking for bare metal on areas sanded by hand and run down thru the prepaint coating is where in time, once in a while they may get things right. There can never be a replacement for the superior quality of USA craftmenship and service. Kind of the reason Canadians buy Wanderlodges. > > > I don't believe you get what you pay for but you can demand it in the US > Greg ofTim&Greg > 94ptca > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote: > > > > Greg: > > > > Maybe your xperience with Mexican body shops is in TJ. But Navaroo's in Algadones has a superb reputation. The prep is awesome as they hand sand the whole coach. There are bus conversions running around that had jobs done there beyond 5 years and they still look good. He has gotten better with removing external items such as awnings. I would not hesitate to have my unit painted in his shop. The cost difference is in the labor not the paint. > > > > > > Bruce > > > > 88 FC 35 > > > Need an opinion - Stephen Birtles - 06-22-2009 07:00 Canadians buy wanderlodges not because of location where they were built I would buy Canadian But they are not built here And really the quality is soso Buy a Wanderlodge and get a hobby fixing it and i would not touch a 2004=2006 because they were spec'ed oh so well light weight front ends too small tires watch the lawsuits and when did you see a wanderlodge built in Canada or for that matter now any where else. creative book keeping, the economy and poof they are gone Stephen --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...> wrote: > > Greg, > > Perhaps the perception of the quality of the Navarro paint jobs that you saw lies in not in knowing what level of work the owner specified when contracting with them. Remember, even Earl Scheib's has menu pricing. > > I've only seen one of Navarro's paint jobs (that I know of anyway) up close and personal, but it was very well done. However, that owner spelled out exactly what he wanted done up front and he went in each day during the process to inspect the work and to point out anything that was unacceptable or not the way he wanted it. The end result was a *very* good paint job. And for the price that owner paid, it was beyond a screaming deal, that he could not have touched in the states. > > Mike Bulriss > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" > > > > Bruce it is several Navaro jobs that I critique. Maybe they were Monday morning paint jobs. The on-the-job education like learning to remove awnings!!! and checking for bare metal on areas sanded by hand and run down thru the prepaint coating is where in time, once in a while they may get things right. There can never be a replacement for the superior quality of USA craftmenship and service. Kind of the reason Canadians buy Wanderlodges. > > > > > > I don't believe you get what you pay for but you can demand it in the US > > Greg ofTim&Greg > > 94ptca > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote: > > > > > > Greg: > > > > > > Maybe your xperience with Mexican body shops is in TJ. But Navaroo's in Algadones has a superb reputation. The prep is awesome as they hand sand the whole coach. There are bus conversions running around that had jobs done there beyond 5 years and they still look good. He has gotten better with removing external items such as awnings. I would not hesitate to have my unit painted in his shop. The cost difference is in the labor not the paint. > > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > 88 FC 35 > > > > > > Need an opinion - Pete Masterson - 06-22-2009 07:38 Back in the late 60s, I accompanied a friend to a Tijuana upholstery shop to get a 'tuck and roll' job for his '57 Chevy. My friend was obviously tuned in to the process -- he specified exactly what he wanted and exactly when he wanted it completed. We then stayed in the shop as the work progressed, ensuring that nothing was overlooked or done slip-shod. He also never let on that he spoke reasonably fluent Spanish -- until late in the day when he "reviewed" the job with the proprietor. In the end, we had a really fine upholstery job, completed by 4:30 PM (about 30 minutes "late") for an exceedingly reasonable sum for the times. Since we has specified a completion time, the shop actually took workers off other projects (that had arrived before us) to complete our job... Labor rates in Mexico are far below U.S. rates. Craftsmanship can meet or exceed U.S. standards -- but it is important to monitor the job and ensure that short cuts are avoided.
Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 El Sobrante CA "aeonix1@mac.com" On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:38 AM, mbulriss wrote:
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