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Julia, Ground strap to block????
ground link to both sets of batteries?????
power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.

I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
man.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g_man1146"
wrote:
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
loosing
> power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
> cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
you
> are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
> cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
> Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
> the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
add
> to this.
>
> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Julia Bonser
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
> turbo
> > boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
> awhile
> > then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
> them
> > change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
We
> > stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
> then
> > were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
> seals
> > and install new front shocks.
> >
> > We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
> at
> > Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
transmission
> > light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
> code
> > 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
> up
> > again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
> limped
> > into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
> > ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
> and
> > all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
> way
> > to the front of the coach where the translator device is
located.
> > Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
> >
> > We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
> stayed
> > there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
> power.
> > Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
> the
> > code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
> same
> > problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
> the
> > scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
> kept
> > stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
> were
> > yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
> the
> > sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
> engine
> > and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
> parked
> > in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
> > transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
> Irving
> > and they said that didn't sound right to them.
> >
> > So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
Diesel/
> > Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
> they
> > can come check our rig out.
> >
> > I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
> instead
> > of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Julie Bonser
> > 1992 WLWB PT 40'
> >
>

Hi Greg, Julia and Dick. Randy is away in Georgia right now but I called him
and here is the synopsis of our conversation. Randy believes the problems
are not related. He said that although you may have had the grounds all
cleaned there is one that may have been missed. Randy missed this one
himself and only found it by accident. Apparently there is a ground strap
that corrodes easily located on the passenger side of the tranny. This strap
is attached to one of the two 3/4 inch bolts that secure the tranny spin-on
filter bracket to the tranny housing. He only found this grounding strap
when he had to remove the bracket to get at some leaking tranny lines. As
far as the NO TURBO he would need some more info. His first guess was dirty
air filter but I believe you changed the air filter didn't you? He would
also like to know what the code 21 means. Julia if you would like to talk
directly to Randy he told me he would be back from dinner at 8pm Georgia
time which I believe is 7pm your time. I will privately email you his cell
phone number.

On 06/12/06, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> Julia, Ground strap to block????
> ground link to both sets of batteries?????
> power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
> for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
> Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.
>
> I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
> and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
> heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
> man.
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "g_man1146"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Julie,
> >
> > When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
> loosing
> > power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
> > cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
> you
> > are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
> > cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
> > Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
> > the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
> add
> > to this.
> >
> > Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> Julia Bonser
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
> > turbo
> > > boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
> > awhile
> > > then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
> > them
> > > change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
> We
> > > stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
> > then
> > > were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
> > seals
> > > and install new front shocks.
> > >
> > > We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
> > at
> > > Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
> transmission
> > > light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
> > code
> > > 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
> > up
> > > again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
> > limped
> > > into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
> > > ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
> > and
> > > all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
> > way
> > > to the front of the coach where the translator device is
> located.
> > > Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
> > >
> > > We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
> > stayed
> > > there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
> > power.
> > > Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
> > the
> > > code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
> > same
> > > problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
> > the
> > > scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
> > kept
> > > stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
> > were
> > > yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
> > the
> > > sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
> > engine
> > > and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
> > parked
> > > in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
> > > transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
> > Irving
> > > and they said that didn't sound right to them.
> > >
> > > So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
> Diesel/
> > > Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
> > they
> > > can come check our rig out.
> > >
> > > I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
> > instead
> > > of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Julie Bonser
> > > 1992 WLWB PT 40'
> > >
> >
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

According to Industrial Automatic Transmission they spent a lot of
time and our money cleaning up all the ground connections because
that was what seemed to be the problem. Their Service Manager said
it seemed like it wasn't getting enough air. The Detroit Diesel shop
in Oklahoma City said our air filter was good.

Yes changing the subject line is a good idea. We are leaving Van Horn
tonight.


