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In a message dated 12/25/2006 9:38:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mbulriss@... writes:

In the meantime, we appreciate real signatures and locations on our
posts rather than anonymous pseudonyms. And please re-read the forum
front page rules on post contents.
This response is directed to the 1% of our members that don't "GET IT"




Mike, I'll second that statement. MANY times we have asked posters to do
exactly that. From now on, if a person cannot comply with the guidelines that we
have set forth, their message will be rejected and a note from the moderators
with a reason why. If upon subsequent reposts, and they still don't "get it"
--- off to some other forum. Actually us moderators have other things to do.
Ernie Ekberg-83PT40 in Texas- recovering from the crud- no SPI this year


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK, I'll jump in...
I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale marketplace as far
as I'm concerned. I have sold everything from old service station signage to
Porsches, a 1988 BMW M5, motorcycles of a variety of flavors and the list could
go on. I purchased my 1978 GMC Palm Beach off of Ebay and originally found Pokey
there (by the way, the opening bid on Pokey was 20K, no one ever made an opening
bid, it didn't sell through Ebay). I like and dislike Ebay, but I have NEVER had
an Ebay sale bring top of the market, and I've sold some nice stuff. I haven't
monitored EVERY sale...but it has not been my experience that Ebay is the place
to get the most out of a sale. Are there often schill bidders, yes. Do auctions
often end early with a buyer who originally found the item on Ebay and then
works out a purchase outside of the auction, yes. Is this OK, yes. Do winning
bidders often fail to complete a purchase, you bet! My point is, Ebay is a great
selling tool, but unlike any
other I have dealt with, I take everything on there, vehicle descriptions (and
I agree that this Bird is far nicer than most, at least from the picures) and
selling prices with a grain of salt.
One point that has not been touched on is that to sell a vehicle for another
person really requires a dealers license. It does in Colorado and I am nearly
positive that it does in Texas as well. I bought a car on Ebay that was being
sold by one person and actually owned by another, it was a mess. Not that this
situation will be, but who are you actually buying the car from? Ebay does not
regulate if sellers have dealers licenses, it's not their job, but selling a car
for another person without a license is against the law in most states, it is
that way to protect the buyer, it's why I have to carry a bond. Just a word to
the wise...
Is the Rig nice? Sure looks like it! Was it misrepresented, not that I know
of. Was the activity on this forum part of an orchestrated marketing plan,
maybe, but while this is not the place for that, I don't blame them for trying.
Is that rig worth 30K more than Pokey...not in my book. In reality, items for
sale are only worth, in real dollars, what someone else is willing to pay, so if
the sale goes through, the rig was worth the 50K+...to someone.
It will be interesting to see if it resurfaces for sale someplace else for
sale, seems to be alot of eyes watching.
Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO, 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"


wrote:
>
> We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any way.....

Hmmmmmm, I re-read my comments and I see nothing that implies that you
mis-represented anything. Anything you are reading into it is of your
own making.

I repeat: $50K is top of the market for what appears to be an original
83 FC (actually beyond top of the market IMO). More power to you -
sincerely. Since it was an eBay auction, where many 'sales' never
actually materialize, I do hope the money arrives. My real hope would
be that it might actually signal a turn around for the entire Bird
market, but I don't really believe that.

As regards hype, you and thee owner both joined the forum about a week
ago and immediately begin posting about the eBay sale listing. To me,
that is hype. Hype can be good or bad, but it's still hype and
working the market. It appears to have worked for you guys.

Since you and the owner both seem to have significant BB experience, I
do sincerely hope you will both stick around and contribute to the
discussion of Bird maintenance, now that the sale is over.

In the meantime, we appreciate real signatures and locations on our
posts rather than anonymous pseudonyms. And please re-read the forum
front page rules on post contents.

