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I guess I just don't understand why all the modifications need to be made to
reverse the situation with electricity. It seems the connection is already
there. In my mind A modification to the switch near the front door that switches
between shore 50/30 and gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling the
breaker/switch that connects the house to the grid.

Robert Rahn
88 pt 40
Kalispell, Mt.

I believe it has to do with the grounds are now in the wrong place. The main would now be considered a subpanel and the ground is not allowed to be bonded to a neutral and it is at the house panel. That's from my feeble understanding of wiring.

Jason

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 23, 2012, at 10:28 AM, "chaunceyboyblu" <"chaunceyboyblu@hotmail.com"> wrote:

I guess I just don't understand why all the modifications need to be made to reverse the situation with electricity. It seems the connection is already there. In my mind A modification to the switch near the front door that switches between shore 50/30 and gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling the breaker/switch that connects the house to the grid.

Robert Rahn

88 pt 40

Kalispell, Mt.

Robert, the reason for the switch is to prevent one end or the other of the
connection from becoming a fire hazard.

Donn

On 1/23/12 9:28 AM, "chaunceyboyblu" wrote:

> I guess I just don't understand why all the modifications need to be made to
> reverse the situation with electricity. It seems the connection is already
> there. In my mind A modification to the switch near the front door that
> switches between shore 50/30 and gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling
> the breaker/switch that connects the house to the grid.
>
> Robert Rahn
> 88 pt 40
> Kalispell, Mt.

At the coach: The existing 50 amp shore
connection is designed to get power TO the
coach's breaker panel. The coach's transfer
switch prevents generator power from getting
to the 50 amp shore connection, as it should.
Power from the genset goes only to the
coach's breaker panel, and only when the
transfer switch is set to "Gen". That is why
adding a 50 amp breaker and receptacle to the
coach's panel makes sense. There are other
possibilities like tapping into the genset at
the transfer switch, but this would probably
be more difficult to design and implement
(and more dangerous) than just adding a 50
amp branch circuit to the existing panel with
inexpensive garden variety building supply
parts.

At the house: There must be a transfer
switch installed at the house's panel so that
power can be fed to the panel from the power
company or from a genset. The switch has two
purposes: 1. To select the power source,
and 2. To assure that power from both the
power company and the genset can NEVER reach
the panel at the same time. This is an
extremely important safety issue for
protection of both the homeowner and power
company electricians. Even a sloppy
electrical design still tends to be
foolproof; pulling a breaker instead of
installing a transfer switch is far from
foolproof.

So in reality, the connections are usually
NOT there. I've seen the odd coach where a
50 amp receptacle has been added, and lots of
houses already have a generator transfer
switch. If those changes are not already
made, they need to be.

There are outlaw methods that could be used
instead (like pulling or turning off the
house's main breaker), but even in the hands
of a well practiced electrician this can lead
to damage, fire, injury, or death. The same
could be said for trying to turn the coach's
shore power connector into a source of genset
power. Twelve kilowatts of power is no joke.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

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house

I guess I just don't understand why all the
modifications need to be made to reverse the
situation with electricity. It seems the
connection is already there. In my mind A
modification to the switch near the front
door that switches between shore 50/30 and
gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling
the breaker/switch that connects the house to
the grid.

Robert Rahn
88 pt 40
Kalispell, Mt.

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As a retired personal injury lawyer, I will tell you that if you do this wrong and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any insurancethat would provide you coverage and a judgment against you is a foregone conclusion.
Just thought you should know.
Wallace & Faye Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

From: BG 

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:25 PM

Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house

At the coach: The existing 50 amp shore

connection is designed to get power TO the

coach's breaker panel. The coach's transfer

switch prevents generator power from getting

to the 50 amp shore connection, as it should.

Power from the

genset goes only to the

coach's breaker panel, and only when the

transfer switch is set to "Gen". That is why

adding a 50 amp breaker and receptacle to the

coach's panel makes sense. There are other

possibilities like tapping into the genset at

the transfer switch, but this would probably

be more difficult to design and implement

(and more dangerous) than just adding a 50

amp branch circuit to the existing panel with

inexpensive garden variety building supply

parts.

