Stephen Birtles
09-26-2006, 00:12
I have made a small panel to be used as a test load for the el panels
I will be sending it to Curt SPrenger so he can use it for testing his
panel after that it will be going to Greg O'Connor and then I believe
to Leroy Eckert
Anyone is welcome to use it But I am only going to donate one for the
cause
All I ask is that you take care of it and keep track of it for use by
others
Also please do not crimp any ends on to the leads use alligator clips
and your own leads for connections
Stephen 77fc35
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
wrote:
>
> OUCH!!! Call Stephen Birtles!
>
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> >94Pt Inverters are located in the bay under cockpit. Two brick size
> >units on the sheet metal wall below the windshield washer fill. Red
> >is DC rheostat regulated voltage in. Black is ground. other two
> >colors are 110 volts out to the EL panel. One operates the upper and
> >one operates the lower dash. BB sells the brick inverters for 360.93
> >each.
> >Greg
> >94pt
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Thanks Stephen, I will stay with it until I find the problem.
> >>
> >>Leroy Eckert
> >>1990 WB-40
> >>Niceville, FL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Stephen Birtles
> >> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:44 PM
> >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash EL Inverter Locations 94pt
> >>
> >>
> >found
> >
> >
> >> Leroy
> >> Equate the el panel inverter to a fluorescent tube no inputs just
> >> outputs and if you are measuring current its in milliamps around
> >>
> >>
> >250.
> >
> >
> >> I would hazard a guess that the circuit would appear to be open
> >>
> >>
> >with
> >
> >
> >> an ohmmeter when the panel is off or not inexcitation
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Bob: I don't no squat about EL panels, except they are sensitive
> >> and are powered by inverters. Hope this isn't a really dumb
> >> question. According to what I see my little blue inverters have 4
> >> wires each. Wire colors are as follows:
> >> > 1 red , 1 purple, and 2 black. I know the purple is to ground. I
> >> have not traced the red-connected to green to the rheostat yet
> >>
> >>
> >because
> >
> >
> >> of my configuration. I'll have to remove a lot of stuff in order
> >>
> >>
> >to
> >
> >
> >> ohm out any wires. I presume that the red is hot 12v. I presume
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >> two blacks are 110v each line because that is the way I read the
> >> diagram I have, which shows different wire colors than I actually
> >> have. It appears that I have original inverters. Question: How
> >>
> >>
> >does
> >
> >
> >> the 110v circuit get completed without a neutral or ground?
> >> > I do not want to screw up and cause another problem. Trying to
> >> understand how these things work, before I tear the front section
> >> apart so I can actually work with them.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Leroy Eckert
> >> > 1990 WB-40
> >> > Niceville, FL
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: one_dusty_hoot
> >> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 1:00 PM
> >> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash EL Inverter Locations 94pt
> >>
> >>
> >found
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Greg, The output frequency, cycles per second, Hertz, whatever,
> >> > of an off-the-shelf vanilla inverter is 60Hz for use in our
> >>
> >>
> >60Hz.
> >
> >
> >> > world. This low frequency is the reason the not-so-bright light.
> >> > Electroluminescent(EL) material needs 400-1600 Hz. for the
> >>
> >>
> >Phosphor
> >
> >
> >> > to be excited giving a brighter glow. (Nice try though)
> >> >
> >> > I think the fuse blowing inverter is toast but you could
> >>
> >>
> >subsitute
> >
> >
> >> > the good inverter here to see this circuit works. Do not apply
> >> > voltage to the inverter without a load, that being the rheostat
> >>
> >>
> >and
> >
> >
> >> > the dash EL material. Before doing so you could check both
> >>
> >>
> >circuits
> >
> >
> >> > with an ohm meter to see if they read the same, or
> >>
> >>
> >approximately so.
> >
> >
> >> > Rheostat settings may change the ohms reading? And,series fuse
> >>
> >>
> >it
> >
> >
> >> > when you do. EL circuits do not use much current, Amps.