Merry Christmas to all.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX (current location - South Padre Island)

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "GRSmith, 111"
wrote:
>
> We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any way.....
trust me..... It's an incredible coach...... believe it or not.......
and I have a 1988 .... that is almost as clean as this one with only
114K miles..... super service & maintenance all it's life.... garage
kept for 13 years....... PT 40 ..... awesome.... trying to
decide...... getting in to the charter coach business..... LORD
WILLING.... pray for me...... YOu guys are great.... Crusademan
>
> mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote: What a incredible Christmas
present for that seller. That certainly
> is top of the market. Hope the money shows up.
>
> At that price it sure makes my prior 83PT40 (Stagecoach) seem
> incredibly cheap at the current owner's asking price of $43,000.
> hmmmmm...... hype pays off, I guess.
>
> Since they just joined the forum last week to promote the sale, now we
> get to see if the seller 'Ole Tom' and the marketer 'Crusademan' stick
> around to participate on the forum, or unsubscribe now that the sale
> is done.......... Hopefully, they will stick around and share some of
> Ole Tom's repair and upkeep tips.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX (currently on South Padre Island)
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dthollis1961"
> wrote:
> >
> > Merry Christmas!!!
> >
> > David Hollis 84 FC35 Springfield,IL
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
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As someone who is in the market (although only for a PT40), I've watched the
sale and the discussion here with interest.

My initial thoughts were that the seller was getting a lot of undeserved
bashing. I'm a merchant, and I recognize the value of good marketing when I see
it. As it went along, however, nothing was ever done by the seller or his
representative to deal with the substantive questions, and that, at least on the
surface, makes the skepticism appear reasonable.

Specific things not addressed include the many questions about running gear and
operational equipment. They also include the very clear question as to why the
auction ended early and suddenly.

Finally, a note to Crusademan: The cutesy .......... writing style was
aggravating at first, and extremely annoying by the end. I don't know about
anybody else, but when people make me have to learn a different way to read
English just to tell what they are saying it is a real turnoff. It is also
worthwhile to only sparingly use the shouted capitalization of words for
emphasis so that they have REAL impact when they are used.

On 12/26/2006 at 8:36 AM Doug Engel wrote:

>OK, I'll jump in...
> I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale marketplace
>as far as I'm concerned.

Don Bradner
http://www.arcatapet.net

As a person now actively looking for a BB to purchase (finally) I sent
several emails asking specific questions and never got a reply. I think
that closing the auction when there is only a $100.00 difference between
the top two bidders, and days yet to go speaks volumes.

Wil Tifft
NE Pennsylvania

Wilton S. Tifft
http://www.tifft.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Bradner"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] eBay83 FC for 50k


> As someone who is in the market (although only for a PT40), I've
watched the sale and the discussion here with interest.
>
> My initial thoughts were that the seller was getting a lot of
undeserved bashing. I'm a merchant, and I recognize the value of good
marketing when I see it. As it went along, however, nothing was ever
done by the seller or his representative to deal with the substantive
questions, and that, at least on the surface, makes the skepticism
appear reasonable.
>
> Specific things not addressed include the many questions about running
gear and operational equipment. They also include the very clear
question as to why the auction ended early and suddenly.
>
> Finally, a note to Crusademan: The cutesy .......... writing style was
aggravating at first, and extremely annoying by the end. I don't know
about anybody else, but when people make me have to learn a different
way to read English just to tell what they are saying it is a real
turnoff. It is also worthwhile to only sparingly use the shouted
capitalization of words for emphasis so that they have REAL impact when
they are used.
>
> On 12/26/2006 at 8:36 AM Doug Engel wrote:
>
> >OK, I'll jump in...
> > I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale
marketplace
> >as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Don Bradner
> http://www.arcatapet.net

Doug said, "Was the activity on this forum part
of an orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but
while this is not the place for that, I don't blame
them for trying"
----------------------------------------------
I was the person who initially brought this coach
to the attention of the forum simply because of
how nice it appeared to me and wanted to share.

I have no past or present connection with the
sellers with the exception I privately asked what
kind of camera was used to take the pictures.

While the price was hoovering at the 30K mark, I
guessed that it would bring 40K, about 5k more than
what I would value the coach just because marketing
on Ebay had extremely good pictures,and, a good
write-up as well.

Contrary to photos of this coach, I have seen
pictues on Ebay that were too dark and a person
had to guess what was there. What kind of marketing
is that for crying out loud?

To me, the pictures of this coach may look better
than the coach shows standing looking at it in person.
That would be a let-down, wouldn't it?

The seller agreed to one person's question as to
whether or not the seller would accept an pre-
purchase inspection of the high bidder, the seller
did not oppose this.

The bid surprised me bringing more than I paid for an
'87 in decent condition, however, life is full of
surprises, isn't it?