Julie Bonser
1992 WLWB PT 40'



On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Gregory OConnor wrote:

> Julia, Ground strap to block????
> ground link to both sets of batteries?????
> power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
> for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
> Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.
>
> I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
> and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
> heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
> man.
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g_man1146"
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
> loosing
>> power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
>> cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
> you
>> are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
>> cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
>> Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
>> the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
> add
>> to this.
>>
>> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>>
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Julia Bonser
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
>> turbo
>>> boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
>> awhile
>>> then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
>> them
>>> change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
> We
>>> stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
>> then
>>> were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
>> seals
>>> and install new front shocks.
>>>
>>> We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
>> at
>>> Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
> transmission
>>> light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
>> code
>>> 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
>> up
>>> again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
>> limped
>>> into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
>>> ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
>> and
>>> all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
>> way
>>> to the front of the coach where the translator device is
> located.
>>> Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
>>>
>>> We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
>> stayed
>>> there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
>> power.
>>> Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
>> the
>>> code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
>> same
>>> problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
>> the
>>> scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
>> kept
>>> stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
>> were
>>> yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
>> the
>>> sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
>> engine
>>> and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
>> parked
>>> in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
>>> transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
>> Irving
>>> and they said that didn't sound right to them.
>>>
>>> So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
> Diesel/
>>> Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
>> they
>>> can come check our rig out.
>>>
>>> I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
>> instead
>>> of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Julie Bonser
>>> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thanks Rob for talking to Randy. I'll look for his number.

The problem is intermittent which seems to us to say it is not the
air filter. Since it was Allison Transmission specialist who did the
work I would think they would know where all the ground connections
are but we will have S & S check that one. Code 21 means throttle
position sensor error or fault. Everyone says it is not the sensor as
it is an on off switch in the translator between the transmission and
the engine.

We will be on the road at 7 but I will try and phone him around 8 our
time. We don't know if they will let us stay in the coach or if we
will have to find a motel.

Julie Bonser
1992 WLWB PT 40'



On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Rob Robinson wrote:

> Hi Greg, Julia and Dick. Randy is away in Georgia right now but I
> called him
> and here is the synopsis of our conversation. Randy believes the
> problems
> are not related. He said that although you may have had the grounds
> all
> cleaned there is one that may have been missed. Randy missed this one
> himself and only found it by accident. Apparently there is a ground
> strap
> that corrodes easily located on the passenger side of the tranny.
> This strap
> is attached to one of the two 3/4 inch bolts that secure the tranny
> spin-on
> filter bracket to the tranny housing. He only found this grounding
> strap
> when he had to remove the bracket to get at some leaking tranny
> lines. As
> far as the NO TURBO he would need some more info. His first guess
> was dirty
> air filter but I believe you changed the air filter didn't you? He
> would
> also like to know what the code 21 means. Julia if you would like
> to talk
> directly to Randy he told me he would be back from dinner at 8pm
> Georgia
> time which I believe is 7pm your time. I will privately email you
> his cell
> phone number.
>
> On 06/12/06, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>>
>> Julia, Ground strap to block????
>> ground link to both sets of batteries?????
>> power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
>> for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
>> Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.
>>
>> I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
>> and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
>> heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
>> man.
>> GregoryO'Connor
>> 94ptRomolandCa
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "g_man1146"
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Julie,
>>>
>>> When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
>> loosing
>>> power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
>>> cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
>> you
>>> are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
>>> cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
>>> Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
>>> the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
>> add
>>> to this.
>>>
>>> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >>> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Julia Bonser
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
>>> turbo
>>>> boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
>>> awhile
>>>> then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
>>> them
>>>> change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
>> We
>>>> stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
>>> then
>>>> were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
>>> seals
>>>> and install new front shocks.
>>>>
>>>> We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
>>> at
>>>> Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
>> transmission
>>>> light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
>>> code
>>>> 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
>>> up
>>>> again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
>>> limped
>>>> into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
>>>> ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
>>> and
>>>> all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
>>> way
>>>> to the front of the coach where the translator device is
>> located.
>>>> Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
>>>>
>>>> We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
>>> stayed
>>>> there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
>>> power.
>>>> Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
>>> the
>>>> code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
>>> same
>>>> problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
>>> the
>>>> scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
>>> kept
>>>> stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
>>> were
>>>> yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
>>> the
>>>> sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
>>> engine
>>>> and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
>>> parked
>>>> in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
>>>> transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
>>> Irving
>>>> and they said that didn't sound right to them.
>>>>
>>>> So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
>> Diesel/
>>>> Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
>>> they
>>>> can come check our rig out.
>>>>
>>>> I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
>>> instead
>>>> of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julie Bonser
>>>> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Julia I hope this email gets out as I have really poor service here in this
campground. Just in case I have asked Greg in SOCAL to privately email
you Randy's cell phone number.

