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Benjamin Edge

06-26-2007, 06:25
Hi,

How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your
Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA),
Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?

Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for
compression-release engine brakes. Its initial development was started in 1931
by Clessie Cummins (the founder of Cummins Engine Co.), and handed down to his
nephew Don Cummins, son of Clessie's brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was
looking for a way to bring his heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without
excessive engine wear. 30 years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release
engine brake entered production.

Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT) as you
apply them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type and how well it is
maintained. It was this aspect that caused many cities to ban the use of Jake
Brakes in certain parts of the town. But not all Jake Brakes sound like this,
though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT sound would refer to the compression-release
Jakes, not the exhaust ones.

~Ben

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Leroy Eckert

06-26-2007, 07:26
I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
8v92TAC
Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Edge
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?


Hi,

How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your Detroit
Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA), Silver 475
(1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?

Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for compression-release
engine brakes. Its initial development was started in 1931 by Clessie Cummins
(the founder of Cummins Engine Co.), and handed down to his nephew Don Cummins,
son of Clessie's brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to
bring his heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake entered
production.

Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT) as you apply
them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type and how well it is
maintained. It was this aspect that caused many cities to ban the use of Jake
Brakes in certain parts of the town. But not all Jake Brakes sound like this,
though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT sound would refer to the compression-release
Jakes, not the exhaust ones.

~Ben

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Leroy Eckert

06-26-2007, 07:26
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Edge
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?


Hi,

How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your Detroit
Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA), Silver 475
(1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?

Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for compression-release
engine brakes. Its initial development was started in 1931 by Clessie Cummins
(the founder of Cummins Engine Co.), and handed down to his nephew Don Cummins,
son of Clessie's brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to
bring his heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake entered
production.

Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT) as you apply
them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type and how well it is
maintained. It was this aspect that caused many cities to ban the use of Jake
Brakes in certain parts of the town. But not all Jake Brakes sound like this,
though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT sound would refer to the compression-release
Jakes, not the exhaust ones.

~Ben

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bloomas

06-26-2007, 07:42
----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
The anser to your question is yes.One can be installed it wont be cheap.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36


I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
8v92TAC
Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Edge
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?

Hi,

How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your Detroit
Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA), Silver 475
(1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?

Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for compression-release
engine brakes. Its initial development was started in 1931 by Clessie Cummins
(the founder of Cummins Engine Co.), and handed down to his nephew Don Cummins,
son of Clessie's brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to
bring his heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake entered
production.

Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT) as you apply
them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type and how well it is
maintained. It was this aspect that caused many cities to ban the use of Jake
Brakes in certain parts of the town. But not all Jake Brakes sound like this,
though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT sound would refer to the compression-release
Jakes, not the exhaust ones.

~Ben

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Leroy Eckert

06-26-2007, 07:45
Bob, do you know a site I can go to to get info and approx cost? Thanks,
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: bloomas
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?



----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
The anser to your question is yes.One can be installed it wont be cheap.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
8v92TAC
Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Edge
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?

Hi,

How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your Detroit
Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA), Silver 475
(1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?

Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for compression-release
engine brakes. Its initial development was started in 1931 by Clessie Cummins
(the founder of Cummins Engine Co.), and handed down to his nephew Don Cummins,
son of Clessie's brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to
bring his heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake entered
production.

Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT) as you apply
them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type and how well it is
maintained. It was this aspect that caused many cities to ban the use of Jake
Brakes in certain parts of the town. But not all Jake Brakes sound like this,
though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT sound would refer to the compression-release
Jakes, not the exhaust ones.

~Ben

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Don Bradner

06-26-2007, 07:54
Opinions vary, but one (non BB) 8V92 w/Jake owner I know (he reads here but
doesn't post) says he could get about the same amount of slowdown by putting his
hand out of the window into the breeze.

Compression brakes on a 4 stroke like the Series 60 make a huge difference, but
on an 8V92 every stroke is already a compression stroke, so all you can do is
increase the time under compression.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

On 6/26/2007 at 2:26 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
>8v92TAC
>Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
>Leroy Eckert
>1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Benjamin Edge
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your
>Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA),
>Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?