A lesson in marketing?, perhaps?

bobjanes, '87FC35, greenville, sc
















--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
wrote:
>
> OK, I'll jump in...
> I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale
marketplace as far as I'm concerned. I have sold everything from old
service station signage to Porsches, a 1988 BMW M5, motorcycles of a
variety of flavors and the list could go on. I purchased my 1978 GMC
Palm Beach off of Ebay and originally found Pokey there (by the way,
the opening bid on Pokey was 20K, no one ever made an opening bid, it
didn't sell through Ebay). I like and dislike Ebay, but I have NEVER
had an Ebay sale bring top of the market, and I've sold some nice
stuff. I haven't monitored EVERY sale...but it has not been my
experience that Ebay is the place to get the most out of a sale. Are
there often schill bidders, yes. Do auctions often end early with a
buyer who originally found the item on Ebay and then works out a
purchase outside of the auction, yes. Is this OK, yes. Do winning
bidders often fail to complete a purchase, you bet! My point is, Ebay
is a great selling tool, but unlike any
> other I have dealt with, I take everything on there, vehicle
descriptions (and I agree that this Bird is far nicer than most, at
least from the picures) and selling prices with a grain of salt.
> One point that has not been touched on is that to sell a
vehicle for another person really requires a dealers license. It does
in Colorado and I am nearly positive that it does in Texas as well. I
bought a car on Ebay that was being sold by one person and actually
owned by another, it was a mess. Not that this situation will be, but
who are you actually buying the car from? Ebay does not regulate if
sellers have dealers licenses, it's not their job, but selling a car
for another person without a license is against the law in most
states, it is that way to protect the buyer, it's why I have to carry
a bond. Just a word to the wise...
> Is the Rig nice? Sure looks like it! Was it misrepresented, not
that I know of. Was the activity on this forum part of an
orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but while this is not the place
for that, I don't blame them for trying. Is that rig worth 30K more
than Pokey...not in my book. In reality, items for sale are only
worth, in real dollars, what someone else is willing to pay, so if
the sale goes through, the rig was worth the 50K+...to someone.
> It will be interesting to see if it resurfaces for sale
someplace else for sale, seems to be alot of eyes watching.
> Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO, 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
>
>
> wrote:
> >
> > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any way.....
>
> Hmmmmmm, I re-read my comments and I see nothing that implies that
you
> mis-represented anything. Anything you are reading into it is of
your
> own making.
>
> I repeat: $50K is top of the market for what appears to be an
original
> 83 FC (actually beyond top of the market IMO). More power to you -
> sincerely. Since it was an eBay auction, where many 'sales' never
> actually materialize, I do hope the money arrives. My real hope
would
> be that it might actually signal a turn around for the entire Bird
> market, but I don't really believe that.
>
> As regards hype, you and thee owner both joined the forum about a
week
> ago and immediately begin posting about the eBay sale listing. To
me,
> that is hype. Hype can be good or bad, but it's still hype and
> working the market. It appears to have worked for you guys.
>
> Since you and the owner both seem to have significant BB
experience, I
> do sincerely hope you will both stick around and contribute to the
> discussion of Bird maintenance, now that the sale is over.
>
> In the meantime, we appreciate real signatures and locations on our
> posts rather than anonymous pseudonyms. And please re-read the forum
> front page rules on post contents.
>
> Merry Christmas to all.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX (current location - South Padre Island)
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "GRSmith, 111"
> wrote:
> >
> > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any way.....
> trust me..... It's an incredible coach...... believe it or
not.......
> and I have a 1988 .... that is almost as clean as this one with only
> 114K miles..... super service & maintenance all it's life.... garage
> kept for 13 years....... PT 40 ..... awesome.... trying to
> decide...... getting in to the charter coach business..... LORD
> WILLING.... pray for me...... YOu guys are great.... Crusademan
> >
> > mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote: What a incredible Christmas
> present for that seller. That certainly
> > is top of the market. Hope the money shows up.
> >
> > At that price it sure makes my prior 83PT40 (Stagecoach) seem
> > incredibly cheap at the current owner's asking price of $43,000.
> > hmmmmm...... hype pays off, I guess.
> >
> > Since they just joined the forum last week to promote the sale,
now we
> > get to see if the seller 'Ole Tom' and the marketer 'Crusademan'
stick
> > around to participate on the forum, or unsubscribe now that the
sale
> > is done.......... Hopefully, they will stick around and share
some of
> > Ole Tom's repair and upkeep tips.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX (currently on South Padre Island)
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dthollis1961"