On 06/12/06, Julia Bonser wrote:
>
> According to Industrial Automatic Transmission they spent a lot of
> time and our money cleaning up all the ground connections because
> that was what seemed to be the problem. Their Service Manager said
> it seemed like it wasn't getting enough air. The Detroit Diesel shop
> in Oklahoma City said our air filter was good.
>
> Yes changing the subject line is a good idea. We are leaving Van Horn
> tonight.
>
> Julie Bonser
> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
>
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> > Julia, Ground strap to block????
> > ground link to both sets of batteries?????
> > power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
> > for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
> > Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.
> >
> > I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
> > and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
> > heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
> > man.
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "g_man1146"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Julie,
> >>
> >> When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
> > loosing
> >> power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
> >> cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
> > you
> >> are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
> >> cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
> >> Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
> >> the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
> > add
> >> to this.
> >>
> >> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> Julia Bonser
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
> >> turbo
> >>> boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
> >> awhile
> >>> then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
> >> them
> >>> change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
> > We
> >>> stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
> >> then
> >>> were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
> >> seals
> >>> and install new front shocks.
> >>>
> >>> We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
> >> at
> >>> Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
> > transmission
> >>> light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
> >> code
> >>> 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
> >> up
> >>> again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
> >> limped
> >>> into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
> >>> ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
> >> and
> >>> all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
> >> way
> >>> to the front of the coach where the translator device is
> > located.
> >>> Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
> >>>
> >>> We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
> >> stayed
> >>> there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
> >> power.
> >>> Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
> >> the
> >>> code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
> >> same
> >>> problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
> >> the
> >>> scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
> >> kept
> >>> stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
> >> were
> >>> yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
> >> the
> >>> sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
> >> engine
> >>> and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
> >> parked
> >>> in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
> >>> transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
> >> Irving
> >>> and they said that didn't sound right to them.
> >>>
> >>> So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
> > Diesel/
> >>> Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
> >> they
> >>> can come check our rig out.
> >>>
> >>> I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
> >> instead
> >>> of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Julie Bonser
> >>> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm sure when you changed your oil filters you changed your raycor and fuel
filter! you can have a loss of turbo for that reason also...

Jim

88WLWB XXV
Stuart Fl

Julia Bonser wrote:
According to Industrial Automatic Transmission they spent a lot of
time and our money cleaning up all the ground connections because
that was what seemed to be the problem. Their Service Manager said
it seemed like it wasn't getting enough air. The Detroit Diesel shop
in Oklahoma City said our air filter was good.

Yes changing the subject line is a good idea. We are leaving Van Horn
tonight.

Julie Bonser
1992 WLWB PT 40'

On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Gregory OConnor wrote:

> Julia, Ground strap to block????
> ground link to both sets of batteries?????
> power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
> for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
> Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.
>
> I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
> and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
> heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
> man.
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g_man1146"
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
> loosing
>> power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
>> cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
> you
>> are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
>> cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
>> Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
>> the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
> add
>> to this.
>>
>> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>>
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Julia Bonser
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
>> turbo
>>> boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
>> awhile
>>> then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
>> them
>>> change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
> We
>>> stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
>> then
>>> were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
>> seals
>>> and install new front shocks.
>>>
>>> We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
>> at
>>> Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
> transmission
>>> light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
>> code
>>> 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
>> up
>>> again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
>> limped
>>> into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
>>> ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
>> and
>>> all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
>> way
>>> to the front of the coach where the translator device is
> located.
>>> Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
>>>
>>> We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
>> stayed
>>> there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
>> power.
>>> Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
>> the
>>> code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
>> same
>>> problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
>> the
>>> scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
>> kept
>>> stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
>> were
>>> yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
>> the
>>> sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
>> engine
>>> and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
>> parked
>>> in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
>>> transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
>> Irving
>>> and they said that didn't sound right to them.
>>>
>>> So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
> Diesel/
>>> Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
>> they
>>> can come check our rig out.
>>>
>>> I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
>> instead
>>> of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
>>>
>>>
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>>> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
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Yes, both of those were changed in Oklahoma City.

