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Hi all:
In an earlier post, Ernie had mentioned his problems with his electrical system.
To us who read both forums, Wanderlodge and Wanderlodgeforum, have had a good
discussion regarding surge protection etc.
I had posted that I do not believe in Ernies case it was a surge, but
incorrectly wired, or poorly wired receptacle or plug.
Research by a number of forum members was conducted and was determined that a
device from Progressive Industries called the EMS HW50C would be the correct
thing to purchase.
This device is not just a Surge Protector, but an electrical management system.
It checks voltage, frequency and L-N, L-L, L-G etc, giving one a lot more
protection.
Below you will find a link to Tweetys who will give the best price on this unit
at $270.00
http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?PageAct...rodID=6768

This special deal to Wanderlodge owners is only open till Friday 23rd of
February.

If you want to read the post join Wanderlodge forum and search under messages
Surge protector


Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada




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I agree Bill. Ernie's problem was most likely plug related. I have for years,
first on boats and now on the coach, check the plug yearly. Completely
dissemble the plug and check for damage ,i.e. over heating evidence, and tighten
the screws. I have noticed even without over heating damage the screws will
loosen over time. I believe it is called "cold flow". The copper wires
actually move a little due to the pressure of the screw clamp. I've also
noticed this in the main breaker panel, though not as dramatic as the plug.
Probably due to the stranded conductors as opposed to the solid conductors in
the main panel.

If your plug is warm, or even hot, to the touch it is time to check it out.
Especially these 30 amp cords that have a 50 amp plug at the coach. The park
connection should protect with a 30 amp breaker but I have noticed that you
can't depend on that for what ever reason. I once witnessed a power pedestal on
fire across from my boat. It had just caught fire. The reason was, you guessed
it, the boathouse's plug was defective - very loose screws.

FWIW

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: wanderlodgeforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C


Hi all:
In an earlier post, Ernie had mentioned his problems with his electrical
system.
To us who read both forums, Wanderlodge and Wanderlodgeforum, have had a good
discussion regarding surge protection etc.
I had posted that I do not believe in Ernies case it was a surge, but
incorrectly wired, or poorly wired receptacle or plug.
Research by a number of forum members was conducted and was determined that a
device from Progressive Industries called the EMS HW50C would be the correct
thing to purchase.
This device is not just a Surge Protector, but an electrical management
system.
It checks voltage, frequency and L-N, L-L, L-G etc, giving one a lot more
protection.
Below you will find a link to Tweetys who will give the best price on this
unit at $270.00

http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?PageAct...rodID=6768<http://www.twee\
tys.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6768>

This special deal to Wanderlodge owners is only open till Friday 23rd of
February.

If you want to read the post join Wanderlodge forum and search under messages
Surge protector

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

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FWIW, For some time , I have been using an earlier model EMS PT-50B, portable, I
think that is the model, and have had very good success with it. It has located
pedestal problems on a couple of occasions. BTW, the potental and real benefits
are fabulous at any price, especially $270.00. I would not plug in without it.
One problem without it is to late.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL






----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: wanderlodgeforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C


Hi all:
In an earlier post, Ernie had mentioned his problems with his electrical
system.
To us who read both forums, Wanderlodge and Wanderlodgeforum, have had a good
discussion regarding surge protection etc.
I had posted that I do not believe in Ernies case it was a surge, but
incorrectly wired, or poorly wired receptacle or plug.
Research by a number of forum members was conducted and was determined that a
device from Progressive Industries called the EMS HW50C would be the correct
thing to purchase.
This device is not just a Surge Protector, but an electrical management
system.
It checks voltage, frequency and L-N, L-L, L-G etc, giving one a lot more
protection.
Below you will find a link to Tweetys who will give the best price on this
unit at $270.00
http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?PageAct...rodID=6768

This special deal to Wanderlodge owners is only open till Friday 23rd of
February.

If you want to read the post join Wanderlodge forum and search under messages
Surge protector

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

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My plug was the original molded plug from the factory. Couldn't take it apart-
doesn't matter, now- going to get new stuff soon.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston,Montana
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C


I agree Bill. Ernie's problem was most likely plug related. I have for years,
first on boats and now on the coach, check the plug yearly. Completely dissemble
the plug and check for damage ,i.e. over heating evidence, and tighten the
screws. I have noticed even without over heating damage the screws will loosen
over time. I believe it is called "cold flow". The copper wires actually move a
little due to the pressure of the screw clamp. I've also noticed this in the
main breaker panel, though not as dramatic as the plug. Probably due to the
stranded conductors as opposed to the solid conductors in the main panel.

If your plug is warm, or even hot, to the touch it is time to check it out.
Especially these 30 amp cords that have a 50 amp plug at the coach. The park
connection should protect with a 30 amp breaker but I have noticed that you
can't depend on that for what ever reason. I once witnessed a power pedestal on
fire across from my boat. It had just caught fire. The reason was, you guessed
it, the boathouse's plug was defective - very loose screws.

FWIW

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: wanderlodgeforum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C

Hi all:
In an earlier post, Ernie had mentioned his problems with his electrical
system.
To us who read both forums, Wanderlodge and Wanderlodgeforum, have had a good
discussion regarding surge protection etc.
I had posted that I do not believe in Ernies case it was a surge, but
incorrectly wired, or poorly wired receptacle or plug.
Research by a number of forum members was conducted and was determined that a
device from Progressive Industries called the EMS HW50C would be the correct
thing to purchase.
This device is not just a Surge Protector, but an electrical management
system.
It checks voltage, frequency and L-N, L-L, L-G etc, giving one a lot more
protection.
Below you will find a link to Tweetys who will give the best price on this
unit at $270.00

http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?PageAct...rodID=6768<http://www.twee\
tys.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6768>

This special deal to Wanderlodge owners is only open till Friday 23rd of
February.

