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erniecarpet

01-11-2009, 02:36
Our first Bluebird was a FC. If I had not been greedy, we would have still had that coach. I would have insulated the dog house, for sure. Makes all the difference in the world. A bird a "dog"? My 83 PT40 is a St Bernard- slow on the start but she will run all day.
Ernie-83PT40 in Texas
In a message dated 01/11/09 08:32:55 Central Standard Time, billpatty@... writes:



Burton,

We can confuse a new person with our wide variety of Inputs and
Opinions. One way to help in your decision is to attend a Rally,
there are many throught-out the US. A person can look at several
models of Birds and decide based on your personal needs and budget.

But do not abandon your search for an FC. The 3208 Caterpillar is not
a dog it purrs like a Kitten. FC's are great bargains, if they are
in good condition. The 3208 came in 210 HP, 225HP, 250HP and 300 HP.
Weight to HP ratio is very adequate in the later models.
They will acheive 7 MPG, some owners boast of near 10 MPG. This is a
big difference from a 6V or 8V. at 10,000 more lbs.

Bill 88 an FC "Fan" in Michigan

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "timvasqz" ..>
wrote:
>
> The sp's run a Cat3208 with a intercooler which dynamically makes
> the turo pushed air cooler and more dense. since you can pack more
> cold air into the fire at each stroke the result is a hotter burn
> and bigger bank giving 300 horse power which require a diff
> transmission than the Allison that was avaliable for the 3208 250hp
> previous FC's. The ZF was used inplace of the Allison.
>
> A pig is a pig but the 3208cat is a dog in every thing it ever
> powered. Corvette, who told you that?
> GregoryO'Connor94ptca
>
> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "blackmarjohn"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok I have taken the advice to heart and in the process of opening
> my
> > wallet. Moving from looking at FC projects, to get in and go PT
> or SP.
> >
> > I have heard the sp is the corvette of the Birds but they also
> appear
> > to be hard to find and expensive in relation to PT40's.
> >
> > The market appears to have have lots of PT's for sale now any
> reason
> > why?
> >
> > I assume bigger is better and the 8v92 is preferred over the
6v92?
> > The series 60 coaches are still to far from my new expanded
budget.
> >
> > Is a PT40 too big for camping in state parks in the south east?
Are
> > the generators quite enough for national parks? We are in Atlanta
> and
> > wold like to use the coach for weekend trips within 150 miles of
> > Atlanta to control expenses and get our feet wet. Maybe summer to
> > Yellowstone any thoughts on this would be helpful as well.
> >
> > Thank you all for the help.
> >
> > Burton
> > Wannabe
> > Cumming GA
> >
>

bbwlwb88

01-11-2009, 03:05
Burton, the 1991 40' Bird was the first year in which the factory
installed a significantly quieter generator. It was a major
improvement. As far as the SP36 being the Corvette of Blue Birds, I
believe that title belongs to the PT38 with the 8V92 engine. The SP
36 is a nice coach but having traveled with several in mountains out
west on the way to rallies, I saw three that had overheated on climbs
up mountain passes. My recommendation would be to look for a 1991 or
newer pusher with the 8V92. Having owned 5 Birds since 1983, I have
never had a significant problem finding a campground where lenth was
the main problem. Usually the problem has been finding a campground
where the trees are trimmed to give enough overhead clearance. Most
campgrounds today can handle 40'plus coaches and they keep overhead
clearances adequately trimmed.

Royal Washburn
97WL43'

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "blackmarjohn"
wrote:
>
> Ok I have taken the advice to heart and in the process of opening my
> wallet. Moving from looking at FC projects, to get in and go PT
or SP.
>
> I have heard the sp is the corvette of the Birds but they also
appear
> to be hard to find and expensive in relation to PT40's.
>
> The market appears to have have lots of PT's for sale now any reason
> why?
>
> I assume bigger is better and the 8v92 is preferred over the 6v92?
> The series 60 coaches are still to far from my new expanded budget.
>
> Is a PT40 too big for camping in state parks in the south east? Are
> the generators quite enough for national parks? We are in Atlanta
and
> wold like to use the coach for weekend trips within 150 miles of
> Atlanta to control expenses and get our feet wet. Maybe summer to
> Yellowstone any thoughts on this would be helpful as well.
>
> Thank you all for the help.
>
> Burton
> Wannabe
> Cumming GA
>

fishfarm2003

01-11-2009, 05:30
Burton - After you tour Leroy's coach, you may want to check out the
PT38 currently on the Atlanta Craigslist. I know if I had the money I
would be on the road to see it, but I have property to sell first.

