09-27-2005, 01:37
g
09-27-2005, 02:09
The question inquiring minds want to know is, why didn't you purchase this coach
for the advertised price of $25000?
Glenn Shehorn
83FC35
Kansas City Mo
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for the advertised price of $25000?
Glenn Shehorn
83FC35
Kansas City Mo
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Mike Hohnstein
09-27-2005, 02:13
From where I stand "Jim" you give no reason to believe you. No location or real
name in your signature. Some of us old school folks don't pay that much
attention to those who hide behind anonominity. I have purchased two FC 35s
online, both transactions worked well, but of course I actually had the money.
Mike Hohnstein
Germantown, WI
83FC35
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name in your signature. Some of us old school folks don't pay that much
attention to those who hide behind anonominity. I have purchased two FC 35s
online, both transactions worked well, but of course I actually had the money.
Mike Hohnstein
Germantown, WI
83FC35
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orbitalsolutions
09-27-2005, 02:16
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g" wrote:
> The question inquiring minds want to know is, why didn't you
purchase this coach for the advertised price of $25000?
>
> Glenn Shehorn
> 83FC35
> Kansas City Mo
I tried to buy the bus directly from him. I can't remember exactly
what day, but it was the same day that some one posted about it
here. That's how I became aware of it.
Paul Davis told me that I had to bid on the bus on e-bay, he said
that was the only way it could be purchased.
In retrospect, the selling price he listed on his web site was bogus
as well. The bus was never actually offered for sale at 25K. That
was the starting bid price. Amazing, isn't it?
--Jim
> The question inquiring minds want to know is, why didn't you
purchase this coach for the advertised price of $25000?
>
> Glenn Shehorn
> 83FC35
> Kansas City Mo
I tried to buy the bus directly from him. I can't remember exactly
what day, but it was the same day that some one posted about it
here. That's how I became aware of it.
Paul Davis told me that I had to bid on the bus on e-bay, he said
that was the only way it could be purchased.
In retrospect, the selling price he listed on his web site was bogus
as well. The bus was never actually offered for sale at 25K. That
was the starting bid price. Amazing, isn't it?
--Jim
GLOBE1969
09-27-2005, 02:30
Re: Paul Davis Auction:
I looked at the bus in person, it was very nice, I
decided not to buy it because it is not a Turbo. I
spent the entire day there.
Paul offered to sell it to me on a buy it now price.
Paul and all were very nice and honest. I trust him.
I have much ebay experience, and know this auction was
honest.
I feel I should have bought that bus, needed a few
things but such nice condition.
Gail Allen Remy
--- orbitalsolutions
wrote:
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g"
> wrote:
> > The question inquiring minds want to know is, why
> didn't you
> purchase this coach for the advertised price of
> $25000?
> >
> > Glenn Shehorn
> > 83FC35
> > Kansas City Mo
>
>
> I tried to buy the bus directly from him. I can't
> remember exactly
> what day, but it was the same day that some one
> posted about it
> here. That's how I became aware of it.
>
> Paul Davis told me that I had to bid on the bus on
> e-bay, he said
> that was the only way it could be purchased.
>
> In retrospect, the selling price he listed on his
> web site was bogus
> as well. The bus was never actually offered for
> sale at 25K. That
> was the starting bid price. Amazing, isn't it?
>
>
> --Jim
>
>
>
>
I looked at the bus in person, it was very nice, I
decided not to buy it because it is not a Turbo. I
spent the entire day there.
Paul offered to sell it to me on a buy it now price.
Paul and all were very nice and honest. I trust him.
I have much ebay experience, and know this auction was
honest.
I feel I should have bought that bus, needed a few
things but such nice condition.
Gail Allen Remy
--- orbitalsolutions
wrote:
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g"
>
> > The question inquiring minds want to know is, why
> didn't you
> purchase this coach for the advertised price of
> $25000?
> >
> > Glenn Shehorn
> > 83FC35
> > Kansas City Mo
>
>
> I tried to buy the bus directly from him. I can't
> remember exactly
> what day, but it was the same day that some one
> posted about it
> here. That's how I became aware of it.
>
> Paul Davis told me that I had to bid on the bus on
> e-bay, he said
> that was the only way it could be purchased.
>
> In retrospect, the selling price he listed on his
> web site was bogus
> as well. The bus was never actually offered for
> sale at 25K. That
> was the starting bid price. Amazing, isn't it?