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas!!!
> > >
> > > David Hollis 84 FC35 Springfield,IL
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> __________________________________________________
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>

To Bob and all,
I always appreciate a heads up on things that I am interested in that are
for sale, or just available for viewing. It's a good way to stay up with market
values and I am always looking for my next "favorite" thing (much to the dismay
of my wife). No finger pointing intended by my post, just some random thoughts.
Best Wishes to all, Doug n' Pokey


one_dusty_hoot wrote:
Doug said, "Was the activity on this forum part
of an orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but
while this is not the place for that, I don't blame
them for trying"
----------------------------------------------
I was the person who initially brought this coach
to the attention of the forum simply because of
how nice it appeared to me and wanted to share.

I have no past or present connection with the
sellers with the exception I privately asked what
kind of camera was used to take the pictures.

While the price was hoovering at the 30K mark, I
guessed that it would bring 40K, about 5k more than
what I would value the coach just because marketing
on Ebay had extremely good pictures,and, a good
write-up as well.

Contrary to photos of this coach, I have seen
pictues on Ebay that were too dark and a person
had to guess what was there. What kind of marketing
is that for crying out loud?

To me, the pictures of this coach may look better
than the coach shows standing looking at it in person.
That would be a let-down, wouldn't it?

The seller agreed to one person's question as to
whether or not the seller would accept an pre-
purchase inspection of the high bidder, the seller
did not oppose this.

The bid surprised me bringing more than I paid for an
'87 in decent condition, however, life is full of
surprises, isn't it?

A lesson in marketing?, perhaps?

bobjanes, '87FC35, greenville, sc

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
wrote:
>
> OK, I'll jump in...
> I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale
marketplace as far as I'm concerned. I have sold everything from old
service station signage to Porsches, a 1988 BMW M5, motorcycles of a
variety of flavors and the list could go on. I purchased my 1978 GMC
Palm Beach off of Ebay and originally found Pokey there (by the way,
the opening bid on Pokey was 20K, no one ever made an opening bid, it
didn't sell through Ebay). I like and dislike Ebay, but I have NEVER
had an Ebay sale bring top of the market, and I've sold some nice
stuff. I haven't monitored EVERY sale...but it has not been my
experience that Ebay is the place to get the most out of a sale. Are
there often schill bidders, yes. Do auctions often end early with a
buyer who originally found the item on Ebay and then works out a
purchase outside of the auction, yes. Is this OK, yes. Do winning
bidders often fail to complete a purchase, you bet! My point is, Ebay
is a great selling tool, but unlike any
> other I have dealt with, I take everything on there, vehicle
descriptions (and I agree that this Bird is far nicer than most, at
least from the picures) and selling prices with a grain of salt.
> One point that has not been touched on is that to sell a
vehicle for another person really requires a dealers license. It does
in Colorado and I am nearly positive that it does in Texas as well. I
bought a car on Ebay that was being sold by one person and actually
owned by another, it was a mess. Not that this situation will be, but
who are you actually buying the car from? Ebay does not regulate if
sellers have dealers licenses, it's not their job, but selling a car
for another person without a license is against the law in most
states, it is that way to protect the buyer, it's why I have to carry
a bond. Just a word to the wise...
> Is the Rig nice? Sure looks like it! Was it misrepresented, not
that I know of. Was the activity on this forum part of an
orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but while this is not the place
for that, I don't blame them for trying. Is that rig worth 30K more
than Pokey...not in my book. In reality, items for sale are only
worth, in real dollars, what someone else is willing to pay, so if
the sale goes through, the rig was worth the 50K+...to someone.
> It will be interesting to see if it resurfaces for sale
someplace else for sale, seems to be alot of eyes watching.
> Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO, 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
>
>
> wrote:
> >
> > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any way.....
>
> Hmmmmmm, I re-read my comments and I see nothing that implies that
you
> mis-represented anything. Anything you are reading into it is of
your
> own making.
>
> I repeat: $50K is top of the market for what appears to be an
original
> 83 FC (actually beyond top of the market IMO). More power to you -
> sincerely. Since it was an eBay auction, where many 'sales' never
> actually materialize, I do hope the money arrives. My real hope
would
> be that it might actually signal a turn around for the entire Bird
> market, but I don't really believe that.
>
> As regards hype, you and thee owner both joined the forum about a
week
> ago and immediately begin posting about the eBay sale listing. To
me,
> that is hype. Hype can be good or bad, but it's still hype and
> working the market. It appears to have worked for you guys.
>
> Since you and the owner both seem to have significant BB
experience, I
> do sincerely hope you will both stick around and contribute to the
> discussion of Bird maintenance, now that the sale is over.
>
> In the meantime, we appreciate real signatures and locations on our
> posts rather than anonymous pseudonyms. And please re-read the forum
> front page rules on post contents.
>
> Merry Christmas to all.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX (current location - South Padre Island)
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "GRSmith, 111"
> wrote:
> >
> > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any way.....
> trust me..... It's an incredible coach...... believe it or
not.......
> and I have a 1988 .... that is almost as clean as this one with only
> 114K miles..... super service & maintenance all it's life.... garage
> kept for 13 years....... PT 40 ..... awesome.... trying to
> decide...... getting in to the charter coach business..... LORD
> WILLING.... pray for me...... YOu guys are great.... Crusademan
> >
> > mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote: What a incredible Christmas
> present for that seller. That certainly
> > is top of the market. Hope the money shows up.
> >
> > At that price it sure makes my prior 83PT40 (Stagecoach) seem
> > incredibly cheap at the current owner's asking price of $43,000.
> > hmmmmm...... hype pays off, I guess.
> >
> > Since they just joined the forum last week to promote the sale,
now we
> > get to see if the seller 'Ole Tom' and the marketer 'Crusademan'
stick
> > around to participate on the forum, or unsubscribe now that the
sale
> > is done.......... Hopefully, they will stick around and share
some of
> > Ole Tom's repair and upkeep tips.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX (currently on South Padre Island)
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dthollis1961"

