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Hi Everyone,


We have 80+ sign ups for our 2010 "ANNUAL BLUEBIRD QUARTZSITE RALLY", January
16-24, 2010.

Join the party! Go to our Quartzsite homepage for details and to sign up:

http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/annua...ite_rally/

We have two very timely events scheduled that are related to Randy Dupree's
recent loss of his coach by fire.

First, a presentation and demonstration by Jim Sheperd of RV Safety Systems.
Jim will be demonstrating his 'Cold Fire' fire extinguishers (used by NHRA), and
his on-board RV fire detection/suppression system.

Second, Lucas Willemse will discuss fusing of motorhome electrical systems and
show how he's fused his coach to protect against a fire caused by electrical
short.

These are only two of the many events that are being planned for the 2010 `Q'
Rally. Details of these and all other planned events will be posted soon on
the SWBB Quartzsite Rally homepage. Bookmark it and check back often.

Register with SWBB and sign up for our Quartzsite Rally today, and be a part of
the biggest gathering of Bluebird motorhomes in the West:

http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/

http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/annua...ite_rally/

"Talk" to you all later,

Phil Corpus
`iWander'
85PT40
Left Coast

EMAIL: swbb_coordinators@...

I'll do one on large footwear , which I believe will help with fire protection
as much as a big fancy suppression system and electrical mods. It s cool to look
at these devices but maintenance and review is probably one of the biggest
protectors.

one thing that fails to make the 20 year life cycle on the bus that provides
fire protection is all the simple plastic loom covers that are zip tied on over
the high amp wires. where they wear thru in 10 years you can bet is a spot that
needs attention as the wire insulation is next. To replace the loom covers with
the same gives you that many years proven protection. all the engineered
grommets placed in critical chaffing locations need to be reviewed. wet down
some wires and pay attention to the ones that dry first and quickly.

I see mods all the time that dont employ the same practices the critical
engineering dictated. like slack in electrical lines and tie downs where things
can separate. many of the add on electrial overload protection devices are
firehazzards.

I have only herd of one thread by DickH 3 years ago about the relays that suck
power all the time (continuous duty). these relays have to degrade and in time
draw more and more current, producing more and more heat until they pop or
internally ground out and make a solid short. they need to be replaced or
changed to a circuit that is closed by power or manual effort.

then there is my reason to save data and stats. ie battery consumption that
bleeds off goes some place. when that consumption increases the energy is spent
and heat is produced. find the heat, find the issue.

5 amp short can start a fire if the fuel around the fire needs little heat to
pop. check for fuel in areas that get hot or hold hot appliances and functions.

the great thing about the net and folks like Randy and Carol is their issue will
be found and shared in the effort to help others learn to avoid that same
result. I dont think the 95pt is unsafe or additional modifications need to be
installed. Shit happens and historically repeats its self. With Randys help I
am sure the history wont only be a picture montage of a bus fire but an essay on
the reasons and way to avoid the same.

The fire Hype has me looking at all the wires , looms and feeling for heat. I
checked my extinguishers and put the insurance company's phone number in my
wallet.


Greg 94ptca


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
>
> Phil, I can lead a discussion on coach  renovations. If you think that would
be good, let me know.
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Wanderlodge
> Weatherford, Tx  817-475-3991
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
>
> --- On Thu, 11/19/09, iwander_85pt40 wrote:
>
>
> From: iwander_85pt40 > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] SWBB: 2010 'Q' Rally: Two important presentations
scheduled
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 7:32 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> We have 80+ sign ups for our 2010 "ANNUAL BLUEBIRD QUARTZSITE RALLY", January
16-24, 2010.
>
> Join the party! Go to our Quartzsite homepage for details and to sign up:
>
> http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/annual_ quartzsite_ rally/
>
> We have two very timely events scheduled that are related to Randy Dupree's
recent loss of his coach by fire.
>
> First, a presentation and demonstration by Jim Sheperd of RV Safety Systems.
Jim will be demonstrating his 'Cold Fire' fire extinguishers (used by NHRA), and
his on-board RV fire detection/suppressi on system.
>
> Second, Lucas Willemse will discuss fusing of motorhome electrical systems and
show how he's fused his coach to protect against a fire caused by electrical
short.
>
> These are only two of the many events that are being planned for the 2010 `Q'
Rally. Details of these and all other planned events will be posted soon on the
SWBB Quartzsite Rally homepage. Bookmark it and check back often.
>
> Register with SWBB and sign up for our Quartzsite Rally today, and be a part
of the biggest gathering of Bluebird motorhomes in the West:
>
> http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/
>
> http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/annual_ quartzsite_ rally/
>
> "Talk" to you all later,
>
> Phil Corpus
> `iWander'
> 85PT40
> Left Coast
>
> EMAIL: swbb_coordinators@ southwest- bluebirds. org
>

Hi Ernie,

You're on. I'll contact you privately.