At the house: There must be a transfer

switch installed at the house's panel so that

power can be fed to the panel from the power

company or from a genset. The switch has two

purposes: 1. To select the power source,

and 2. To assure that power from both the

power company and the genset can NEVER reach

the panel at the same time. This is an

extremely important safety

issue for

protection of both the homeowner and power

company electricians. Even a sloppy

electrical design still tends to be

foolproof; pulling a breaker instead of

installing a transfer switch is far from

foolproof.

So in reality, the connections are usually

NOT there. I've seen the odd coach where a

50 amp receptacle has been added, and lots of

houses already have a generator transfer

switch. If those changes are not already

made, they need to be.

There are outlaw methods that could be used

instead (like pulling or turning off the

house's main breaker), but even in the hands

of a well practiced electrician this can lead

to damage, fire, injury, or death. The same

could be said for trying to turn the coach's

shore power connector into a source of genset

power. Twelve kilowatts of power is no joke.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

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To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to

house

I guess I just don't understand why all the

modifications need to be made to reverse the

situation with electricity. It seems the

connection is already there. In my mind A

modification to the switch near the front

door that switches between shore 50/30 and

gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling

the breaker/switch that connects the house to

the grid.

Robert Rahn

88 pt 40

Kalispell, Mt.

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This would seem an excellentnote on whichto conclude this discussion. Commercial power shall return before any appropriate modifications to your existing electrical distribution system can be designed and installed. Furthermore,your objective is much more practically realized by the purchase of an auxiliary AC generator properly wired to your household system in anticipation of future failures of the commercial source. K.I.S.S.

Regards,

Donn Borden

__________________________________________________________________________________________

In a message dated 1/23/2012 7:38:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, wallacecraig1@... writes:

As a retired personal injury lawyer, I will tell you that if you do this wrong and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any insurancethat would provide you coverage and a judgment against you is a foregone conclusion.

Just thought you should know.

Wallace & Faye Craig

95 WLWB 42

Azle, Texas

From: BG
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house

At the coach: The existing 50 amp shore
connection is designed to get power TO the
coach's breaker panel. The coach's transfer
switch prevents generator power from getting
to the 50 amp shore connection, as it should.
Power from the genset goes only to the
coach's breaker panel, and only when the
transfer switch is set to "Gen". That is why
adding a 50 amp breaker and receptacle to the
coach's panel makes sense. There are other
possibilities like tapping into the genset at
the transfer switch, but this would probably
be more difficult to design and implement
(and more dangerous) than just adding a 50
amp branch circuit to the existing panel with
inexpensive garden variety building supply
parts.

At the house: There must be a transfer
switch installed at the house's panel so that
power can be fed to the panel from the power
company or from a genset. The switch has two
purposes: 1. To select the power source,
and 2. To assure that power from both the
power company and the genset can NEVER reach
the panel at the same time. This is an
extremely important safety issue for
protection of both the homeowner and power
company electricians. Even a sloppy
electrical design still tends to be
foolproof; pulling a breaker instead of
installing a transfer switch is far from
foolproof.

So in reality, the connections are usually
NOT there. I've seen the odd coach where a
50 amp receptacle has been added, and lots of
houses already have a generator transfer
switch. If those changes are not already
made, they need to be.

There are outlaw methods that could be used
instead (like pulling or turning off the
house's main breaker), but even in the hands
of a well practiced electrician this can lead
to damage, fire, injury, or death. The same
could be said for trying to turn the coach's
shore power connector into a source of genset
power. Twelve kilowatts of power is no joke.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

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[mailto:"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"] On
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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:28 A
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to
house

I guess I just don't understand why all the
modifications need to be made to reverse the
situation with electricity. It seems the
connection is already there. In my mind A
modification to the switch near the front
door that switches between shore 50/30 and
gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling
the breaker/switch that connects the house to
the grid.

Robert Rahn
88 pt 40
Kalispell, Mt.