88 WANDERLODGE - 38 ft. 8v92 Detroit - $37500 (Stockbridge)

1988 Wanderlodge Motor Home, 38 ft. 8v92 Detroit Engine, Allison HT740
Transmission, Tires like new. 12.5 Kohler Genset, 3 Roof top AC's.
Satellite tracking receiver, big flat screen TV in front, another flat
screen in bedroom. has only 87,850 miles. A good, clean coach!
770-490-9054.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/rvs/960165664.html

Bob McLaughlin
Homosassa, Fl
Wannabe II

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "blackmarjohn"
wrote:
>
> -Leory
>
> I would very much appreciate the tour and information. I have some
> time after church tomorrow if you have some availability. My cell
> number is 678-267-0203 and email address is bblackmar(@)
> signaturebankga.com
>
> Burton
>

Pete Masterson

01-11-2009, 11:28
I think the "Corvette of Blue Birds" was based on a remark by someone on "the other" Blue Bird list. As I recall, he was talking _only_ about the handling of the 2-axle SP vs. the 3-axle PTs. Obviously, a shorter 'bird with fewer axles will handle with more "sports car" like performance (for a bus). 
Having actually driven a number of sports cars in my earlier days, I don't think it would occur to me to describe any Blue Bird in terms of sports car handling. 'Birds do handle much better than the trucks I drove while I was in the Army, however.
Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale)
El Sobrante CA
"aeonix1@mac.com"
On Jan 11, 2009, at 7:05 AM, bbwlwb88 wrote:

Burton, the 1991 40' Bird was the first year in which the factory 
installed a significantly quieter generator.  It was a major 
improvement.  As far as the SP36 being the Corvette of Blue Birds, I 
believe that title belongs to the PT38 with the 8V92 engine.  The SP 
36 is a nice coach but having traveled with several in mountains out 
west on the way to rallies, I saw three that had overheated on climbs 
up mountain passes.  My recommendation would be to look for a 1991 or 
newer pusher with the 8V92.  Having owned 5 Birds since 1983, I have 
never had a significant problem finding a campground where lenth was 
the main problem.  Usually the problem has been finding a campground 
where the trees are trimmed to give enough overhead clearance.  Most 
campgrounds today can handle 40'plus coaches and they keep overhead 
clearances adequately trimmed. 
Royal Washburn
97WL43'  
--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "blackmarjohn" 
wrote:
Ok I have taken the advice to heart and in the process of opening my
wallet.  Moving from looking at FC projects,  to get in and go PT 
or SP.
I have heard the sp is the corvette of the Birds but they also 
appear
to be hard to find and expensive in relation to PT40's.
The market appears to have have lots of PT's for sale now any reason
why?  
I assume bigger is better and the 8v92 is preferred over the 6v92? 
The series 60 coaches are still to far from my new expanded budget.
Is a PT40 too big for camping in state parks in the south east? Are
the generators quite enough for national parks? We are in Atlanta 
and
wold like to use the coach for weekend trips within 150 miles of
Atlanta to control expenses and get our feet wet.  Maybe summer to
Yellowstone any thoughts on this would be helpful as well. 
Thank you all for the help.
Burton
Wannabe
Cumming GA
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Scott Forman

01-11-2009, 12:05
I don't know about the handling, but I can tell you that speed-wise,
there is not a coach on the road that can keep up with my 8v92 PT38.
I run away from brand new 500hp SOB's.