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas!!!
> > >
> > > David Hollis 84 FC35 Springfield,IL
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> __________________________________________________
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> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
__________________________________________________
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Gardner- I'm with you. Lets move on and help others fix their coaches. If
anyone has a spare injector pump for a perkins laying around~

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Weatherford, tx



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I never felt like I was in the "spotlight"
center stage for starting what ended in much
controversy. Quite the contrary, I'm scratching
my head, stoking my chin, contemplating like
most everyone else.

I have witnessed what can happen in an auction
when the emotional side of the brain barricades
the logical side from interruption. Then, pause,
remorse sets upon the winning bidder with a
feeling of being duped by his own being.

Whatever happens at auction end, this has been
be a learning experience for most of us even
though the outcome will not affect us one penny.

bob janes, 87fcc35, greenville,sc




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
wrote:
>
> To Bob and all,
> I always appreciate a heads up on things that I am interested
in that are for sale, or just available for viewing. It's a good way
to stay up with market values and I am always looking for my
next "favorite" thing (much to the dismay of my wife). No finger
pointing intended by my post, just some random thoughts. Best Wishes
to all, Doug n' Pokey
>
>
> one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> Doug said, "Was the activity on this forum part
> of an orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but
> while this is not the place for that, I don't blame
> them for trying"
> ----------------------------------------------
> I was the person who initially brought this coach
> to the attention of the forum simply because of
> how nice it appeared to me and wanted to share.
>
> I have no past or present connection with the
> sellers with the exception I privately asked what
> kind of camera was used to take the pictures.
>
> While the price was hoovering at the 30K mark, I
> guessed that it would bring 40K, about 5k more than
> what I would value the coach just because marketing
> on Ebay had extremely good pictures,and, a good
> write-up as well.
>
> Contrary to photos of this coach, I have seen
> pictues on Ebay that were too dark and a person
> had to guess what was there. What kind of marketing
> is that for crying out loud?
>
> To me, the pictures of this coach may look better
> than the coach shows standing looking at it in person.
> That would be a let-down, wouldn't it?
>
> The seller agreed to one person's question as to
> whether or not the seller would accept an pre-
> purchase inspection of the high bidder, the seller
> did not oppose this.
>
> The bid surprised me bringing more than I paid for an
> '87 in decent condition, however, life is full of
> surprises, isn't it?
>
> A lesson in marketing?, perhaps?
>
> bobjanes, '87FC35, greenville, sc
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
> wrote:
> >
> > OK, I'll jump in...
> > I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale
> marketplace as far as I'm concerned. I have sold everything from
old
> service station signage to Porsches, a 1988 BMW M5, motorcycles of
a
> variety of flavors and the list could go on. I purchased my 1978
GMC
> Palm Beach off of Ebay and originally found Pokey there (by the
way,
> the opening bid on Pokey was 20K, no one ever made an opening bid,
it
> didn't sell through Ebay). I like and dislike Ebay, but I have
NEVER
> had an Ebay sale bring top of the market, and I've sold some nice
> stuff. I haven't monitored EVERY sale...but it has not been my
> experience that Ebay is the place to get the most out of a sale.
Are
> there often schill bidders, yes. Do auctions often end early with a
> buyer who originally found the item on Ebay and then works out a
> purchase outside of the auction, yes. Is this OK, yes. Do winning
> bidders often fail to complete a purchase, you bet! My point is,
Ebay
> is a great selling tool, but unlike any
> > other I have dealt with, I take everything on there, vehicle
> descriptions (and I agree that this Bird is far nicer than most, at
> least from the picures) and selling prices with a grain of salt.
> > One point that has not been touched on is that to sell a