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I did a post yesterday which apparently never made it.
I said as a retired trial lawyer, if you do the gen hookup and do it wrong and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any insurance that would cover you inthe event of an injury. Very risky all around.
Wallace & Faye Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

From: "PDMcCripe@..." 
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:05 PM

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house

This would seem an excellentnote on whichto conclude this discussion. Commercial power shall return before any appropriate modifications to your existing electrical distribution system can be designed and installed. Furthermore,your objective is much more practically realized by the purchase of an auxiliary AC generator properly wired to your household system in anticipation of future failures of the commercial source. K.I.S.S.
Regards,
Donn Borden
________________________________________________________________________________​__________
In a message dated 1/23/2012 7:38:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, wallacecraig1@... writes:
As a retired personal injury lawyer, I will tell you that if you do this wrong and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any insurancethat would provide you coverage and a judgment against you is a foregone conclusion.
Just thought you should know.
Wallace & Faye Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

From: BG 

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:25 PM

Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house

At the coach: The existing 50 amp shore

connection is designed to get power TO the

coach's breaker panel. The coach's transfer

switch prevents generator power from getting

to the 50 amp shore connection, as it should.

Power from the genset goes only to the

coach's breaker panel, and only when the

transfer switch is set to "Gen". That is why

adding a 50

amp breaker and receptacle to the

coach's panel makes sense. There are other

possibilities like tapping into the genset at

the transfer switch, but this would probably

be more difficult to design and implement

(and more dangerous) than just adding a 50

amp branch circuit to the existing panel with

inexpensive garden variety building supply

parts.

At the house: There must be a transfer

switch installed at the house's panel so that

power can be fed to the panel from the power

company or from a genset. The switch has two

purposes: 1. To select the power source,

and 2. To assure that power from both the

power company and the genset can NEVER reach

the panel at the same time. This is an

extremely important safety issue for

protection of both the homeowner and power

company electricians. Even a sloppy

electrical design still tends to

be

foolproof; pulling a breaker instead of

installing a transfer switch is far from

foolproof.

So in reality, the connections are usually

NOT there. I've seen the odd coach where a

50 amp receptacle has been added, and lots of

houses already have a generator transfer

switch. If those changes are not already

made, they need to be.

There are outlaw methods that could be used

instead (like pulling or turning off the

house's main breaker), but even in the hands

of a well practiced electrician this can lead

to damage, fire, injury, or death. The same

could be said for trying to turn the coach's

shore power connector into a source of genset

power. Twelve kilowatts of power is no joke.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:28 A

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to

house

I guess I just don't understand why all the

modifications need to be made to reverse the

situation with electricity. It seems the

connection is already there. In my mind A

modification to the switch near the front

door that switches between shore 50/30 and

gen would be all

that is needed. Also pulling

the breaker/switch that connects the house to

the grid. 

Robert Rahn

88 pt 40

Kalispell, Mt.

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Wallace: Your post came through to my portal and read very well.

Was wondering when the NEC was going to be mentioned in this thread.
And, this has been done in the past, using the gen set for power
outages. The "buddy plug" was installed from the Gen set main breaker box,
where 2, 50 amp main circuit breakers are installed. Then an automatic
transfer switch (or rather 2 of them) installed at the house and a "buddy
plug" adapter cable ran. Cost ran about $4.5K if memory serves. Jack, hit
the nail, and not just for the USA, about the proper permits and
inspections and being signed off by the proper authorities. And Bill hit it
with the NEC and other items mentioned as did Chuck. But, most of all,
Ernie had the right mixture at the on set of the thread, run extension
cords to the bare minimums in the house and stay in the warm Coach.
Charolette and I did that very thing last winter when power was out for 12
days here.

Another thread really hit the proper solution in my minds eye and that is a
pad being put down and a Generac installed. They are dependable units, go
through monthly self checks and start for prevent maint needs, just an all
around good way to go.

As to the original part of the thread, power can not be back fed though the
Coach existing power cable to the house. We have been there before on this
thought.