If you want to read the post join Wanderlodge forum and search under messages
Surge protector

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

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Dick,
You are correct about cold flow. I used to work with three phase
mainframe water cooled computers, and whenever the electricians
wired up an new plug, they would wait 15 or 20 minutes and go back
and tighten it again. One year there was water running into the
computer room under the raised floor. We went around and lifted the
connectors up and put them on wood blocks. I grabbed the cable from
one of the machines and all 4 wires pulled right out of the
connector. (208 three phase power). Lucky I was at the machine end.

So now once a year, or if I am doing anything electrical in my
house, I tighten the ground and hot connections on my breaker panel.
I just run down where the common and ground wires are connected then
do each breaker connection. They always tighten just a little. (I
don't use excessive force, just s firm twist).I had an electrician
do the mains comming in cause you can't shut them off and I don't
have the proper tools or rubber gloves.

Gardner
78FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
wrote:
>
> I agree Bill. Ernie's problem was most likely plug related. I
have for years, first on boats and now on the coach, check the plug
yearly. Completely dissemble the plug and check for damage ,i.e.
over heating evidence, and tighten the screws. I have noticed even
without over heating damage the screws will loosen over time. I
believe it is called "cold flow". The copper wires actually move a
little due to the pressure of the screw clamp. I've also noticed
this in the main breaker panel, though not as dramatic as the plug.
Probably due to the stranded conductors as opposed to the solid
conductors in the main panel.
>
> If your plug is warm, or even hot, to the touch it is time to
check it out. Especially these 30 amp cords that have a 50 amp plug
at the coach. The park connection should protect with a 30 amp
breaker but I have noticed that you can't depend on that for what
ever reason. I once witnessed a power pedestal on fire across from
my boat. It had just caught fire. The reason was, you guessed it,
the boathouse's plug was defective - very loose screws.
>
> FWIW
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
> To:
wanderlodgeforum@yahoogroups.com com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:43 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C
>
>
> Hi all:
> In an earlier post, Ernie had mentioned his problems with his
electrical system.
> To us who read both forums, Wanderlodge and Wanderlodgeforum,
have had a good discussion regarding surge protection etc.
> I had posted that I do not believe in Ernies case it was a
surge, but incorrectly wired, or poorly wired receptacle or plug.
> Research by a number of forum members was conducted and was
determined that a device from Progressive Industries called the EMS
HW50C would be the correct thing to purchase.
> This device is not just a Surge Protector, but an electrical
management system.
> It checks voltage, frequency and L-N, L-L, L-G etc, giving one a
lot more protection.
> Below you will find a link to Tweetys who will give the best
price on this unit at $270.00
> http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?
PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6768<http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?
PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6768>
>
> This special deal to Wanderlodge owners is only open till Friday
23rd of February.
>
> If you want to read the post join Wanderlodge forum and search
under messages Surge protector
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
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>

Right Ernie. I was probably thinking of the boat male end. It would not be
possible to check the molded male end as I described. However, I believe that
it is crimped on not screwed inside.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: ernieekberg@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C


My plug was the original molded plug from the factory. Couldn't take it apart-
doesn't matter, now- going to get new stuff soon.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston,Montana
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C

I agree Bill. Ernie's problem was most likely plug related. I have for years,
first on boats and now on the coach, check the plug yearly. Completely dissemble
the plug and check for damage ,i.e. over heating evidence, and tighten the
screws. I have noticed even without over heating damage the screws will loosen
over time. I believe it is called "cold flow". The copper wires actually move a
little due to the pressure of the screw clamp. I've also noticed this in the
main breaker panel, though not as dramatic as the plug. Probably due to the
stranded conductors as opposed to the solid conductors in the main panel.

If your plug is warm, or even hot, to the touch it is time to check it out.
Especially these 30 amp cords that have a 50 amp plug at the coach. The park
connection should protect with a 30 amp breaker but I have noticed that you
can't depend on that for what ever reason. I once witnessed a power pedestal on
fire across from my boat. It had just caught fire. The reason was, you guessed
it, the boathouse's plug was defective - very loose screws.

FWIW

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus
Schreurs>
To:
wanderlodgeforum@yahoogroups.com to:wanderlodgeforum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Progressive Industries EMS HW50C

Hi all:
In an earlier post, Ernie had mentioned his problems with his electrical
system.
To us who read both forums, Wanderlodge and Wanderlodgeforum, have had a good
discussion regarding surge protection etc.
I had posted that I do not believe in Ernies case it was a surge, but
incorrectly wired, or poorly wired receptacle or plug.
Research by a number of forum members was conducted and was determined that a
device from Progressive Industries called the EMS HW50C would be the correct
thing to purchase.
This device is not just a Surge Protector, but an electrical management
system.
It checks voltage, frequency and L-N, L-L, L-G etc, giving one a lot more
protection.
Below you will find a link to Tweetys who will give the best price on this
unit at $270.00

http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?PageAct...rodID=6768<http://www.twee\
tys.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6768><http://www.tweetys.com/index.\
asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6768<http://www.tweetys.com/index.asp?PageAction=\
VIEWPROD&ProdID=6768>>

This special deal to Wanderlodge owners is only open till Friday 23rd of
February.

If you want to read the post join Wanderlodge forum and search under messages
Surge protector

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

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