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Sam,

I've been running Michelin 31580R22.5's in ALL positions for a year-
22K miles so far- they were a great replacement for the 12R22.5's and
fit the same rim. I started with the steers in Jan. 2008 and liked the
ride so much that as $$ permitted, I got them for the drives in June
2008 and tags in December 2008. They are a load range L tire. Make
sure the duals are at 110 PSI and they do not touch each other. They
also do not rub the fenders. You will be amazed at the ride difference.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "surplushound"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ross" wrote:
> >
> > There are no super singles over 10,000 each as the market would only
> > be for overweight vehicles. Too small for production.
> > Fed law allows the maximum single axle weight to be 20,000 lbs.
> > Some builders have more than that as their GAWR ,and as a safety
> > factor ,that is great. Legally ,however , you run the risk of fines
> or
> > penalties if the load is over 20,000 lbs.
> >
> > The 365 tire has a maximum load of over 10,000 but would not be
> > suitable.
> > Ross 2006 LXi
> >
>
> I have had several people try to talk me into 11R 22.5's instead of the
> 12R 22.5's I now have. I looked on Michelin's site and couldn't find
> the 12R 22.5's . Have they been replaced by the 315's. Thanks
>
> Sam Powers
> 1985 PT40
> Lexington,Ohio
>

I wouldn't rule out using quality tires from another brand. Toyo and Sumitomo seem to have a good reputation. Personally, I'm leery of the Chinese tires...

12R22.5s are not as common as the 11R22.5 -- but most larger truck tire stores and chains seem to be able to get them (but you're less likely to get a "super" sale price -- however, those "super" sale prices may be on tires that are actually stale and have been laying around for 5 or more years... )

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale)

<http://www.aeonix.biz/BBforsale.html>

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Don Bradner wrote:

Go to www.michelinrvtires.com

Click on View All Tires

Check the box for XZE* (not the XZE without an asterisk) and then click Download Brochures.

On 2/13/2009 at 3:17 AM surplushound wrote:

I have had several people try to talk me into 11R 22.5's instead of the
12R 22.5's I now have. I looked on Michelin's site and couldn't find
the 12R 22.5's . Have they been replaced by the 315's. Thanks
Sam Powers
1985 PT40

I thought of doing that myself just for the look but I was advised that wheel replacment was needed and they are EXPENSIVE!

Scooter 2000LX Ocqueoc, Mi

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: surplushound@...
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:31:18 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Has anyone tried replacing dual drive tires with super singles?

I have excellent tread but the dreaded sidewall cracks from sun and
age. Looking for the best retire options for my 1985 PT40. Just
wondering if anyone has tried super singles on the drive axle? Thanks

Sam Powers
1985 PT40
Lexington,Ohio

I looked into super singles for my drives before I retired in
Washington state.
Found that they could hold 13k each, but the rims, being special, cost
600 bucks. Tires were also 600 bucks. Weight saved was 400 lbs.
Wasn't worth it so didn't.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Workcamping in Los Fresnos, Texas

> I have excellent tread but the dreaded sidewall cracks from sun and
> age. Looking for the best retire options for my 1985 PT40. Just
> wondering if anyone has tried super singles on the drive axle? Thanks
>
>
> Sam Powers
> 1985 PT40
> Lexington,Ohio
>

I have 22.5 on the steerand 24.5 on drive and tag. Would anyone want to swap the 24.5 for my 22.5? Don't know why the discrepency. Sure is hard to change a tire if I have a blowout on the steers.

Ernie Ekberg

83PT40

Wanderlodge

Weatherford, Tx

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Bob Lawrence wrote:

From: Bob Lawrence
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Has anyone tried replacing dual drive tires with super singles?
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 7:18 PM

I looked into super singles for my drives before I retired in
Washington state.
Found that they could hold 13k each, but the rims, being special, cost
600 bucks. Tires were also 600 bucks. Weight saved was 400 lbs.
Wasn't worth it so didn't.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Workcamping in Los Fresnos, Texas

> I have excellent tread but the dreaded sidewall cracks from sun and
> age. Looking for the best retire options for my 1985 PT40. Just
> wondering if anyone has tried super singles on the drive axle? Thanks
>
>
> Sam Powers
> 1985 PT40
> Lexington,Ohio
>

Bob,

My 315's are $600 a piece. If I could find a super single that could
handle the weight, I'd be happy to buy a wheel for $600.00.