Here is hoping we make it through the rough time coming,

Safe travels,

Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 07:18 AM 1/24/2012 -0800, you wrote:

>I did a post yesterday which apparently never made it.
>
> I said as a retired trial lawyer, if you do the gen hookup and do it
> wrong and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any
> insurance that would cover you in the event of an injury. Very risky all
> around. b9b7f3.jpg
>Wallace & Faye Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
>
>>From: "PDMcCripe@..." >>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house
>>
>>
>>
>>This would seem an excellent note on which to conclude this
>>discussion. Commercial power shall return before any appropriate
>>modifications to your existing electrical distribution system can be
>>designed and installed. Furthermore, your objective is much more
>>practically realized by the purchase of an auxiliary AC generator
>>properly wired to your household system in anticipation of future
>>failures of the commercial source. K.I.S.S.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Donn Borden
>>______________________________________________________________________________\
____________
>>
>>In a message dated 1/23/2012 7:38:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>>wallacecraig1@... writes:
>>>
>>>As a retired personal injury lawyer, I will tell you that if you do this
>>>wrong and hurt someone, you are toastb9b81b.jpg. I doubt that you have
>>>any insurance that would provide you coverage and a judgment against you
>>>is a foregone conclusion.
>>>
>>>Just thought you should know.b9b861.jpg
>>>
>>>Wallace & Faye Craig
>>>95 WLWB 42
>>>Azle, Texas
>>>
>>>>From: BG
>>>>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house
>>>>
>>>>At the coach: The existing 50 amp shore
>>>>connection is designed to get power TO the
>>>>coach's breaker panel. The coach's transfer
>>>>switch prevents generator power from getting
>>>>to the 50 amp shore connection, as it should.
>>>>Power from the genset goes only to the
>>>>coach's breaker panel, and only when the
>>>>transfer switch is set to "Gen". That is why
>>>>adding a 50 amp breaker and receptacle to the
>>>>coach's panel makes sense. There are other
>>>>possibilities like tapping into the genset at
>>>>the transfer switch, but this would probably
>>>>be more difficult to design and implement
>>>>(and more dangerous) than just adding a 50
>>>>amp branch circuit to the existing panel with
>>>>inexpensive garden variety building supply
>>>>parts.
>>>>
>>>>At the house: There must be a transfer
>>>>switch installed at the house's panel so that
>>>>power can be fed to the panel from the power
>>>>company or from a genset. The switch has two
>>>>purposes: 1. To select the power source,
>>>>and 2. To assure that power from both the
>>>>power company and the genset can NEVER reach
>>>>the panel at the same time. This is an
>>>>extremely important safety issue for
>>>>protection of both the homeowner and power
>>>>company electricians. Even a sloppy
>>>>electrical design still tends to be
>>>>foolproof; pulling a breaker instead of
>>>>installing a transfer switch is far from
>>>>foolproof.
>>>>
>>>>So in reality, the connections are usually
>>>>NOT there. I've seen the odd coach where a
>>>>50 amp receptacle has been added, and lots of
>>>>houses already have a generator transfer
>>>>switch. If those changes are not already
>>>>made, they need to be.
>>>>
>>>>There are outlaw methods that could be used
>>>>instead (like pulling or turning off the
>>>>house's main breaker), but even in the hands
>>>>of a well practiced electrician this can lead
>>>>to damage, fire, injury, or death. The same
>>>>could be said for trying to turn the coach's
>>>>shore power connector into a source of genset
>>>>power. Twelve kilowatts of power is no joke.
>>>>
>>>>Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From:
>>>>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>>>>[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On
>>>>Behalf Of chaunceyboyblu
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:28 A
>>>>To:
>>>>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to
>>>>house
>>>>
>>>>I guess I just don't understand why all the
>>>>modifications need to be made to reverse the
>>>>situation with electricity. It seems the
>>>>connection is already there. In my mind A
>>>>modification to the switch near the front
>>>>door that switches between shore 50/30 and
>>>>gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling
>>>>the breaker/switch that connects the house to
>>>>the grid.
>>>>
>>>>Robert Rahn
>>>>88 pt 40
>>>>Kalispell, Mt.
>>>>
>

Wallace:
I forgot u were a trial Lawyer....how about a shark to shark courtesy and find
me a Texas buyer for my 90SP36?
Thanks,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36
currently in OZ