Phil
'iWander'
85PT40
Left Coast

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
>
> Phil, I can lead a discussion on coach  renovations. If you think that would
be good, let me know.
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Wanderlodge
> Weatherford, Tx  817-475-3991
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
>
> --- On Thu, 11/19/09, iwander_85pt40 wrote:
>
>
> From: iwander_85pt40 > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] SWBB: 2010 'Q' Rally: Two important presentations
scheduled
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 7:32 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> We have 80+ sign ups for our 2010 "ANNUAL BLUEBIRD QUARTZSITE RALLY", January
16-24, 2010.
>
> Join the party! Go to our Quartzsite homepage for details and to sign up:
>
> http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/annual_ quartzsite_ rally/
>
> We have two very timely events scheduled that are related to Randy Dupree's
recent loss of his coach by fire.
>
> First, a presentation and demonstration by Jim Sheperd of RV Safety Systems.
Jim will be demonstrating his 'Cold Fire' fire extinguishers (used by NHRA), and
his on-board RV fire detection/suppressi on system.
>
> Second, Lucas Willemse will discuss fusing of motorhome electrical systems and
show how he's fused his coach to protect against a fire caused by electrical
short.
>
> These are only two of the many events that are being planned for the 2010 `Q'
Rally. Details of these and all other planned events will be posted soon on the
SWBB Quartzsite Rally homepage. Bookmark it and check back often.
>
> Register with SWBB and sign up for our Quartzsite Rally today, and be a part
of the biggest gathering of Bluebird motorhomes in the West:
>
> http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/
>
> http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/annual_ quartzsite_ rally/
>
> "Talk" to you all later,
>
> Phil Corpus
> `iWander'
> 85PT40
> Left Coast
>
> EMAIL: swbb_coordinators@ southwest- bluebirds. org
>

Hi Greg,

You're on, also. I have you scheduled for 10:00 AM, January 28. Send me an
outline of your presentation. :-) :-)

Has your palm tree forest grown? We need to fill that lake up a bit more and
add a few more pink flamingoes, too.

See you in Quartzsite --

Gotta go find that rainbow knit cap.

Phil
'iWander'
85PT40
Left Coast



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gregory O" wrote:
>
>
> I'll do one on large footwear , which I believe will help with fire protection
as much as a big fancy suppression system and electrical mods. It s cool to look
at these devices but maintenance and review is probably one of the biggest
protectors.
>
> one thing that fails to make the 20 year life cycle on the bus that provides
fire protection is all the simple plastic loom covers that are zip tied on over
the high amp wires. where they wear thru in 10 years you can bet is a spot that
needs attention as the wire insulation is next. To replace the loom covers with
the same gives you that many years proven protection. all the engineered
grommets placed in critical chaffing locations need to be reviewed. wet down
some wires and pay attention to the ones that dry first and quickly.
>
> I see mods all the time that dont employ the same practices the critical
engineering dictated. like slack in electrical lines and tie downs where things
can separate. many of the add on electrial overload protection devices are
firehazzards.
>
> I have only herd of one thread by DickH 3 years ago about the relays that suck
power all the time (continuous duty). these relays have to degrade and in time
draw more and more current, producing more and more heat until they pop or
internally ground out and make a solid short. they need to be replaced or
changed to a circuit that is closed by power or manual effort.
>
> then there is my reason to save data and stats. ie battery consumption that
bleeds off goes some place. when that consumption increases the energy is spent
and heat is produced. find the heat, find the issue.
>
> 5 amp short can start a fire if the fuel around the fire needs little heat to
pop. check for fuel in areas that get hot or hold hot appliances and functions.
>
> the great thing about the net and folks like Randy and Carol is their issue
will be found and shared in the effort to help others learn to avoid that same
result. I dont think the 95pt is unsafe or additional modifications need to be
installed. Shit happens and historically repeats its self. With Randys help I
am sure the history wont only be a picture montage of a bus fire but an essay on
the reasons and way to avoid the same.
>
> The fire Hype has me looking at all the wires , looms and feeling for heat. I
checked my extinguishers and put the insurance company's phone number in my
wallet.
>
>
> Greg 94ptca
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >
> > Phil, I can lead a discussion on coach  renovations. If you think that
would be good, let me know.
> >
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83PT40
> > Wanderlodge
> > Weatherford, Tx  817-475-3991
> > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, iwander_85pt40 wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: iwander_85pt40 > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] SWBB: 2010 'Q' Rally: Two important
presentations scheduled
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 7:32 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > We have 80+ sign ups for our 2010 "ANNUAL BLUEBIRD QUARTZSITE RALLY",
January 16-24, 2010.
> >
> > Join the party! Go to our Quartzsite homepage for details and to sign up:
> >
> > http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/annual_ quartzsite_ rally/
> >
> > We have two very timely events scheduled that are related to Randy Dupree's
recent loss of his coach by fire.
> >
> > First, a presentation and demonstration by Jim Sheperd of RV Safety Systems.
Jim will be demonstrating his 'Cold Fire' fire extinguishers (used by NHRA), and
his on-board RV fire detection/suppressi on system.
> >
> > Second, Lucas Willemse will discuss fusing of motorhome electrical systems
and show how he's fused his coach to protect against a fire caused by electrical
short.
> >
> > These are only two of the many events that are being planned for the 2010
`Q' Rally. Details of these and all other planned events will be posted soon on
the SWBB Quartzsite Rally homepage. Bookmark it and check back often.
> >
> > Register with SWBB and sign up for our Quartzsite Rally today, and be a part
of the biggest gathering of Bluebird motorhomes in the West:
> >
> > http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/
> >
> > http://www.southwes t-bluebirds. org/annual_ quartzsite_ rally/
> >
> > "Talk" to you all later,
> >
> > Phil Corpus
> > `iWander'
> > 85PT40
> > Left Coast
> >
> > EMAIL: swbb_coordinators@ southwest- bluebirds. org
> >
>