Julie Bonser
1992 WLWB PT 40'



On Dec 7, 2006, at 5:10 AM, jim riordan wrote:

> I'm sure when you changed your oil filters you changed your raycor
> and fuel filter! you can have a loss of turbo for that reason also...
>
> Jim
>
> 88WLWB XXV
> Stuart Fl
>
> Julia Bonser wrote:
> According to Industrial Automatic Transmission they spent
> a lot of
> time and our money cleaning up all the ground connections because
> that was what seemed to be the problem. Their Service Manager said
> it seemed like it wasn't getting enough air. The Detroit Diesel shop
> in Oklahoma City said our air filter was good.
>
> Yes changing the subject line is a good idea. We are leaving Van Horn
> tonight.
>
> Julie Bonser
> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
>
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
>> Julia, Ground strap to block????
>> ground link to both sets of batteries?????
>> power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
>> for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
>> Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.
>>
>> I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
>> and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
>> heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
>> man.
>> GregoryO'Connor
>> 94ptRomolandCa
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g_man1146"
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Julie,
>>>
>>> When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
>> loosing
>>> power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
>>> cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
>> you
>>> are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
>>> cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
>>> Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
>>> the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
>> add
>>> to this.
>>>
>>> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Julia Bonser
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
>>> turbo
>>>> boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
>>> awhile
>>>> then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
>>> them
>>>> change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
>> We
>>>> stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
>>> then
>>>> were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
>>> seals
>>>> and install new front shocks.
>>>>
>>>> We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
>>> at
>>>> Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
>> transmission
>>>> light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
>>> code
>>>> 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
>>> up
>>>> again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
>>> limped
>>>> into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
>>>> ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
>>> and
>>>> all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
>>> way
>>>> to the front of the coach where the translator device is
>> located.
>>>> Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
>>>>
>>>> We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
>>> stayed
>>>> there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
>>> power.
>>>> Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
>>> the
>>>> code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
>>> same
>>>> problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
>>> the
>>>> scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
>>> kept
>>>> stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
>>> were
>>>> yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
>>> the
>>>> sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
>>> engine
>>>> and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
>>> parked
>>>> in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
>>>> transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
>>> Irving
>>>> and they said that didn't sound right to them.
>>>>
>>>> So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
>> Diesel/
>>>> Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
>>> they
>>>> can come check our rig out.
>>>>
>>>> I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
>>> instead
>>>> of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julie Bonser
>>>> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
>>>>
>>>
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Has the throttle position sensor been checked/replaced? Sometimes computers can
be correct.

Troy Tikalsky

----- Original Message -----
From: Julia Bonser
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1992 Pt CheckTrans lite Detroit powers down


Thanks Rob for talking to Randy. I'll look for his number.

The problem is intermittent which seems to us to say it is not the
air filter. Since it was Allison Transmission specialist who did the
work I would think they would know where all the ground connections
are but we will have S & S check that one. Code 21 means throttle
position sensor error or fault. Everyone says it is not the sensor as
it is an on off switch in the translator between the transmission and
the engine.

We will be on the road at 7 but I will try and phone him around 8 our
time. We don't know if they will let us stay in the coach or if we
will have to find a motel.