Let's see:

If I stay with four 315's:
Four new tires is $600 times four: $2400

Or I could spend extra initially for the new super single wheels:
Two wheels at $600 for a total of $1200, plus two tires at $600
each for a total of $1200 and a grand total of $2400.

Future tire replacement saves $1200 with the super singles!

I'm sold, where did you find the 13000lb load rated super singles?

David Brady
'02 LXi, NC

-----Original Message-----

From: Bob Lawrence

Sent: Feb 13, 2009 8:18 PM

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Has anyone tried replacing dual drive tires with super singles?

I looked into super singles for my drives before I retired in

Washington state.

Found that they could hold 13k each, but the rims, being special, cost

600 bucks. Tires were also 600 bucks. Weight saved was 400 lbs.

Wasn't worth it so didn't.

Bob Lawrence

84 PT36

Workcamping in Los Fresnos, Texas

> I have excellent tread but the dreaded sidewall cracks from sun and

> age. Looking for the best retire options for my 1985 PT40. Just

> wondering if anyone has tried super singles on the drive axle? Thanks

>

>

> Sam Powers

> 1985 PT40

> Lexington,Ohio

>

I looked into these at Les Schwab Tires in Lakewood, Washington.

The other problem the mgr stated that if I blew one of these out in the
toolies town, that the local tire shop definitely wouldn't have them.

Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Los Fresnos, Texas

Bob,

I wonder where all the H.E.B. tractors and trailers that are on the highways in Texas get their serviceif they have a problem. They seem to have changed out all their equipment to the super singles And with 300 plus large grocery stores to service I am sure they took this into consideration. I also read that the EPA is encouraging this change over for fuel efficiency Probably wouldn't affect a motor home much, but here must be some good reason to invest in this change over.

Chet Geist

1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bob Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:49 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Has anyone tried replacing dual drive tires with super singles?

I looked into these at Les Schwab Tires in Lakewood, Washington.

The other problem the mgr stated that if I blew one of these out in the
toolies town, that the local tire shop definitely wouldn't have them.

Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Los Fresnos, Texas

Hi,
Safety should considered before a little fuel and a small percentage $
saving.
On the commercial rigs that use these, the economics play a bigger
role. Safety is less of an issue as these rigs are not overweight and
enforced maximums of 20,000 lbs per axle. Also a professional driver
is checking tire pressure daily, unlike most or all RV owners.
If a super single had rapid failure in the drive position, the
results would more likely be serious compared to a pro driver in a rig
that would not be damaged by disintegrating tire.
The dual gives a large safety margin.
Also the max load is 22,000 per axle at maximum pressure. With side to
side variance in RV's ,the pressure would nead to be max. No safety
margin.
Definitely a poor choice IMO.

See super single

http://www.michelintruck.com/michelintru...elector.do

Ross
2006 450LXi

Ross,

After you watch the videos on a truck and fully loaded trailer and on a bus with actual blowouts on the Michelin website I am impressed. Apparently the safety issue is a non issue. Cost to convert and fuel savings are the real issue for an RV owner.

Chet Geist

1981 FC33, Austin, Texas.

-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ross
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:12 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Has anyone tried replacing dual drive tires with super singles?

Hi,
Safety should considered before a little fuel and a small percentage $
saving.
On the commercial rigs that use these, the economics play a bigger
role. Safety is less of an issue as these rigs are not overweight and
enforced maximums of 20,000 lbs per axle. Also a professional driver
is checking tire pressure daily, unlike most or all RV owners.
If a super single had rapid failure in the drive position, the
results would more likely be serious compared to a pro driver in a rig
that would not be damaged by disintegrating tire.
The dual gives a large safety margin.
Also the max load is 22,000 per axle at maximum pressure. With side to
side variance in RV's ,the pressure would nead to be max. No safety
margin.
Definitely a poor choice IMO.

See super single

http://www.michelintruck.com/michelintruck/tireSelector.do

Ross
2006 450LXi

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