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
wrote:
>
> I did a post yesterday which apparently never made it.
>
> I said as a retired trial lawyer, if you do the gen hookup and do it wrong
and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any insurance that would
cover you in the event of an injury. Very risky all around.
> Wallace & Faye Craig
> 95 WLWB 42
> Azle, Texas
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: "PDMcCripe@..." > >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >This would seem an excellent note on which to conclude this discussion.
Commercial power shall return before any appropriate modifications to your
existing electrical distribution system can be designed and installed.
Furthermore, your objective is much more practically realized by the purchase of
an auxiliary AC generator properly wired to your household system in
anticipation of future failures of the commercial source. K.I.S.S.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Donn Borden
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________\
___________
> >
> >In a message dated 1/23/2012 7:38:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
wallacecraig1@... writes:
> >
> >>As a retired personal injury lawyer, I will tell you that if you do this
wrong and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any insurance that
would provide you coverage and a judgment against you is a foregone conclusion.
> >>
> >>Just thought you should know.
> >>
> >>Wallace & Faye Craig
> >>95 WLWB 42
> >>Azle, Texas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>From: BG
> >>>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:25 PM
> >>>Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house
> >>>
> >>>At the coach: The existing 50 amp shore
> >>>connection is designed to get power TO the
> >>>coach's breaker panel. The coach's transfer
> >>>switch prevents generator power from getting
> >>>to the 50 amp shore connection, as it should.
> >>>Power from the genset goes only to the
> >>>coach's breaker panel, and only when the
> >>>transfer switch is set to "Gen". That is why
> >>>adding a 50 amp breaker and receptacle to the
> >>>coach's panel makes sense. There are other
> >>>possibilities like tapping into the genset at
> >>>the transfer switch, but this would probably
> >>>be more difficult to design and implement
> >>>(and more dangerous) than just adding a 50
> >>>amp branch circuit to the existing panel with
> >>>inexpensive garden variety building supply
> >>>parts.
> >>>
> >>>At the house: There must be a transfer
> >>>switch installed at the house's panel so that
> >>>power can be fed to the panel from the power
> >>>company or from a genset. The switch has two
> >>>purposes: 1. To select the power source,
> >>>and 2. To assure that power from both the
> >>>power company and the genset can NEVER reach
> >>>the panel at the same time. This is an
> >>>extremely important safety issue for
> >>>protection of both the homeowner and power
> >>>company electricians. Even a sloppy
> >>>electrical design still tends to be
> >>>foolproof; pulling a breaker instead of
> >>>installing a transfer switch is far from
> >>>foolproof.
> >>>
> >>>So in reality, the connections are usually
> >>>NOT there. I've seen the odd coach where a
> >>>50 amp receptacle has been added, and lots of
> >>>houses already have a generator transfer
> >>>switch. If those changes are not already
> >>>made, they need to be.
> >>>
> >>>There are outlaw methods that could be used
> >>>instead (like pulling or turning off the
> >>>house's main breaker), but even in the hands
> >>>of a well practiced electrician this can lead
> >>>to damage, fire, injury, or death. The same
> >>>could be said for trying to turn the coach's
> >>>shore power connector into a source of genset
> >>>power. Twelve kilowatts of power is no joke.
> >>>
> >>>Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >>>[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On
> >>>Behalf Of chaunceyboyblu
> >>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:28 A
> >>>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to
> >>>house
> >>>
> >>>I guess I just don't understand why all the
> >>>modifications need to be made to reverse the
> >>>situation with electricity. It seems the
> >>>connection is already there. In my mind A
> >>>modification to the switch near the front
> >>>door that switches between shore 50/30 and
> >>>gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling
> >>>the breaker/switch that connects the house to
> >>>the grid.
> >>>
> >>>Robert Rahn
> >>>88 pt 40
> >>>Kalispell, Mt.
> >>>
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If I hear of anyone, I will sure send them your way.
Wallace & Faye Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

From: HANK 

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:44 PM

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: coach gen to house

Wallace:

I forgot u were a trial Lawyer....how about a shark to shark courtesy and find me a Texas buyer for my 90SP36?

Thanks,

Hank Hannigan

90SP36

currently in OZ

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", Wallace Craig  wrote:

>

> I did a post yesterday which apparently never made it.