> vehicle for another person really requires a dealers license. It
does
> in Colorado and I am nearly positive that it does in Texas as well.
I
> bought a car on Ebay that was being sold by one person and actually
> owned by another, it was a mess. Not that this situation will be,
but
> who are you actually buying the car from? Ebay does not regulate if
> sellers have dealers licenses, it's not their job, but selling a
car
> for another person without a license is against the law in most
> states, it is that way to protect the buyer, it's why I have to
carry
> a bond. Just a word to the wise...
> > Is the Rig nice? Sure looks like it! Was it misrepresented, not
> that I know of. Was the activity on this forum part of an
> orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but while this is not the place
> for that, I don't blame them for trying. Is that rig worth 30K more
> than Pokey...not in my book. In reality, items for sale are only
> worth, in real dollars, what someone else is willing to pay, so if
> the sale goes through, the rig was worth the 50K+...to someone.
> > It will be interesting to see if it resurfaces for sale
> someplace else for sale, seems to be alot of eyes watching.
> > Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO, 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any
way.....
> >
> > Hmmmmmm, I re-read my comments and I see nothing that implies
that
> you
> > mis-represented anything. Anything you are reading into it is of
> your
> > own making.
> >
> > I repeat: $50K is top of the market for what appears to be an
> original
> > 83 FC (actually beyond top of the market IMO). More power to you -
> > sincerely. Since it was an eBay auction, where many 'sales' never
> > actually materialize, I do hope the money arrives. My real hope
> would
> > be that it might actually signal a turn around for the entire Bird
> > market, but I don't really believe that.
> >
> > As regards hype, you and thee owner both joined the forum about a
> week
> > ago and immediately begin posting about the eBay sale listing. To
> me,
> > that is hype. Hype can be good or bad, but it's still hype and
> > working the market. It appears to have worked for you guys.
> >
> > Since you and the owner both seem to have significant BB
> experience, I
> > do sincerely hope you will both stick around and contribute to the
> > discussion of Bird maintenance, now that the sale is over.
> >
> > In the meantime, we appreciate real signatures and locations on
our
> > posts rather than anonymous pseudonyms. And please re-read the
forum
> > front page rules on post contents.
> >
> > Merry Christmas to all.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX (current location - South Padre Island)
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "GRSmith, 111"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any
way.....
> > trust me..... It's an incredible coach...... believe it or
> not.......
> > and I have a 1988 .... that is almost as clean as this one with
only
> > 114K miles..... super service & maintenance all it's life....
garage
> > kept for 13 years....... PT 40 ..... awesome.... trying to
> > decide...... getting in to the charter coach business..... LORD
> > WILLING.... pray for me...... YOu guys are great.... Crusademan
> > >
> > > mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote: What a incredible Christmas
> > present for that seller. That certainly
> > > is top of the market. Hope the money shows up.
> > >
> > > At that price it sure makes my prior 83PT40 (Stagecoach) seem
> > > incredibly cheap at the current owner's asking price of
$43,000.
> > > hmmmmm...... hype pays off, I guess.
> > >
> > > Since they just joined the forum last week to promote the sale,
> now we
> > > get to see if the seller 'Ole Tom' and the
marketer 'Crusademan'
> stick
> > > around to participate on the forum, or unsubscribe now that the
> sale
> > > is done.......... Hopefully, they will stick around and share
> some of
> > > Ole Tom's repair and upkeep tips.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX (currently on South Padre Island)
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dthollis1961"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Merry Christmas!!!
> > > >
> > > > David Hollis 84 FC35 Springfield,IL
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> > __________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
> Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> __________________________________________________
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>