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> I think the "Corvette of Blue Birds" was based on a remark by
someone
> on "the other" Blue Bird list. As I recall, he was talking _only_
> about the handling of the 2-axle SP vs. the 3-axle PTs. Obviously,
a
> shorter 'bird with fewer axles will handle with more "sports car"
> like performance (for a bus).
>
> Having actually driven a number of sports cars in my earlier days,
I
> don't think it would occur to me to describe any Blue Bird in
terms
> of sports car handling. 'Birds do handle much better than the
trucks
> I drove while I was in the Army, however.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale)
> <http://www.aeonix.biz/BBforsale.html>
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@...
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 7:05 AM, bbwlwb88 wrote:
>
> > Burton, the 1991 40' Bird was the first year in which the factory
> > installed a significantly quieter generator. It was a major
> > improvement. As far as the SP36 being the Corvette of Blue
Birds, I
> > believe that title belongs to the PT38 with the 8V92 engine. The
SP
> > 36 is a nice coach but having traveled with several in mountains
out
> > west on the way to rallies, I saw three that had overheated on
climbs
> > up mountain passes. My recommendation would be to look for a
1991 or
> > newer pusher with the 8V92. Having owned 5 Birds since 1983, I
have
> > never had a significant problem finding a campground where lenth
was
> > the main problem. Usually the problem has been finding a
campground
> > where the trees are trimmed to give enough overhead clearance.
Most
> > campgrounds today can handle 40'plus coaches and they keep
overhead
> > clearances adequately trimmed.
> >
> > Royal Washburn
> > 97WL43'
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "blackmarjohn"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok I have taken the advice to heart and in the process of
opening my
> >> wallet. Moving from looking at FC projects, to get in and go PT
> > or SP.
> >>
> >> I have heard the sp is the corvette of the Birds but they also
> > appear
> >> to be hard to find and expensive in relation to PT40's.
> >>
> >> The market appears to have have lots of PT's for sale now any
reason
> >> why?
> >>
> >> I assume bigger is better and the 8v92 is preferred over the
6v92?
> >> The series 60 coaches are still to far from my new expanded
budget.
> >>
> >> Is a PT40 too big for camping in state parks in the south east?
Are
> >> the generators quite enough for national parks? We are in Atlanta
> > and
> >> wold like to use the coach for weekend trips within 150 miles of
> >> Atlanta to control expenses and get our feet wet. Maybe summer
to
> >> Yellowstone any thoughts on this would be helpful as well.
> >>
> >> Thank you all for the help.
> >>
> >> Burton
> >> Wannabe
> >> Cumming GA
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

timvasqz

01-11-2009, 12:23
Drive a Tesla and its over for you with gasoline engines in a sports
car. cant be described.
GregoryO'Connor 'Smart Guy (for an Excavator)'.
I hate the quilifying sufix
94ptCa


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:

Obviously, a shorter 'bird with fewer axles will handle with
more "sports car" like performance (for a bus).

Having actually driven a number of sports cars in my earlier days,
I
> don't think it would occur to me to describe any Blue Bird in
terms
> of sports car handling. 'Birds do handle much better than the
trucks
> I drove while I was in the Army, however.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale)
> <http://www.aeonix.biz/BBforsale.html>
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@...
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 7:05 AM, bbwlwb88 wrote:
>
> > Burton, the 1991 40' Bird was the first year in which the factory
> > installed a significantly quieter generator. It was a major
> > improvement. As far as the SP36 being the Corvette of Blue
Birds, I
> > believe that title belongs to the PT38 with the 8V92 engine.
The SP
> > 36 is a nice coach but having traveled with several in mountains
out
> > west on the way to rallies, I saw three that had overheated on
climbs
> > up mountain passes. My recommendation would be to look for a
1991 or
> > newer pusher with the 8V92. Having owned 5 Birds since 1983, I
have
> > never had a significant problem finding a campground where lenth
was
> > the main problem. Usually the problem has been finding a
campground
> > where the trees are trimmed to give enough overhead clearance.
Most
> > campgrounds today can handle 40'plus coaches and they keep
overhead
> > clearances adequately trimmed.
> >
> > Royal Washburn
> > 97WL43'
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "blackmarjohn"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok I have taken the advice to heart and in the process of
opening my
> >> wallet. Moving from looking at FC projects, to get in and go
PT
> > or SP.
> >>
> >> I have heard the sp is the corvette of the Birds but they also
> > appear
> >> to be hard to find and expensive in relation to PT40's.
> >>
> >> The market appears to have have lots of PT's for sale now any
reason
> >> why?
> >>
> >> I assume bigger is better and the 8v92 is preferred over the
6v92?
> >> The series 60 coaches are still to far from my new expanded
budget.
> >>
> >> Is a PT40 too big for camping in state parks in the south east?
Are
> >> the generators quite enough for national parks? We are in
Atlanta
> > and
> >> wold like to use the coach for weekend trips within 150 miles of
> >> Atlanta to control expenses and get our feet wet. Maybe summer
to
> >> Yellowstone any thoughts on this would be helpful as well.
> >>
> >> Thank you all for the help.
> >>
> >> Burton
> >> Wannabe
> >> Cumming GA
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Leroy Eckert