Julie Bonser
1992 WLWB PT 40'

On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Rob Robinson wrote:

> Hi Greg, Julia and Dick. Randy is away in Georgia right now but I
> called him
> and here is the synopsis of our conversation. Randy believes the
> problems
> are not related. He said that although you may have had the grounds
> all
> cleaned there is one that may have been missed. Randy missed this one
> himself and only found it by accident. Apparently there is a ground
> strap
> that corrodes easily located on the passenger side of the tranny.
> This strap
> is attached to one of the two 3/4 inch bolts that secure the tranny
> spin-on
> filter bracket to the tranny housing. He only found this grounding
> strap
> when he had to remove the bracket to get at some leaking tranny
> lines. As
> far as the NO TURBO he would need some more info. His first guess
> was dirty
> air filter but I believe you changed the air filter didn't you? He
> would
> also like to know what the code 21 means. Julia if you would like
> to talk
> directly to Randy he told me he would be back from dinner at 8pm
> Georgia
> time which I believe is 7pm your time. I will privately email you
> his cell
> phone number.
>
> On 06/12/06, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>>
>> Julia, Ground strap to block????
>> ground link to both sets of batteries?????
>> power from one battery set for computer and power from another set
>> for input devices to the computer could be a unique problem with the
>> Bird causing the confusion with seasoned DD Allison techs.
>>
>> I hope the new thread caption I enterd will help attract responces
>> and provide future reference for others. Reading your other topic
>> heading, I started to print the contact information for my BailBonds
>> man.
>> GregoryO'Connor
>> 94ptRomolandCa
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "g_man1146"
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Julie,
>>>
>>> When you say; "The turbo boost won't." I assume that you are
>> loosing
>>> power. Detroit Diesel Electronic Controls (DDEC) will automatically
>>> cut engine power for many reasons including overheating, etc. If
>> you
>>> are getting a repeating engine or transmission warning light, the
>>> cause of that may also be causing the DDEC to cut engine power. A
>>> Detroit/ Allison shop should be able to read the code and determine
>>> the cause. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will jump in here to
>> add
>>> to this.
>>>
>>> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >>> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Julia Bonser
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have been having problems with our Bluebird since Iowa. The
>>> turbo
>>>> boost won't. The problem has been intermittent if we waited
>>> awhile
>>>> then she would drive fine. We stopped in Oklahoma City and had
>>> them
>>>> change the oil and filters and they said that was the problem.
>> We
>>>> stopped in Duncan to have Ralph to some work on our coach and
>>> then
>>>> were going to Irving, TX to have a shop there check the axle
>>> seals
>>>> and install new front shocks.
>>>>
>>>> We lost the turbo boost just as we were getting on the interstate
>>> at
>>>> Gainesville so I pulled off immediately as the check
>> transmission
>>>> light came on. I pushed the check transmission button and got
>>> code
>>>> 21. After some time we started up again and it ran fine. It acted
>>> up
>>>> again just before we got off the freeway for the shop and it
>>> limped
>>>> into the parking lot. They checked it out and said it was faulty
>>>> ground and cleaned all the corrosion off the chassis batteries
>>> and
>>>> all of the ground connections and the other connections all the
>>> way
>>>> to the front of the coach where the translator device is
>> located.
>>>> Test drove it and said the problem is fixed.
>>>>
>>>> We left Saturday morning and made it to Pecos on Sunday. We
>>> stayed
>>>> there until Tuesday and 30 miles south of Pecos we again lost
>>> power.
>>>> Dick phoned the shop in Irvine and he walked us through clearing
>>> the
>>>> code and we started up again and just past Van Horn we had the
>>> same
>>>> problem. We wound up on the roadside half on an exit ramp from
>>> the
>>>> scenic overlook. We phoned our ERS and the person they contacted
>>> kept
>>>> stalling about coming out to assess the problem. Finally as we
>>> were
>>>> yet again on the phone to the ERS a tow driver stopped because
>>> the
>>>> sheriff asked him to see if he could help. We started up the
>>> engine
>>>> and it ran again so we went down hill into Van Horn and are
>>> parked
>>>> in the lot of the tow truck driver. He says our problem is the
>>>> transmission filters. Dick checked with the Allison shop in
>>> Irving
>>>> and they said that didn't sound right to them.
>>>>
>>>> So we are going to find a campground and phone the Detroit
>> Diesel/
>>>> Allison people in El Paso who have mobile service to find out if
>>> they
>>>> can come check our rig out.
>>>>
>>>> I hope we can get someone to figure out what the problem is
>>> instead
>>>> of paying everyone down the highway money to figure it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julie Bonser
>>>> 1992 WLWB PT 40'
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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