> 

> I said as a retired trial lawyer, if you do the gen hookup and do it wrong and hurt someone, you are toast. I doubt that you have any insurance that would cover you inthe event of an injury. Very risky all around.

> Wallace & Faye Craig

> 95 WLWB 42

> Azle, Texas

> 

> 

> >________________________________

> >From: "PDMcCripe@..." 
> >To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" 

> >Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:05 PM

> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] coach

gen to house

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >This would seem an excellentnote on whichto conclude this discussion. Commercial power shall return before any appropriate modifications to your existing electrical distribution system can be designed and installed. Furthermore,your objective is much more practically realized by the purchase of an auxiliary AC generator properly wired to your household system in anticipation of future failures of the commercial source. K.I.S.S.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Donn Borden

> >________________________________________________________________________________​__________

> >

> >In a message dated 1/23/2012 7:38:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, wallacecraig1@... writes:

> > 

> >>As a retired personal injury lawyer, I will tell you that if you do this wrong and hurt someone, you are

toast. I doubt that you have any insurancethat would provide you coverage and a judgment against you is a foregone conclusion.

> >>

> >>Just thought you should know.

> >>

> >>Wallace & Faye Craig

> >>95 WLWB 42

> >>Azle, Texas

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>________________________________

> >>>From: BG 

> >>>To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" 

> >>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:25 PM

> >>>Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to house

> >>>

> >>>At the coach: The existing 50 amp shore

> >>>connection is designed to get power TO the

> >>>coach's breaker

panel. The coach's transfer

> >>>switch prevents generator power from getting

> >>>to the 50 amp shore connection, as it should.

> >>>Power from the genset goes only to the

> >>>coach's breaker panel, and only when the

> >>>transfer switch is set to "Gen". That is why

> >>>adding a 50 amp breaker and receptacle to the

> >>>coach's panel makes sense. There are other

> >>>possibilities like tapping into the genset at

> >>>the transfer switch, but this would probably

> >>>be more difficult to design and implement

> >>>(and more dangerous) than just adding a 50

> >>>amp branch circuit to the existing panel with

> >>>inexpensive garden variety building supply

> >>>parts.

> >>>

> >>>At the

house: There must be a transfer

> >>>switch installed at the house's panel so that

> >>>power can be fed to the panel from the power

> >>>company or from a genset. The switch has two

> >>>purposes: 1. To select the power source,

> >>>and 2. To assure that power from both the

> >>>power company and the genset can NEVER reach

> >>>the panel at the same time. This is an

> >>>extremely important safety issue for

> >>>protection of both the homeowner and power

> >>>company electricians. Even a sloppy

> >>>electrical design still tends to be

> >>>foolproof; pulling a breaker instead of

> >>>installing a transfer switch is far from

> >>>foolproof.

> >>>

> >>>So in reality, the

connections are usually

> >>>NOT there. I've seen the odd coach where a

> >>>50 amp receptacle has been added, and lots of

> >>>houses already have a generator transfer

> >>>switch. If those changes are not already

> >>>made, they need to be.

> >>>

> >>>There are outlaw methods that could be used

> >>>instead (like pulling or turning off the

> >>>house's main breaker), but even in the hands

> >>>of a well practiced electrician this can lead

> >>>to damage, fire, injury, or death. The same

> >>>could be said for trying to turn the coach's

> >>>shore power connector into a source of genset

> >>>power. Twelve kilowatts of power is no joke.

> >>>

> >>>Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

>

>>>

> >>>-----Original Message-----

> >>>From: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

> >>>[mailto:"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"] On

> >>>Behalf Of chaunceyboyblu

> >>>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 7:28 A

> >>>To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

> >>>Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] coach gen to

> >>>house

> >>>

> >>>I guess I just don't understand why all the

> >>>modifications need to be made to reverse the

> >>>situation with electricity. It seems the

>

>>>connection is already there. In my mind A

> >>>modification to the switch near the front

> >>>door that switches between shore 50/30 and

> >>>gen would be all that is needed. Also pulling

> >>>the breaker/switch that connects the house to

> >>>the grid. 

> >>>

> >>>Robert Rahn

> >>>88 pt 40

> >>>Kalispell, Mt.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

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