Lighting problem - jburgessx2 -  02-05-2009 13:01
 
 
I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our Beaver 
and bought this 85 PT40.  I religously read the emails twice daily 
and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge here.  I think I need 
some help now myself.  I've fixed two plumbing problems and assorted 
other things and still have a few to go.  Here's my main problem 
today: 
 
  - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn on 
the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front curtains 
on both sides.  The other night the lights all went out and I haven't 
been able to get them to turn on. 
 
  - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them 
throughout the coach. 
 
  - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for loose 
wires, all to no avail. 
 
  - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to get 
them to turn on in 2 days. 
 
Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Thanks again. 
 
Jerry and Jayne 
Full timing in our 85 PT40
 
 
 
Lighting problem - Don Bradner -  02-05-2009 14:42
 
 
Somewhere there are breakers for those lights (12v breakers). On mine, they are 
on the passenger side overhead mid-coach, just forward of the refrigerator. 
Since that is only one of 5 separate 12V distribution areas on this coach I am 
not about to assume that's where yours are, but you need to find the appropriate 
panel. 
 
Don Bradner 
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" 
Posting today by aircard from the Flying J in Lodi, California 
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1 
 
On 2/6/2009 at 1:01 AM jburgessx2 wrote: 
 
>I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our Beaver 
>and bought this 85 PT40.  I religously read the emails twice daily 
>and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge here.  I think I need 
>some help now myself.  I've fixed two plumbing problems and assorted 
>other things and still have a few to go.  Here's my main problem 
>today: 
> 
> - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn on 
>the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front curtains 
>on both sides.  The other night the lights all went out and I haven't 
>been able to get them to turn on. 
> 
> - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them 
>throughout the coach. 
> 
> - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for loose 
>wires, all to no avail. 
> 
> - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to get 
>them to turn on in 2 days. 
> 
>Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
>Thanks again. 
> 
>Jerry and Jayne 
>Full timing in our 85 PT40 
> 
> 
> 
>------------------------------------ 
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links 
> 
> 
>
 
 
 
Lighting problem - jburgessx2 -  02-05-2009 16:09
 
 
Don, 
 
I've found a few busses and load centers but I have yet to see a 
circuit breaker for the 12 volt system.  I've checked the books that 
came with the coach and it doesn't tell me where the circuit breakers 
are.  I haven't yet checked behind the left headlight panel but will 
tomorrow. 
 
Jerry 
85 PT40 
 
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" 
 wrote: 
> 
> Somewhere there are breakers for those lights (12v breakers). On 
mine, they are on the passenger side overhead mid-coach, just forward 
of the refrigerator. Since that is only one of 5 separate 12V 
distribution areas on this coach I am not about to assume that's 
where yours are, but you need to find the appropriate panel. 
> 
> Don Bradner 
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" 
> Posting today by aircard from the Flying J in Lodi, California 
> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1 
> 
> On 2/6/2009 at 1:01 AM jburgessx2 wrote: 
> 
> >I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our 
Beaver 
> >and bought this 85 PT40.  I religously read the emails twice daily 
> >and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge here.  I think I 
need 
> >some help now myself.  I've fixed two plumbing problems and 
assorted 
> >other things and still have a few to go.  Here's my main problem 
> >today: 
> > 
> > - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn 
on 
> >the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front 
curtains 
> >on both sides.  The other night the lights all went out and I 
haven't 
> >been able to get them to turn on. 
> > 
> > - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them 
> >throughout the coach. 
> > 
> > - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for 
loose 
> >wires, all to no avail. 
> > 
> > - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to 
get 
> >them to turn on in 2 days. 
> > 
> >Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. 
> > 
> >Thanks again. 
> > 
> >Jerry and Jayne 
> >Full timing in our 85 PT40 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >------------------------------------ 
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
 
 
 
Lighting problem - Curt Sprenger -  02-05-2009 17:10
 
 
Jerry, 
 
Seems strange that all would stop working at one time.  
 
Follow the other responses first. 
 
Assuming the '85 PT40 is the same as an '87 PT38... 
 
Is there 12V at the switch(s)?  
 
 
If there is 12V...remove one of the florescent fixture frame/box. There should be an inverter attached to the fixture box...the lights work on AC and have an inverter to run each light. Test for 12V feeding the inverter.  
 
 
If there is 12V...and assuming the bulbs are good...replace the inverter as it's no longer working. Stephen Birtles sells the inverters. You will need one for each florescent fixture. I changed several in our coach.  
 
