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How much Freon does the dash air take when empty. Both R12 and R 134.
This is on a 86 PT 38. I was told that you use less R 134 when you
update an R 12 system. Elmer in Sebring FL.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ejohna2000" wrote:
>
> How much Freon does the dash air take when empty. Both R12 and R 134.
> This is on a 86 PT 38. I was told that you use less R 134 when you
> update an R 12 system. Elmer in Sebring FL.
>
ELMER: Here is what I did.
134A conversion
1986 PT40
Here is some info you all might want to capture.
The air conditioning has gradually deteriorated in my coach. Leaking
R12 into the atmosphere and the expense of replacement R12 drove me
toward a conversion attempt. Factory conversion, while effective, is
expensive ($3500-4000 -- they do replace all the plumbing and all
components -- compressor, dryer, evaporator etc., etc)
After some discussion with my local trusty mech at the Highway Garage,
Stafford, VA, we decided to try a less expensive approach that while
not a perfect solution, gets it done.

Discussion with the factory reps indicate they charged the system with
5-6 lbs. of R12 and then watched the bubbles in the dryer. Note:
watching bubbles is not effective for 134. Accordingly, using the 80%
conversion we figured somewhere between four/five lbs. would be needed.

We installed a new dryer (in passenger overhead--has the sight gage).
The system was evacuated, checked to see if it would hold vacuum, and
filled with 4.5 lbs. of 134A, A/C oil, and leak check dye (while
visible to the eye it is best to use a black light). It was a 90
degree day, sea level-- pressures were 36 and 247 for low/ high side.

So far, so good. While one cannot hang meat it seems to be working fine.

Wouldn't you know it. After completing the evolution, the long time
engineer guru (Guy Moulder) from the factory called. He said the
system was a 6 LB system and I should therefore have 4.8 lbs. of 134A
in the system.

Total expense was a little over $400.

Now I have a base line. I will explore running new and modern plumbing
when/if the need arises.

I bought a charge kit from an auto parts place (about $15) and a
couple of cans of 134A from Wal-Mart. My plan: add no more than 1 can
if things go south on the road somewhere

Here is info I recieved when I was looking for help. Note the
conversion from R12 to R134: 75-80 percent

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The act of conversion fron R12 to 134A can be simple or very
complicated. I have done about 100 conversions both easy and hard. The
easiest way is to go to Wal-Mart and buy the conversion kit for under
$40.00 and do the conversion like the instructions say. I have had
very good success with this method except some Chrysler product with a
block style expansion. The long way around is to have the R12
evaculated by a professional. (this must be done in all cases) remeove
the dryer, and compressor. Flush the system with a conversion flush
(available at NAPA) change all the O rings to 134 type. Replace the
dryer with a 134 type. Drain the compressor of all the oil but DO NOT
FLUSH the compressor. Add 134 oil to the compressor and dryer. Usually
about 8oz.Install the 134 chrage fittings to the low and high pressure
sides. Reassemble and evacuate for at least 90 minutes. Re charge with
R134a. Remember the134 charge weight is 75% to 80% of the R12 charge.
The problem with recharge is 134 is very critical of charge amount.
One oz over and it will increase head pressure a lot. Charge until the
low pressure sidea starts to sweat back and it will work as good or
better than R12. This last method costs between $300/$400. I can
honestly say that both methods work very well as I have done a lot of
both. The cheap kit has an oil additive that neutralizes the R12 oil
and acids. I have seen compressor failures both ways. Fords have more
failure s in the conversions than any. GM's and foreign are easy to
do. I I converted a 90 Honda today and it has 38 degree air. I used
the cheap method. Sorry to ramble but I must say ther are a lot of
untruths out there about conversions but the final decision is up to
you. If I can be of any help let me know. Lee armeter Biloxi, Ms
End quote.

Jim Scoggins
04 M380
formerly
86 PT40 wih a working air conditioner

Does anyone have a schematic for plumbing and electrical on the Dash A/C for a
92 Wanderlodge?

I continue to have my dash a/c quit cooling after a short time while driving.
System is full of freon and cools effectively for a short time.

It may be possible that the defrost heat is mixing with the a/c or the
thermostat is cutting off the compressor. Anyway, any help would be
appreciated.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

Ron,

The first place to check is the heater control valve at the copilots feet by the heater core.

Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown,Arizona
97 WLWB41

Hi Ron, If your freon charge is a little low the system will work fine for a little while until the evap. coil under your dash freezes up turning into a block of ice and and then cooling stops.

Also like you mentioned it could be the warm air from the front heat warming your conditioned air, did you shut off the valve or valve's in the heater hose supply lines to the front heat?

Wayne kotila

1996 PT42

From: ronmarabito2002
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:53 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Dash A/C

Does anyone have a schematic for plumbing and electrical on the Dash A/C for a 92 Wanderlodge?

I continue to have my dash a/c quit cooling after a short time while driving. System is full of freon and cools effectively for a short time.