---WOW!!!This subject line sure has created some interest. I have
been watching, reading all the comments.......I even made an early
comment; "pictures look good but how is the engine and tranny?"
My new comment is ..sure hope we hear from the buyer soon!

BUYER..ARE YOU OUT THERE??? Please talk to us!!

Wednesday morning here..still eating kangaroo sandwiches!!!

Regards,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36
80FC31







In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> I never felt like I was in the "spotlight"
> center stage for starting what ended in much
> controversy. Quite the contrary, I'm scratching
> my head, stoking my chin, contemplating like
> most everyone else.
>
> I have witnessed what can happen in an auction
> when the emotional side of the brain barricades
> the logical side from interruption. Then, pause,
> remorse sets upon the winning bidder with a
> feeling of being duped by his own being.
>
> Whatever happens at auction end, this has been
> be a learning experience for most of us even
> though the outcome will not affect us one penny.
>
> bob janes, 87fcc35, greenville,sc
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
> wrote:
> >
> > To Bob and all,
> > I always appreciate a heads up on things that I am
interested
> in that are for sale, or just available for viewing. It's a good
way
> to stay up with market values and I am always looking for my
> next "favorite" thing (much to the dismay of my wife). No finger
> pointing intended by my post, just some random thoughts. Best
Wishes
> to all, Doug n' Pokey
> >
> >
> > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> > Doug said, "Was the activity on this forum part
> > of an orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but
> > while this is not the place for that, I don't blame
> > them for trying"
> > ----------------------------------------------
> > I was the person who initially brought this coach
> > to the attention of the forum simply because of
> > how nice it appeared to me and wanted to share.
> >
> > I have no past or present connection with the
> > sellers with the exception I privately asked what
> > kind of camera was used to take the pictures.
> >
> > While the price was hoovering at the 30K mark, I
> > guessed that it would bring 40K, about 5k more than
> > what I would value the coach just because marketing
> > on Ebay had extremely good pictures,and, a good
> > write-up as well.
> >
> > Contrary to photos of this coach, I have seen
> > pictues on Ebay that were too dark and a person
> > had to guess what was there. What kind of marketing
> > is that for crying out loud?
> >
> > To me, the pictures of this coach may look better
> > than the coach shows standing looking at it in person.
> > That would be a let-down, wouldn't it?
> >
> > The seller agreed to one person's question as to
> > whether or not the seller would accept an pre-
> > purchase inspection of the high bidder, the seller
> > did not oppose this.
> >
> > The bid surprised me bringing more than I paid for an
> > '87 in decent condition, however, life is full of
> > surprises, isn't it?
> >
> > A lesson in marketing?, perhaps?
> >
> > bobjanes, '87FC35, greenville, sc
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, I'll jump in...
> > > I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale
> > marketplace as far as I'm concerned. I have sold everything from
> old
> > service station signage to Porsches, a 1988 BMW M5, motorcycles
of
> a
> > variety of flavors and the list could go on. I purchased my 1978
> GMC
> > Palm Beach off of Ebay and originally found Pokey there (by the
> way,
> > the opening bid on Pokey was 20K, no one ever made an opening
bid,
> it
> > didn't sell through Ebay). I like and dislike Ebay, but I have
> NEVER
> > had an Ebay sale bring top of the market, and I've sold some
nice
> > stuff. I haven't monitored EVERY sale...but it has not been my
> > experience that Ebay is the place to get the most out of a sale.
> Are
> > there often schill bidders, yes. Do auctions often end early
with a
> > buyer who originally found the item on Ebay and then works out a
> > purchase outside of the auction, yes. Is this OK, yes. Do
winning
> > bidders often fail to complete a purchase, you bet! My point is,
> Ebay
> > is a great selling tool, but unlike any
> > > other I have dealt with, I take everything on there, vehicle
> > descriptions (and I agree that this Bird is far nicer than most,
at
> > least from the picures) and selling prices with a grain of salt.
> > > One point that has not been touched on is that to sell a
> > vehicle for another person really requires a dealers license. It
> does