01-11-2009, 12:43
No noise for the ears. I guess a cd with a boom box tied to the accelerator would work. It just does not see right. lol
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, timvasqz wrote:
From: timvasqz Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: PT40 vs SP36
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 7:23 PM



Drive a Tesla and its over for you with gasoline engines in a sports

car. cant be described.

GregoryO'Connor 'Smart Guy (for an Excavator)'.

I hate the quilifying sufix

94ptCa



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Pete Masterson

wrote:



Obviously, a shorter 'bird with fewer axles will handle with

more "sports car" like performance (for a bus).



Having actually driven a number of sports cars in my earlier days,

I

> don't think it would occur to me to describe any Blue Bird in

terms

> of sports car handling. 'Birds do handle much better than the

trucks

> I drove while I was in the Army, however.

>

> Pete Masterson

> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale)

> <http://www.aeonix. biz/BBforsale. html>

> El Sobrante CA

> aeonix1@...

>

>

>

>

> On Jan 11, 2009, at 7:05 AM, bbwlwb88 wrote:

>

> > Burton, the 1991 40' Bird was the first year in which the factory

> > installed a significantly quieter generator. It was a major

> > improvement. As far as the SP36 being the Corvette of Blue

Birds, I

> > believe that title belongs to the PT38 with the 8V92 engine.

The SP

> > 36 is a nice coach but having traveled with several in mountains

out

> > west on the way to rallies, I saw three that had overheated on

climbs

> > up mountain passes. My recommendation would be to look for a

1991 or

> > newer pusher with the 8V92. Having owned 5 Birds since 1983, I

have

> > never had a significant problem finding a campground where lenth

was

> > the main problem. Usually the problem has been finding a

campground

> > where the trees are trimmed to give enough overhead clearance.

Most

> > campgrounds today can handle 40'plus coaches and they keep

overhead

> > clearances adequately trimmed.

> >

> > Royal Washburn

> > 97WL43'

> >

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "blackmarjohn"

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Ok I have taken the advice to heart and in the process of

opening my

> >> wallet. Moving from looking at FC projects, to get in and go

PT

> > or SP.

> >>

> >> I have heard the sp is the corvette of the Birds but they also

> > appear

> >> to be hard to find and expensive in relation to PT40's.

> >>

> >> The market appears to have have lots of PT's for sale now any

reason

> >> why?

> >>

> >> I assume bigger is better and the 8v92 is preferred over the

6v92?

> >> The series 60 coaches are still to far from my new expanded

budget.

> >>

> >> Is a PT40 too big for camping in state parks in the south east?

Are

> >> the generators quite enough for national parks? We are in

Atlanta

> > and

> >> wold like to use the coach for weekend trips within 150 miles of

> >> Atlanta to control expenses and get our feet wet. Maybe summer

to

> >> Yellowstone any thoughts on this would be helpful as well.

> >>

> >> Thank you all for the help.

> >>

> >> Burton

> >> Wannabe

> >> Cumming GA

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

>



blackmarjohn

01-11-2009, 12:55
I had a great tour of Leroy's coach. He was great showed me and my
family everything and explained how it all worked.

I am looking at the pt38 on craigslist thank you. I think I will
start a new posting looking for a partner to share the coach her in
Altanta there have got to be some other wannabee's lurking on the
forum.

