Sound- absorption or reflection

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40 6V92TA
74FC34 6V53T

Stephen Birtles wrote:

We will look into re manufacturing or redesigning a similar product

that will work as sound absorption as well as heat dissipation

It will take some time to get a satisfactory product.

Stephen 77fc35

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com",
"Ernest Ekberg"

.> wrote:

>

> After installing many generator compartments with the new
insulation, I

> was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.

> I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December. He

> measured the db levels before and after and found that while the
heat

> was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also

> deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over 90.

> I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way
downwind as

> my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with me???

> But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while
reflecting

> the heat, let's talk about it.

> Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~

>

Sound- absorption or reflection - Marv & Jean - 02-20-2009 15:48

Boeing is using a foam to insulate their new Dreamliner called
Basotect. I don't know anything about it other that it is supposed to
have high sound absorption capacity and good thermal insulation
properties.

Marv
2004 M380
Ocean Shores, WA 98569

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
wrote:
>
> After installing many generator compartments with the new insulation,
I
> was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.
> I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December. He
> measured the db levels before and after and found that while the heat
> was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also
> deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over 90.
> I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way downwind
as
> my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with me???
> But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while
reflecting
> the heat, let's talk about it.
> Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~
>

Sound- absorption or reflection - jim riordan - 02-20-2009 16:01

I would assume that the sound deading material used in these generator compartments actually reflect the nooise down. so the noie is forced under the coaches. Many boats and I belive that some new coaches now have a box lined with sound deading which the generator is placed.

just a thought

jim riordan

88 wbwl xxv

stuart fl

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Ernest Ekberg wrote:

From: Ernest Ekberg
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Sound- absorption or reflection
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 7:43 PM

After installing many generator compartments with the new insulation, I
was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.
I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December. He
measured the db levels before and after and found that while the heat
was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also
deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over 90.
I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way downwind as
my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with me???
But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while reflecting
the heat, let's talk about it.
Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~

Sound- absorption or reflection - mariopatti1 - 02-20-2009 17:43

Hi All
Reading the info sheet on Basotect , sounds like the product were
looking for . I would like to try it .
Mario 1985FC35 Carlsbad CA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Marv & Jean"
wrote:
>
> Boeing is using a foam to insulate their new Dreamliner called
> Basotect. I don't know anything about it other that it is
supposed to
> have high sound absorption capacity and good thermal insulation
> properties.
>
> Marv
> 2004 M380
> Ocean Shores, WA 98569
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"

> wrote:
> >
> > After installing many generator compartments with the new
insulation,
> I
> > was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.
> > I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December.
He
> > measured the db levels before and after and found that while the
heat
> > was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also
> > deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over
90.
> > I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way
downwind
> as
> > my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with
me???
> > But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while
> reflecting
> > the heat, let's talk about it.
> > Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~
> >
>

Sound- absorption or reflection - timvasqz - 02-20-2009 18:05

To disipate heat, is to transfer it. Steve maybe you can disapate it
thru a dupree valve back to the tank? Call it Hot$$$$ ?

I understand that the vault gets up to +250 degrees(USA). I guess
that is a factor for Ernie to consider once he removed the disipation
path of the vault heat to the bus interior. where does that heat
now go.

Insulation keeps environments from disapating heat. heat is removed
so the method to remove the heat in the compartment would now be the
radiator system and the diesel engine is the heat sink, but the
diesel engine caused most of the heat. If the origional design was
not intended to do that it would have to be beefed up

If you insulate the exhaust the otherwise exposed metal does not
radiate heat in the compartment. heat goes out the stack with the
exhast air. But is the stack able to take all the extra heat.

If someone complains to me about the noise my genset is making I
say "What? can't hear you, my genset is too loud".
GregofTim&Greg
94ptCa

In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> We will look into re manufacturing or redesigning a similar product
> that will work as sound absorption as well as heat dissipation
> It will take some time to get a satisfactory product.
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> wrote:
> >
> > After installing many generator compartments with the new
insulation, I
> > was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.
> > I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December.
He
> > measured the db levels before and after and found that while the
heat
> > was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also
> > deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over
90.
> > I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way
downwind as
> > my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with me???
> > But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while
reflecting
> > the heat, let's talk about it.
> > Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~
> >
>

Sound- absorption or reflection - Ernie Ekberg - 02-21-2009 01:23

Jim, while the some of the noise was deflected down, 30 more db was reflected to the front of the radiator. Bob's coach has the front fan/radiator.