 
Good luck. 
 Curt Sprenger 
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" 
Anaheim Hills, CA 
 
 
 
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:09 PM, jburgessx2  <"jburgessx2@yahoo.com"> wrote:
 
Don,
 
I've found a few busses and load centers but I have yet to see a 
 
circuit breaker for the 12 volt system. I've checked the books that 
 
came with the coach and it doesn't tell me where the circuit breakers 
 
are. I haven't yet checked behind the left headlight panel but will 
 
tomorrow.
 
Jerry 
 
85 PT40
 
--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Don Bradner" 
 
 wrote: 
 
> 
 
> Somewhere there are breakers for those lights (12v breakers). On  
 
mine, they are on the passenger side overhead mid-coach, just forward  
 
of the refrigerator. Since that is only one of 5 separate 12V  
 
distribution areas on this coach I am not about to assume that's  
 
where yours are, but you need to find the appropriate panel. 
 
>  
 
> Don Bradner 
 
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" 
 
> Posting today by aircard from the Flying J in Lodi, California 
 
> My location: www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1 
 
>  
 
> On 2/6/2009 at 1:01 AM jburgessx2 wrote: 
 
>  
 
> >I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our  
 
Beaver  
 
> >and bought this 85 PT40. I religously read the emails twice daily  
 
> >and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge here. I think I  
 
need  
 
> >some help now myself. I've fixed two plumbing problems and  
 
assorted  
 
> >other things and still have a few to go. Here's my main problem  
 
> >today: 
 
> > 
 
> > - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn  
 
on  
 
> >the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front  
 
curtains  
 
> >on both sides. The other night the lights all went out and I  
 
haven't  
 
> >been able to get them to turn on. 
 
> > 
 
> > - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them  
 
> >throughout the coach. 
 
> > 
 
> > - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for  
 
loose  
 
> >wires, all to no avail.  
 
> > 
 
> > - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to  
 
get  
 
> >them to turn on in 2 days. 
 
> > 
 
> >Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
> > 
 
> >Thanks again. 
 
> > 
 
> >Jerry and Jayne 
 
> >Full timing in our 85 PT40 
 
> > 
 
> > 
 
> > 
 
> >------------------------------------ 
 
> > 
 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links 
 
> > 
 
> > 
 
> > 
 
> 
 
 
 
  
  
 
    
 
 
 
Lighting problem - Ernie Ekberg -  02-06-2009 00:42
 
 
Jerry, take the 3 switchs completly out of their mount. I bet that there is a butt connection that is feeding those switches that has come loose. I had the same problem. 
 
 
Ernie Ekberg 
83PT40 
Wanderlodge 
Weatherford, Tx 
 
--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Curt Sprenger  wrote: 
 
From: Curt Sprenger  
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Lighting problem 
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:10 PM 
 
 
Jerry, 
Seems strange that all would stop working at one time. 
 
Follow the other responses first.
 
Assuming the '85 PT40 is the same as an '87 PT38...
 
Is there 12V at the switch(s)? 
 
If there is 12V...remove one of the florescent fixture frame/box. There should be an inverter attached to the fixture box...the lights work on AC and have an inverter to run each light. Test for 12V feeding the inverter. 
 
If there is 12V...and assuming the bulbs are good...replace the inverter as it's no longer working. Stephen Birtles sells the inverters. You will need one for each florescent fixture. I changed several in our coach. 
 
Good luck.
 Curt Sprenger 
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" 
Anaheim Hills, CA
 On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:09 PM, jburgessx2  <"jburgessx2@yahoo.com"> wrote:
 
Don, 
 
I've found a few busses and load centers but I have yet to see a  
circuit breaker for the 12 volt system. I've checked the books that  
came with the coach and it doesn't tell me where the circuit breakers  
are. I haven't yet checked behind the left headlight panel but will  
tomorrow. 
 
Jerry  
85 PT40 
 
--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Don Bradner"  
 
 wrote: 
> 
> Somewhere there are breakers for those lights (12v breakers). On  
mine, they are on the passenger side overhead mid-coach, just forward  
of the refrigerator. Since that is only one of 5 separate 12V  
distribution areas on this coach I am not about to assume that's  
where yours are, but you need to find the appropriate panel. 
>  
> Don Bradner 
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" 
> Posting today by aircard from the Flying J in Lodi, California 
> My location: www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1 
>  
> On 2/6/2009 at 1:01 AM jburgessx2 wrote: 
>  
> >I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our  
Beaver  
> >and bought this 85 PT40. I religously read the emails twice daily  
> >and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge 
here. I think I  
need  
> >some help now myself. I've fixed two plumbing problems and  
assorted  
> >other things and still have a few to go. Here's my main problem  
> >today: 
> > 
> > - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn  
on  
> >the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front  
curtains  
> >on both sides. The other night the lights all went out and I  
haven't  
> >been able to get them to turn on. 
> > 
> > - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them  
> >throughout the coach. 
> > 
> > - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for  
loose  
> >wires, all to no avail.  
> > 
> > - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to  
get  
> >them to turn on in 2 days. 
> > 
> >Any ideas and help would 
be greatly appreciated. 
> > 
> >Thanks again. 
> > 
> >Jerry and Jayne 
> >Full timing in our 85 PT40 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >------------ --------- --------- ------ 
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
 