Stephen Birtles

06-26-2007, 07:55
hey leroy start drooling

Here is the application data for Detroit Series 71 or 92 engines
(Model #8V-92 DDEC, Control Type DDEC II):

Engine Manufacturer: Detroit
Engine Series: Series 71 or 92
Engine Model: 8V-92 DDEC
Control Type: DDEC II
Brake Model: 71/92A
12V Base Kit: 14526
24V Base Kit: 14919
Engine Control: 16789
Cab Control: 17363
Clutch Switch: 12261
Slave Piston Lash Setting: 1.50 mm (.059 in)
Lash Setting Tool: 7958
Tune Up Kit: 17057

Stephen 77fc35




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
> 8v92TAC
> Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Benjamin Edge
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on
your Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89
6V-92TA), Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?
>
> Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for
compression-release engine brakes. Its initial development was started
in 1931 by Clessie Cummins (the founder of Cummins Engine Co.), and
handed down to his nephew Don Cummins, son of Clessie's brother
Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to bring his
heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake
entered production.
>
> Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT)
as you apply them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type and
how well it is maintained. It was this aspect that caused many cities
to ban the use of Jake Brakes in certain parts of the town. But not
all Jake Brakes sound like this, though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT sound
would refer to the compression-release Jakes, not the exhaust ones.
>
> ~Ben
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

snowbirdtogo

06-26-2007, 09:31
Ben,
I have a Jacob's engine brake (two stage) on my 6V92. Last summer
drove over Eisenhower pass but had no trepidation with the 15 mile 6-
7% grade going down west side. On my coach it is barely audible.

Roy Anderson
1986 PT-40
Springfield VA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Benjamin Edge"
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes
on your Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-
89 6V-92TA), Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-
92TA)?
>
> Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for
compression-release engine brakes. Its initial development was
started in 1931 by Clessie Cummins (the founder of Cummins Engine
Co.), and handed down to his nephew Don Cummins, son of Clessie's
brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to bring his
heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake
entered production.
>
> Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-
TAT) as you apply them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system
type and how well it is maintained. It was this aspect that caused
many cities to ban the use of Jake Brakes in certain parts of the
town. But not all Jake Brakes sound like this, though. The RAT-A-TAT-
TAT-TAT sound would refer to the compression-release Jakes, not the
exhaust ones.
>
> ~Ben
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

bloomas

06-26-2007, 09:50
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
Don You are right opinions very.I would not be with out mine.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36



Opinions vary, but one (non BB) 8V92 w/Jake owner I know (he reads here but
doesn't post) says he could get about the same amount of slowdown by putting his
hand out of the window into the breeze.

Compression brakes on a 4 stroke like the Series 60 make a huge difference,
but on an 8V92 every stroke is already a compression stroke, so all you can do
is increase the time under compression.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

On 6/26/2007 at 2:26 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
>8v92TAC
>Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
>Leroy Eckert
>1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Benjamin Edge
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your
>Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA),
>Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?





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bloomas

06-26-2007, 10:17
----- Original Message -----
From: "robertnloomas"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:

Leroy I think this is the site you are looking for.
http://www.jakebrake.com/products/applic...ufact\
urer=Detroit

Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

Bob, do you know a site I can go to to get info and approx cost?
Thanks,
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: bloomas
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?



----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
The anser to your question is yes.One can be installed it wont be
cheap.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
8v92TAC
Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Edge
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?

Hi,

How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on
your Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-
89 6V-92TA), Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-
92TA)?

Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for
compression-release engine brakes. Its initial development was
started in 1931 by Clessie Cummins (the founder of Cummins Engine
Co.), and handed down to his nephew Don Cummins, son of Clessie's
brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to bring his
heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake
entered production.

Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT)
as you apply them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type
and how well it is maintained. It was this aspect that caused many
cities to ban the use of Jake Brakes in certain parts of the town.
But not all Jake Brakes sound like this, though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-
TAT sound would refer to the compression-release Jakes, not the
exhaust ones.

~Ben

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