Ernie Ekberg

83PT40

Wanderlodge

Weatherford, Tx

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, jim riordan wrote:

From: jim riordan
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Sound- absorption or reflection
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:01 PM

I would assume that the sound deading material used in these generator compartments actually reflect the nooise down. so the noie is forced under the coaches. Many boats and I belive that some new coaches now have a box lined with sound deading which the generator is placed.

just a thought

jim riordan

88 wbwl xxv

stuart fl

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Ernest Ekberg wrote:

From: Ernest Ekberg
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Sound- absorption or reflection
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 7:43 PM

After installing many generator compartments with the new insulation, I
was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.
I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December. He
measured the db levels before and after and found that while the heat
was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also
deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over 90.
I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way downwind as
my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with me???
But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while reflecting
the heat, let's talk about it.
Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~

Sound- absorption or reflection - Ernie Ekberg - 02-21-2009 01:39

I wonder how an individual would purchase this?

Ernie Ekberg

83PT40

Wanderlodge

Weatherford, Tx

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, mariopatti1 wrote:

From: mariopatti1
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Sound- absorption or reflection
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:43 PM

Hi All
Reading the info sheet on Basotect , sounds like the product were
looking for . I would like to try it .
Mario 1985FC35 Carlsbad CA

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Marv & Jean"
wrote:
>
> Boeing is using a foam to insulate their new Dreamliner called
> Basotect. I don't know anything about it other that it is
supposed to
> have high sound absorption capacity and good thermal insulation
> properties.
>
> Marv
> 2004 M380
> Ocean Shores, WA 98569
>
> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Ernest Ekberg"

> wrote:
> >
> > After installing many generator compartments with the new
insulation,

> I
> > was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.
> > I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December.
He
> > measured the db levels before and after and found that while the
heat
> > was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also
> > deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over
90.
> > I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way
downwind
> as
> > my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with
me???
> > But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while
> reflecting
> > the heat, let's talk about it.
> > Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~
> >
>

Sound- absorption or reflection - Stephen Birtles - 02-21-2009 03:26

why thank you for the mindless dribble another useless comment

Stephen 77fc35

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
>
> To disipate heat, is to transfer it. Steve maybe you can disapate it
> thru a dupree valve back to the tank? Call it Hot$$$$ ?
>
> I understand that the vault gets up to +250 degrees(USA). I guess
> that is a factor for Ernie to consider once he removed the disipation
> path of the vault heat to the bus interior. where does that heat
> now go.
>
> Insulation keeps environments from disapating heat. heat is removed
> so the method to remove the heat in the compartment would now be the
> radiator system and the diesel engine is the heat sink, but the
> diesel engine caused most of the heat. If the origional design was
> not intended to do that it would have to be beefed up
>
> If you insulate the exhaust the otherwise exposed metal does not
> radiate heat in the compartment. heat goes out the stack with the
> exhast air. But is the stack able to take all the extra heat.
>
> If someone complains to me about the noise my genset is making I
> say "What? can't hear you, my genset is too loud".
> GregofTim&Greg
> 94ptCa
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> wrote:
> >
> > We will look into re manufacturing or redesigning a similar product
> > that will work as sound absorption as well as heat dissipation
> > It will take some time to get a satisfactory product.
> > Stephen 77fc35
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > After installing many generator compartments with the new
> insulation, I
> > > was wondering if there is a manufacturer that offers both.
> > > I insulated Bob Lawrences' generator compartment last December.
> He
> > > measured the db levels before and after and found that while the
> heat
> > > was reflected from the interior of the coach, the sound was also
> > > deflected to the outside. thus his db levels INCREASED to over
> 90.
> > > I know my with my coach, that I have been asked to park way
> downwind as
> > > my generator is really loud. Maybe its the dogs I carry with me???
> > > But, if there is a product that will absorb that sound while
> reflecting
> > > the heat, let's talk about it.
> > > Ernie-83PT40 in Texas, buying earplugs by the case~
> > >
> >
>