   
     
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Lighting problem - Pete Masterson -  02-06-2009 06:31
 
 
12V circuit breakers are fuse-like thingies with a little push switch on them. They otherwise look like the regular 2-prong automotive-type fuses. Half or more of the fuses on my coach are the circuit breaker type. Most of the rest are silver-canisters (that look a lot like the circuit breaker type) and a few are typical colored plastic fuses.
 Unless someone has added ad hoc fuses, the fuses and circuit breakers should be in one of the several power centers in your coach. 
 My coach is quite a lot newer, so the locations are likely different. I note, however, that a "hidden" power center was behind the above-dash cabinets that I only found when I was trying to fix a bad wire on my TV antenna. I was then able to resolve a dead power feed to the passenger power seat control which had eluded me for months.... So the hint is to check cabinets for removable panels at the rear that might conceal a power center. 
 A circuit tracer tool _might_ be helpful -- but sometimes it's impossible to fully trace the circuit. 
 Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale) El Sobrante CA "aeonix1@mac.com" 
 
 
    
On Feb 5, 2009, at 8:09 PM, jburgessx2 wrote: Don, 
I've found a few busses and load centers but I have yet to see a  
circuit breaker for the 12 volt system. I've checked the books that  
came with the coach and it doesn't tell me where the circuit breakers  
are. I haven't yet checked behind the left headlight panel but will  
tomorrow.
 
Jerry  
85 PT40
 
--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Don Bradner" 
  wrote: 
Somewhere there are breakers for those lights (12v breakers). On  mine, they are on the passenger side overhead mid-coach, just forward  
of the refrigerator. Since that is only one of 5 separate 12V  
distribution areas on this coach I am not about to assume that's  
where yours are, but you need to find the appropriate panel. 
Don Bradner 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" Posting today by aircard from the Flying J in Lodi, California My location: www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1 On 2/6/2009 at 1:01 AM jburgessx2 wrote: I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our   Beaver  
and bought this 85 PT40. I religously read the emails twice daily  
 and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge here. I think I   need  
some help now myself. I've fixed two plumbing problems and   assorted  
other things and still have a few to go. Here's my main problem  
 today: 
 
 - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn   on  
the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front   curtains  
on both sides. The other night the lights all went out and I   haven't  
been able to get them to turn on. 
 
 - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them  
 throughout the coach. 
 
 - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for   loose  
wires, all to no avail.  
 
 - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to   get  
them to turn on in 2 days. 
 
 Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
 Thanks again. 
 
 Jerry and Jayne 
 Full timing in our 85 PT40 
 
 
 
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Lighting problem - Don Bradner -  02-06-2009 09:33
 
 
On 2/6/2009 at 10:31 AM Pete Masterson wrote: 
 
>Half or more of the fuses on my coach are the circuit breaker 
>type. Most of the rest are silver-canisters (that look a lot like the 
>circuit breaker type) 
 
Pete, those are self-resetting circuit breakers.
 
 
 
Lighting problem - Bob Lawrence -  02-06-2009 11:29
 
 
Try Ernie's solution first. 
I have been behind those swithes a lot adding wires and butt 
connectors are all over the place back there. 
Bob Lawrence 
84 PT36 
Workcamping at Laguna Atascosa NWR Texas 
 
> I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our 
Beaver 
> and bought this 85 PT40.  I religously read the emails twice daily 
> and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge here.  I think I need 
> some help now myself.  I've fixed two plumbing problems and 
assorted 
> other things and still have a few to go.  Here's my main problem 
> today: 
> 
>  - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn 
on 
> the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front 
curtains 
> on both sides.  The other night the lights all went out and I 
haven't 
> been able to get them to turn on. 
> 
>  - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them 
> throughout the coach. 
> 
>  - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for loose 
> wires, all to no avail. 
> 
>  - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to get 
> them to turn on in 2 days. 
> 
> Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks again. 
> 
> Jerry and Jayne 
> Full timing in our 85 PT40 
>
 
 
 
Lighting problem - GARY MINKER -  02-07-2009 03:19
 
 
I have an 85 pt40 I would be happy to talk to you about things you should know. 
Gary Minker 
561 969-9245 
 
--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Bob Lawrence  wrote: 
From: Bob Lawrence  
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Lighting problem 
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 6:29 PM 
 
 
 
Try Ernie's solution first. 
 