It may be possible that the defrost heat is mixing with the a/c or the thermostat is cutting off the compressor. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

System is fully charged, but I did not think to close off the heat manual valves
to see if that is the problem. I'll check that on the next warm day.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Kotila wrote:
>
> Hi Ron, If your freon charge is a little low the system will work fine for a
little while until the evap. coil under your dash freezes up turning into a
block of ice and and then cooling stops.
> Also like you mentioned it could be the warm air from the front heat warming
your conditioned air, did you shut off the valve or valve's in the heater hose
supply lines to the front heat?
> Ã
> Wayne kotila
> 1996 PT42
> Ã
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:53 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Dash A/C
>
>
> Ã
> Does anyone have a schematic for plumbing and electrical on the Dash A/C for a
92 Wanderlodge?
>
> I continue to have my dash a/c quit cooling after a short time while driving.
System is full of freon and cools effectively for a short time.
>
> It may be possible that the defrost heat is mixing with the a/c or the
thermostat is cutting off the compressor. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>

Thanks Fred. As suggested by another member, I need to check by closing off the
manual heat valves at the engine. That should confirm if I am getting a mix on
temperatures.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hulse" wrote:
>
> Ron,
> The first place to check is the heater control valve at the copilots feet by
the heater core.
> Fred & Jeanne Hulse
> Morristown,Arizona
> 97 WLWB41
>

Where does the dash AC Â get it cooling from? My 1983 PT WL does not have a AC compressor on the engine.

Bill

1983 PT 36 BBWL

From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:42 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash A/C

System is fully charged, but I did not think to close off the heat manual valves to see if that is the problem. I'll check that on the next warm day.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Wayne Kotila wrote:
>
> Hi Ron, If your freon charge is a little low the system will work fine for a little while until the evap. coil under your dash freezes up turning into a block of ice and and then cooling stops.
> Also like you mentioned it could be the warm air from the front heat warming your conditioned air, did you shut off the valve or valve's in the heater hose supply lines to the front heat?
> Ã
> Wayne kotila
> 1996 PT42
> Ã
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:53 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Dash A/C
>
>
> Ã
> Does anyone have a schematic for plumbing and electrical on the Dash A/C for a 92 Wanderlodge?
>
> I continue to have my dash a/c quit cooling after a short time while driving. System is full of freon and cools effectively for a short time.
>
> It may be possible that the defrost heat is mixing with the a/c or the thermostat is cutting off the compressor. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>

Bill, unless you have a unique upgrade, you have no dash air. Your blowers should work just fine. My 83 had the compressor removed due to leaks in the lines.

Ernie Ekberg

88 PT40

817-475-3991

www.ernieekbergflooring.net

--- On Wed, 12/28/11, Bill Jowers <bgjowers@...> wrote:

From: Bill Jowers <bgjowers@...>
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash A/C
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2011, 9:52 AM

Where does the dash AC get it cooling from? My 1983 PT WL does not have a AC compressor on the engine.

Bill

1983 PT 36 BBWL

From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:42 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash A/C

System is fully charged, but I did not think to close off the heat manual valves to see if that is the problem. I'll check that on the next warm day.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Kotila wrote:
>
> Hi Ron, If your freon charge is a little low the system will work fine for a little while until the evap. coil under your dash freezes up turning into a block of ice and and then cooling stops.
> Also like you mentioned it could be the warm air from the front heat warming your conditioned air, did you shut off the valve or valve's in the heater hose supply lines to the front heat?
> Ãâ
> Wayne kotila
> 1996 PT42
> Ãâ
>
>

> ________________________________
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:53 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Dash A/C
>
>
> Ãâ
> Does anyone have a schematic for plumbing and electrical on the Dash A/C for a 92 Wanderlodge?
>
> I continue to have my dash a/c quit cooling after a short time while driving. System is full of freon and cools effectively for a short time.
>
> It may be possible that the defrost heat is mixing with the a/c or the thermostat is cutting off the compressor. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>

Thanks

From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ernie Ekberg
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:17 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash A/C

Bill, unless you have a unique upgrade, you have no dash air. Your blowers should work just fine. My 83 had the compressor removed due to leaks in the lines.

Ernie Ekberg

88 PT40

817-475-3991

www.ernieekbergflooring.net

--- On Wed, 12/28/11, Bill Jowers <bgjowers@...> wrote:

From: Bill Jowers <bgjowers@...>
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash A/C
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2011, 9:52 AM

Where does the dash AC get it cooling from? My 1983 PT WL does not have a AC compressor on the engine.

Bill

1983 PT 36 BBWL

System is fully charged, but I did not think to close off the heat manual valves to see if that is the problem. I'll check that on the next warm day.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Kotila wrote:
>
> Hi Ron, If your freon charge is a little low the system will work fine for a little while until the evap. coil under your dash freezes up turning into a block of ice and and then cooling stops.
> Also like you mentioned it could be the warm air from the front heat warming your conditioned air, did you shut off the valve or valve's in the heater hose supply lines to the front heat?
> Ãâ
> Wayne kotila
> 1996 PT42
> Ãâ
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:53 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Dash A/C
>
>
> Ãâ
> Does anyone have a schematic for plumbing and electrical on the Dash A/C for a 92 Wanderlodge?
>
> I continue to have my dash a/c quit cooling after a short time while driving. System is full of freon and cools effectively for a short time.
>
> It may be possible that the defrost heat is mixing with the a/c or the thermostat is cutting off the compressor. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>

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