Burton

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "fishfarm2003"
wrote:
>
> Burton - After you tour Leroy's coach, you may want to check out
the
> PT38 currently on the Atlanta Craigslist. I know if I had the
money I
> would be on the road to see it, but I have property to sell first.
>
> 88 WANDERLODGE - 38 ft. 8v92 Detroit - $37500 (Stockbridge)
>
> 1988 Wanderlodge Motor Home, 38 ft. 8v92 Detroit Engine, Allison
HT740
> Transmission, Tires like new. 12.5 Kohler Genset, 3 Roof top AC's.
> Satellite tracking receiver, big flat screen TV in front, another
flat
> screen in bedroom. has only 87,850 miles. A good, clean coach!
> 770-490-9054.
>
> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/rvs/960165664.html
>
> Bob McLaughlin
> Homosassa, Fl
> Wannabe II
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "blackmarjohn"
> wrote:
> >
> > -Leory
> >
> > I would very much appreciate the tour and information. I have
some
> > time after church tomorrow if you have some availability. My
cell
> > number is 678-267-0203 and email address is bblackmar(@)
> > signaturebankga.com
> >
> > Burton
> >
>

Henry Jay Hannigan

01-11-2009, 17:39
Royal: You are right about the SP needing more power in the
mountains.....BUT I never had any trouble getting over them BUT all
the PT's passed me..........I love my 90SP36........41,000 mile
cherry! Probably sell it IF I lose many more POKER tourneys..
AUSSIE MILLIONS is on right now.........I just need some luck!!
Regards,
Hank Hannigan In Melbourne,AUS
90SP36 Stored in VEGAS










--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bbwlwb88"
wrote:
>
> Burton, the 1991 40' Bird was the first year in which the factory
> installed a significantly quieter generator. It was a major
> improvement. As far as the SP36 being the Corvette of Blue Birds,
I
> believe that title belongs to the PT38 with the 8V92 engine. The
SP
> 36 is a nice coach but having traveled with several in mountains
out
> west on the way to rallies, I saw three that had overheated on
climbs
> up mountain passes. My recommendation would be to look for a 1991
or
> newer pusher with the 8V92. Having owned 5 Birds since 1983, I
have
> never had a significant problem finding a campground where lenth
was
> the main problem. Usually the problem has been finding a
campground
> where the trees are trimmed to give enough overhead clearance.
Most
> campgrounds today can handle 40'plus coaches and they keep overhead
> clearances adequately trimmed.
>
> Royal Washburn
> 97WL43'
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "blackmarjohn"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok I have taken the advice to heart and in the process of opening
my
> > wallet. Moving from looking at FC projects, to get in and go PT
> or SP.
> >
> > I have heard the sp is the corvette of the Birds but they also
> appear
> > to be hard to find and expensive in relation to PT40's.
> >
> > The market appears to have have lots of PT's for sale now any
reason
> > why?
> >
> > I assume bigger is better and the 8v92 is preferred over the
6v92?
> > The series 60 coaches are still to far from my new expanded
budget.
> >
> > Is a PT40 too big for camping in state parks in the south east?
Are
> > the generators quite enough for national parks? We are in Atlanta
> and
> > wold like to use the coach for weekend trips within 150 miles of
> > Atlanta to control expenses and get our feet wet. Maybe summer to
> > Yellowstone any thoughts on this would be helpful as well.
> >
> > Thank you all for the help.
> >
> > Burton
> > Wannabe
> > Cumming GA
> >
>

Steve Pfiffner

01-12-2009, 06:05
When I see one that cheap and mileage that low I always worry it was only used occasionally and it was to go to the beach!
Steve
Wannabee

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM, fishfarm2003 <"fishfarm@lycos.com"> wrote:

Burton - After you tour Leroy's coach, you may want to check out the
PT38 currently on the Atlanta Craigslist. I know if I had the money I

would be on the road to see it, but I have property to sell first.

88 WANDERLODGE - 38 ft. 8v92 Detroit - $37500 (Stockbridge)

1988 Wanderlodge Motor Home, 38 ft. 8v92 Detroit Engine, Allison HT740
Transmission, Tires like new. 12.5 Kohler Genset, 3 Roof top AC's.

Satellite tracking receiver, big flat screen TV in front, another flat
screen in bedroom. has only 87,850 miles. A good, clean coach!
770-490-9054.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/rvs/960165664.html


Bob McLaughlin
Homosassa, Fl
Wannabe II
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