> > in Colorado and I am nearly positive that it does in Texas as
well.
> I
> > bought a car on Ebay that was being sold by one person and
actually
> > owned by another, it was a mess. Not that this situation will
be,
> but
> > who are you actually buying the car from? Ebay does not regulate
if
> > sellers have dealers licenses, it's not their job, but selling a
> car
> > for another person without a license is against the law in most
> > states, it is that way to protect the buyer, it's why I have to
> carry
> > a bond. Just a word to the wise...
> > > Is the Rig nice? Sure looks like it! Was it misrepresented,
not
> > that I know of. Was the activity on this forum part of an
> > orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but while this is not the
place
> > for that, I don't blame them for trying. Is that rig worth 30K
more
> > than Pokey...not in my book. In reality, items for sale are only
> > worth, in real dollars, what someone else is willing to pay, so
if
> > the sale goes through, the rig was worth the 50K+...to someone.
> > > It will be interesting to see if it resurfaces for sale
> > someplace else for sale, seems to be alot of eyes watching.
> > > Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO, 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> > >
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any
> way.....
> > >
> > > Hmmmmmm, I re-read my comments and I see nothing that implies
> that
> > you
> > > mis-represented anything. Anything you are reading into it is
of
> > your
> > > own making.
> > >
> > > I repeat: $50K is top of the market for what appears to be an
> > original
> > > 83 FC (actually beyond top of the market IMO). More power to
you -
> > > sincerely. Since it was an eBay auction, where many 'sales'
never
> > > actually materialize, I do hope the money arrives. My real
hope
> > would
> > > be that it might actually signal a turn around for the entire
Bird
> > > market, but I don't really believe that.
> > >
> > > As regards hype, you and thee owner both joined the forum
about a
> > week
> > > ago and immediately begin posting about the eBay sale listing.
To
> > me,
> > > that is hype. Hype can be good or bad, but it's still hype and
> > > working the market. It appears to have worked for you guys.
> > >
> > > Since you and the owner both seem to have significant BB
> > experience, I
> > > do sincerely hope you will both stick around and contribute to
the
> > > discussion of Bird maintenance, now that the sale is over.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, we appreciate real signatures and locations
on
> our
> > > posts rather than anonymous pseudonyms. And please re-read the
> forum
> > > front page rules on post contents.
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas to all.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX (current location - South Padre Island)
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "GRSmith, 111"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any
> way.....
> > > trust me..... It's an incredible coach...... believe it or
> > not.......
> > > and I have a 1988 .... that is almost as clean as this one
with
> only
> > > 114K miles..... super service & maintenance all it's life....
> garage
> > > kept for 13 years....... PT 40 ..... awesome.... trying to
> > > decide...... getting in to the charter coach business..... LORD
> > > WILLING.... pray for me...... YOu guys are great.... Crusademan
> > > >
> > > > mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote: What a incredible Christmas
> > > present for that seller. That certainly
> > > > is top of the market. Hope the money shows up.
> > > >
> > > > At that price it sure makes my prior 83PT40 (Stagecoach) seem
> > > > incredibly cheap at the current owner's asking price of
> $43,000.
> > > > hmmmmm...... hype pays off, I guess.
> > > >
> > > > Since they just joined the forum last week to promote the
sale,
> > now we
> > > > get to see if the seller 'Ole Tom' and the
> marketer 'Crusademan'
> > stick
> > > > around to participate on the forum, or unsubscribe now that
the
> > sale
> > > > is done.......... Hopefully, they will stick around and
share
> > some of
> > > > Ole Tom's repair and upkeep tips.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX (currently on South Padre Island)
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dthollis1961"
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Merry Christmas!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > David Hollis 84 FC35 Springfield,IL
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> > > __________________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
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