> >> > Good Luck
> >> > Bob Janes, Greenville, SC
> >> >
> >> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > There are two inverters for all the Luminescence dash lights.
> >>
> >>
> >both
> >
> >
> >> > > units are 3/4 the size of a brick and weigh about 2 pounds
> >>
> >>
> >each.
> >
> >
> >> > They
> >> > > are in the bay under the driver (with the Genset fan), on the
> >> > forward
> >> > > sheet metal wall. The upper Rheostat has an inline 2 amp fuse
> >>
> >>
> >in
> >
> >
> >> > the
> >> > > 12 volt input side (black). The red wire from the rheostat
> >> > supplies
> >> > > the regulated DC power to the inverter. I tried to hook up a
> >>
> >>
> >150
> >
> >
> >> > > watt Pepboys inverter ($40.00)but the dash lights would not
> >>
> >>
> >get
> >
> >
> >> > > very bright. There is no fuse on the lower dash rheostat but
> >>
> >>
> >I did
> >
> >
> >> > > find power in. No power is coming out 'at' the lower dash
> >>
> >>
> >inverter
> >
> >
> >> > > and I have not traced if it stops in a faulty rheostat or bad
> >>
> >>
> >wire
> >
> >
> >> > > to inverter location.
> >> > >
> >> > > I powered up the non working inverter with a 2 amp inline
> >>
> >>
> >fused hot
> >
> >
> >> > > wire jumped from a lug in the bay. The faulty inverter kept
> >> > blowing
> >> > > fuses. I started at 2 amp and then 10 amps to see if this was
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >> > > problem If these two inverters are stock I may just keep the
> >>
> >>
> >good
> >
> >
> >> > one
> >> > > and replace the damaged one. I was unable to follow wires to
> >>
> >>
> >find
> >
> >
> >> > > the location so I turned on the headlight switch,
> >>
> >>
> >disconnected the
> >
> >
> >> > > headlight warning buzzer, and listened for inverter noise.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you for all the help.
> >> > >
> >> > > GregoryO'Connor
> >> > > 94ptRomolandCa
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
I will be sending it to Curt SPrenger so he can use it for testing his
panel after that it will be going to Greg O'Connor and then I believe
to Leroy Eckert
Anyone is welcome to use it But I am only going to donate one for the
cause
All I ask is that you take care of it and keep track of it for use by
others
Also please do not crimp any ends on to the leads use alligator clips
and your own leads for connections
Stephen 77fc35
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
>
> OUCH!!! Call Stephen Birtles!
>
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> >94Pt Inverters are located in the bay under cockpit. Two brick size
> >units on the sheet metal wall below the windshield washer fill. Red
> >is DC rheostat regulated voltage in. Black is ground. other two
> >colors are 110 volts out to the EL panel. One operates the upper and
> >one operates the lower dash. BB sells the brick inverters for 360.93
> >each.
> >Greg
> >94pt
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> >
> >
> >
> >>Thanks Stephen, I will stay with it until I find the problem.
> >>
> >>Leroy Eckert
> >>1990 WB-40
> >>Niceville, FL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Stephen Birtles
> >> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:44 PM
> >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash EL Inverter Locations 94pt
> >>
> >>
> >found
> >
> >
> >> Leroy
> >> Equate the el panel inverter to a fluorescent tube no inputs just
> >> outputs and if you are measuring current its in milliamps around
> >>
> >>
> >250.
> >
> >
> >> I would hazard a guess that the circuit would appear to be open
> >>
> >>
> >with
> >
> >
> >> an ohmmeter when the panel is off or not inexcitation
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Bob: I don't no squat about EL panels, except they are sensitive
> >> and are powered by inverters. Hope this isn't a really dumb
> >> question. According to what I see my little blue inverters have 4
> >> wires each. Wire colors are as follows:
> >> > 1 red , 1 purple, and 2 black. I know the purple is to ground. I
> >> have not traced the red-connected to green to the rheostat yet
> >>
> >>
> >because
> >
> >
> >> of my configuration. I'll have to remove a lot of stuff in order
> >>
> >>
> >to
> >
> >
> >> ohm out any wires. I presume that the red is hot 12v. I presume
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >> two blacks are 110v each line because that is the way I read the
> >> diagram I have, which shows different wire colors than I actually
> >> have. It appears that I have original inverters. Question: How
> >>
> >>
> >does
> >
> >
> >> the 110v circuit get completed without a neutral or ground?