I have been behind those swithes a lot adding wires and butt  
 
connectors are all over the place back there. 
 
Bob Lawrence 
 
84 PT36 
 
Workcamping at Laguna Atascosa NWR Texas 
 
 
 
> I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our  
 
Beaver  
 
> and bought this 85 PT40. I religously read the emails twice daily  
 
> and it appears there is a wealth of knowledge here. I think I need  
 
> some help now myself. I've fixed two plumbing problems and  
 
assorted  
 
> other things and still have a few to go. Here's my main problem  
 
> today: 
 
>  
 
> - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn  
 
on  
 
> the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front  
 
curtains  
 
> on both sides. The other night the lights all went out and I  
 
haven't  
 
> been able to get them to turn on. 
 
>  
 
> - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them  
 
> throughout the coach. 
 
>  
 
> - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for loose  
 
> wires, all to no avail.  
 
>  
 
> - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to get  
 
> them to turn on in 2 days. 
 
>  
 
> Any ideas and help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
>  
 
> Thanks again. 
 
>  
 
> Jerry and Jayne 
 
> Full timing in our 85 PT40 
 
> 
 
 
 
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Lighting problem - GARY MINKER -  02-07-2009 03:23
 
 
sometimes the switches are stab wired not terminal screw wired and the stab in connections fail. Just re make the connections on the terminals if this is the case 
 
--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Ernie Ekberg  wrote: 
From: Ernie Ekberg  
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Lighting problem 
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:42 AM 
 
Jerry, take the 3 switchs completly out of their mount. I bet that there is a butt connection that is feeding those switches that has come loose. I had the same problem. 
 
 
Ernie Ekberg 
83PT40 
Wanderlodge 
Weatherford, Tx 
 
--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Curt Sprenger  wrote: 
 
From: Curt Sprenger  
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Lighting problem 
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com 
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:10 PM 
 
 
Jerry, 
Seems strange that all would stop working at one time. 
 
Follow the other responses first.
 
Assuming the '85 PT40 is the same as an '87 PT38...
 
Is there 12V at the switch(s)? 
 
If there is 12V...remove one of the florescent fixture frame/box. There should be an inverter attached to the fixture box...the lights work on AC and have an inverter to run each light. Test for 12V feeding the inverter. 
 
If there is 12V...and assuming the bulbs are good...replace the inverter as it's no longer working. Stephen Birtles sells the inverters. You will need one for each florescent fixture. I changed several in our coach. 
 
Good luck.
 Curt Sprenger 
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" 
Anaheim Hills, CA
 On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:09 PM, jburgessx2  <jburgessx2@yahoo. com> wrote:
 
Don, 
I've found a few busses and load centers but I have yet to see a  
circuit breaker for the 12 volt system. I've checked the books that  
came with the coach and it doesn't tell me where the circuit breakers  
are. I haven't yet checked behind the left headlight panel but will  
tomorrow.
 
Jerry  
85 PT40
 
--- In  WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Don Bradner" 
  
 wrote: 
> 
> Somewhere there are breakers for those lights (12v breakers). On  
mine, they are on the passenger side overhead mid-coach, just forward  
of the refrigerator. Since that is only one of 5 separate 12V  
distribution areas on this coach I am not about to assume that's  
where yours are, but you need to find the appropriate panel. 
>  
> Don Bradner 
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" 
> Posting today by aircard from the Flying J in Lodi, California 
> My location: www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1 
>  
> On 2/6/2009 at 1:01 AM jburgessx2 wrote: 
>  
> >I registered on this forum a few weeks back after we sold our  
Beaver  
> >and bought this 85 PT40. I religously read the emails twice daily  
> >and it appears there is a wealth of 
knowledge 
here. I think I  
need  
> >some help now myself. I've fixed two plumbing problems and  
assorted  
> >other things and still have a few to go. Here's my main problem  
> >today: 
> > 
> > - Our 85 PT40 has the light switches above the front door to turn  
on  
> >the light over the door and turn on the lights by the front  
curtains  
> >on both sides. The other night the lights all went out and I  
haven't  
> >been able to get them to turn on. 
> > 
> > - The little individual lights work as do the rest of them  
> >throughout the coach. 
> > 
> > - I did take off all the switch plate covers and checked for  
loose  
> >wires, all to no avail.  
> > 
> > - The lights did work sporadically, but I haven't been able to  
get  
> >them to turn on in 2 days. 
> > 
> >Any ideas and help would 
be greatly appreciated. 
> > 
> >Thanks again. 
> > 
> >Jerry and Jayne 
> >Full timing in our 85 PT40 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >------------ --------- --------- ------ 
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
 
   
     
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