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Wallace Craig

04-03-2009, 03:06
It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged; the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that recreational vehicles areexcluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position that a CDL


Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

Don Bradner

04-03-2009, 03:50
D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and then
apply it beyond its scope.

522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from chapter
522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter 521 where a
Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle over 26K, and there
is no RV exemption in that chapter.

On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor
>Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>recreational vehicles are excluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>that a CDL
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas

Wallace Craig

04-03-2009, 03:57
Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years fighting insurance companies. I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.


Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner wrote:

From: Don Bradner
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM


D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and then apply it beyond its scope.

522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter 521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.

On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor
>Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>recreational vehicles areexcluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>Attorney
Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>that a CDL
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas





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Don Bradner

04-03-2009, 04:12
That's part of what makes it hard to understand why you would try to apply a law
beyond its scope. Some laws are difficult to understand. This one isn't.

On 4/3/2009 at 8:57 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years
>fighting insurance companies.   I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and
>pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
>
>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner wrote:
>
>
>From: Don Bradner
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM
>
>
>D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and
>then apply it beyond its scope.
>
>522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from
>chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter
>521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle
>over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.
>
>On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:
>
>>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor
>>Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>>recreational vehicles are excluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>>Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>>that a CDL
>>
>>
>>Wallace Craig
>>95 WLWB 42
>>Azle, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
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Wallace Craig

04-03-2009, 04:18
So you say.


Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner wrote:

From: Don Bradner
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:12 AM


That's part of what makes it hard to understand why you would try to apply a law beyond its scope. Some laws are difficult to understand. This one isn't.

On 4/3/2009 at 8:57 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years
>fighting insurance companies. I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and
>pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
>
>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner <bluethunder@...> wrote:
>
>
>From: Don Bradner <bluethunder@...>
>Subject: Re:
[WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM
>
>
>D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and
>then apply it beyond its scope.
>
>522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from
>chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter
>521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle
>over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.
>
>On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:
>
>>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor
>>Coach is
wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>>recreational vehicles areexcluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>>Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>>that a CDL
>>
>>
>>Wallace Craig
>>95 WLWB 42
>>Azle, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Don Bradner

04-03-2009, 04:32
I do, as do others. You are a lone voice crying in the wilderness. If you
succeed, all you will have accomplished is getting an organization to spend
unnecessary money to find out what they already knew to be true.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1

On 4/3/2009 at 9:18 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>So you say.
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
>
>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner wrote:
>
>
>From: Don Bradner
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:12 AM
>
>
>That's part of what makes it hard to understand why you would try to apply
>a law beyond its scope. Some laws are difficult to understand. This one
>isn't.
>
>On 4/3/2009 at 8:57 AM Wallace Craig wrote:
>
>>Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years
>>fighting insurance companies.   I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and
>>pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.
>>
>>
>>Wallace Craig
>>95 WLWB 42
>>Azle, Texas
>>
>>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner wrote:
>>
>>
>>From: Don Bradner
>>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
>>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM
>>
>>
>>D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and
>>then apply it beyond its scope.
>>
>>522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from
>>chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter
>>521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle
>>over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.
>>
>>On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:
>>
>>>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>>>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family
>Motor
>>>Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>>>recreational vehicles are excluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>>>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>>>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>>>Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>>>that a CDL
>>>
>>>
>>>Wallace Craig
>>>95 WLWB 42
>>>Azle, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Pete Masterson

04-03-2009, 05:34
My dad, a lawyer, state legislator, and judge for over 50 years once told me:
If you have the law on your side, argue the law.
If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts.
If you have neither the law nor the facts on your side, ... just argue.
Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Wallace Craig wrote:

So you say.

Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- OnFri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner<"bluethunder@arcatapet.com">wrote:
From: Don Bradner <"bluethunder@arcatapet.com">
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To:"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:12 AM

That's part of what makes it hard to understand why you would try to apply a law beyond its scope. Some laws are difficult to understand. This one isn't.

On 4/3/2009 at 8:57 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years
>fighting insurance companies. I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and
>pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
>
>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner <bluethunder@...> wrote:
>
>
>From: Don Bradner <bluethunder@...>
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
>To:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM
>
>
>D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and
>then apply it beyond its scope.
>
>522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from
>chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter
>521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle
>over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.
>
>On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:
>
>>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor
>>Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>>recreational vehicles areexcluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>>Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>>that a CDL
>>
>>
>>Wallace Craig
>>95 WLWB 42
>>Azle, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Wallace Craig

04-03-2009, 06:46
A wise man.


Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Pete Masterson wrote:

From: Pete Masterson
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:34 PM


My dad, a lawyer, state legislator, and judge for over 50 years once told me:
If you have the law on your side, argue the law.
If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts.
If you have neither the law nor the facts on your side, ... just argue.



Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA


On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Wallace Craig wrote:



So you say.


Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- OnFri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner<bluethunder@...>wrote:

From: Don Bradner <bluethunder@...>
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:12 AM


That's part of what makes it hard to understand why you would try to apply a law beyond its scope. Some laws are difficult to understand. This one isn't.

On 4/3/2009 at 8:57 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years
>fighting insurance companies. I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and
>pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
>
>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner <bluethunder@...> wrote:
>
>
>From: Don Bradner <bluethunder@...>
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class
B
>To:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM
>
>
>D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and
>then apply it beyond its scope.
>
>522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from
>chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter
>521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle
>over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.
>
>On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:
>
>>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor
>>Coach is
wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>>recreational vehicles areexcluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>>Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>>that a CDL
>>
>>
>>Wallace Craig
>>95 WLWB 42
>>Azle, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
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Ron Thompson

04-03-2009, 10:27
I am in your corner wallace.


Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.

1995 WLWB 42'

(cockyfox@...)

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Wallace Craig wrote:
From: Wallace Craig
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:57 AM



Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years fighting insurance companies. I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.


Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner wrote:

From: Don Bradner
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM


D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and then apply it beyond its scope.

522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter 521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.

On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;
>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family Motor
>Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that
>recreational vehicles areexcluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I
>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards
>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no
>Attorney
Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position
>that a CDL
>
>
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas





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Ron Thompson

04-03-2009, 10:36
I agree with Wallace. Rule Chapter 522 follows 521 and corrects 521 since it is the latter ruling. wouldn't that make sense. I agree that a qualified Texas lawyer needs to rule on it. I have enough lawyer fees already or I would pay for one.


Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.

1995 WLWB 42'

(cockyfox@...)

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner wrote:
From: Don Bradner
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:32 AM



I do, as do others. You are a lone voice crying in the wilderness. If you succeed, all you will have accomplished is getting an organization to spend unnecessary money to find out what they already knew to be true.



Don Bradner

90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"

My location: http://www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1



On 4/3/2009 at 9:18 AM Wallace Craig wrote:



>So you say.

>

>

>Wallace Craig

>95 WLWB 42

>Azle, Texas

>

>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com"> wrote:

>

>

>From: Don Bradner <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com">

>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B

>To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:12 AM

>

>

>That's part of what makes it hard to understand why you would try to apply

>a law beyond its scope. Some laws are difficult to understand. This one

>isn't.

>

>On 4/3/2009 at 8:57 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>

>>Of course I am sturbon, I am a trial lawyer retired after 45 years

>>fighting insurance companies. I just hope FMCA steps up to the plate and

>>pays for a legal opinion as I have asked them to do.

>>

>>

>>Wallace Craig

>>95 WLWB 42

>>Azle, Texas

>>

>>--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Don Bradner <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com"> wrote:

>>

>>

>>From: Don Bradner <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com">

>>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Texas CDL class B

>>To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

>>Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:50 AM

>>

>>

>>D**n, you are stubborn! You take a clear and unambiguous statement and

>>then apply it beyond its scope.

>>

>>522.004 states, clearly and unambiguously, that RVs are excluded from

>>chapter 522. Period. That does not allow the statement to apply to chapter

>>521 where a Class A or B (nothing about CDL) is required for any vehicle

>>over 26K, and there is no RV exemption in that chapter.

>>

>>On 4/3/2009 at 8:06 AM Wallace Craig wrote:

>>

>>>It is with no particular satisfaction that my opinion remains unchanged;

>>>the article about Texas CDL appearing in the current issue of Family

>Motor

>>>Coach is wrong. The exemption contained at TRC 522.004 statinng that

>>>recreational vehicles areexcluded from CDL is clear and unambigious. I

>>>have prevailed on the librarian at Tarrant County to run a sheppards

>>>citator on the statute and she find no case law on the question and no

>>>Attorney Generals opinion on the issue. She does agree with my position

>>>that a CDL

>>>

>>>

>>>Wallace Craig

>>>95 WLWB 42

>>>Azle, Texas

>>

>>

>>

>>

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