> >> > I do not want to screw up and cause another problem. Trying to
> >> understand how these things work, before I tear the front section
> >> apart so I can actually work with them.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Leroy Eckert
> >> > 1990 WB-40
> >> > Niceville, FL
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: one_dusty_hoot
> >> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 1:00 PM
> >> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash EL Inverter Locations 94pt
> >>
> >>
> >found
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Greg, The output frequency, cycles per second, Hertz, whatever,
> >> > of an off-the-shelf vanilla inverter is 60Hz for use in our
> >>
> >>
> >60Hz.
> >
> >
> >> > world. This low frequency is the reason the not-so-bright light.
> >> > Electroluminescent(EL) material needs 400-1600 Hz. for the
> >>
> >>
> >Phosphor
> >
> >
> >> > to be excited giving a brighter glow. (Nice try though)
> >> >
> >> > I think the fuse blowing inverter is toast but you could
> >>
> >>
> >subsitute
> >
> >
> >> > the good inverter here to see this circuit works. Do not apply
> >> > voltage to the inverter without a load, that being the rheostat
> >>
> >>
> >and
> >
> >
> >> > the dash EL material. Before doing so you could check both
> >>
> >>
> >circuits
> >
> >
> >> > with an ohm meter to see if they read the same, or
> >>
> >>
> >approximately so.
> >
> >
> >> > Rheostat settings may change the ohms reading? And,series fuse
> >>
> >>
> >it
> >
> >
> >> > when you do. EL circuits do not use much current, Amps.
> >> > Good Luck
> >> > Bob Janes, Greenville, SC
> >> >
> >> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > There are two inverters for all the Luminescence dash lights.
> >>
> >>
> >both
> >
> >
> >> > > units are 3/4 the size of a brick and weigh about 2 pounds
> >>
> >>
> >each.
> >
> >
> >> > They
> >> > > are in the bay under the driver (with the Genset fan), on the
> >> > forward
> >> > > sheet metal wall. The upper Rheostat has an inline 2 amp fuse
> >>
> >>
> >in
> >
> >
> >> > the
> >> > > 12 volt input side (black). The red wire from the rheostat
> >> > supplies
> >> > > the regulated DC power to the inverter. I tried to hook up a
> >>
> >>
> >150
> >
> >
> >> > > watt Pepboys inverter ($40.00)but the dash lights would not
> >>
> >>
> >get
> >
> >
> >> > > very bright. There is no fuse on the lower dash rheostat but
> >>
> >>
> >I did
> >
> >
> >> > > find power in. No power is coming out 'at' the lower dash
> >>
> >>
> >inverter
> >
> >
> >> > > and I have not traced if it stops in a faulty rheostat or bad
> >>
> >>
> >wire
> >
> >
> >> > > to inverter location.
> >> > >
> >> > > I powered up the non working inverter with a 2 amp inline
> >>
> >>
> >fused hot
> >
> >
> >> > > wire jumped from a lug in the bay. The faulty inverter kept
> >> > blowing
> >> > > fuses. I started at 2 amp and then 10 amps to see if this was
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >> > > problem If these two inverters are stock I may just keep the
> >>
> >>
> >good
> >
> >
> >> > one
> >> > > and replace the damaged one. I was unable to follow wires to
> >>
> >>
> >find
> >
> >
> >> > > the location so I turned on the headlight switch,
> >>
> >>
> >disconnected the
> >
> >
> >> > > headlight warning buzzer, and listened for inverter noise.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you for all the help.
> >> > >
> >> > > GregoryO'Connor
> >> > > 94ptRomolandCa
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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