>
>
> --Jim
>
>
>
>
orbitalsolutions
09-27-2005, 02:40
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
wrote:
> Re: Paul Davis Auction:
> I looked at the bus in person, it was very nice, I
> decided not to buy it because it is not a Turbo. I
> spent the entire day there.
>
> Paul offered to sell it to me on a buy it now price.
>
> Paul and all were very nice and honest. I trust him.
>
> I have much ebay experience, and know this auction was
> honest.
>
> I feel I should have bought that bus, needed a few
> things but such nice condition.
>
> Gail Allen Remy
>
That's exactly what I expected had happened here. When I talked to
Paul Davis there was no 'Buy It Now Price' Believe me I know
because I tried to negociate one with him. I talked to him when he
first got the bus. As time went on, and after the auction started,
some body offerd Paul Davis a price he could not say no to.
He wasted the time of everyone that was bidding on the bus. Paul
Davis told me one thing and then did another. The fact that he
tried to sell it to you proves my point.
No biggie for me. I learned a lot here for cheap. All that Paul
Davis did was waste my time because of his dishonesty. He will
never get a shot at any of my money.
--Jim
wrote:
> Re: Paul Davis Auction:
> I looked at the bus in person, it was very nice, I
> decided not to buy it because it is not a Turbo. I
> spent the entire day there.
>
> Paul offered to sell it to me on a buy it now price.
>
> Paul and all were very nice and honest. I trust him.
>
> I have much ebay experience, and know this auction was
> honest.
>
> I feel I should have bought that bus, needed a few
> things but such nice condition.
>
> Gail Allen Remy
>
That's exactly what I expected had happened here. When I talked to
Paul Davis there was no 'Buy It Now Price' Believe me I know
because I tried to negociate one with him. I talked to him when he
first got the bus. As time went on, and after the auction started,
some body offerd Paul Davis a price he could not say no to.
He wasted the time of everyone that was bidding on the bus. Paul
Davis told me one thing and then did another. The fact that he
tried to sell it to you proves my point.
No biggie for me. I learned a lot here for cheap. All that Paul
Davis did was waste my time because of his dishonesty. He will
never get a shot at any of my money.
--Jim
snuffyx1946
09-27-2005, 03:01
If you go to the completed item on e-bay and click on the "bids" you
will see that you actually were outbid twice at the end of the
auction. I also see that enzofan bid earlier in the auction. I
don't see any fraud here. What I see is a classis case of what E-
BAY calls "sniping". Those are last second bidders, not last
minute, last second. I know that if I find an item I really want I
bid as late as I possibly can. I know that it feels bad to be
outbid at the last second, but it is totally legal according to e-
bay rules. Sometimes you win, somtimes you lose.
Dennis Miller
Yuma,AZ
85PT36
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "orbitalsolutions"
wrote:
> Yeah, Dave, I know this bus shows as being available on his web
> site, but it isn't.
>
> He put it up for auction on e-bay 10 days ago. That auction ended
> on Monday evening at 8:04 pn pst. There was supposedly no
reserve.
> I was the high bidder at the conclusion of the auction. And then
> the winning bidder was announced and it was not me. It was
someone
> who never made a bid on the bus. I was never given an
opportunity
> to match the fantom bid.
>
> Tihs auction was a hoax pure and simple. Paul Davis is a man of
> questionable character and honesty. It has the apparence of him
> selling the bus after he put it up for auction and before the
> auction ended. You can all connect the dots. But I can give you
> first hand evidence that this auction was a completely bogus.
>
> If it requires a contract to list an item for auction on e-bay,
Paul
> Davis must be clearly out of trust .
>
> He wasted my time and the time of others who were bidding on the
bus.
>
>
> --Jim
will see that you actually were outbid twice at the end of the
auction. I also see that enzofan bid earlier in the auction. I
don't see any fraud here. What I see is a classis case of what E-
BAY calls "sniping". Those are last second bidders, not last
minute, last second. I know that if I find an item I really want I
bid as late as I possibly can. I know that it feels bad to be
outbid at the last second, but it is totally legal according to e-
bay rules. Sometimes you win, somtimes you lose.
Dennis Miller
Yuma,AZ
85PT36
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "orbitalsolutions"
> Yeah, Dave, I know this bus shows as being available on his web
> site, but it isn't.
>
> He put it up for auction on e-bay 10 days ago. That auction ended
> on Monday evening at 8:04 pn pst. There was supposedly no
reserve.
> I was the high bidder at the conclusion of the auction. And then
> the winning bidder was announced and it was not me. It was
someone
> who never made a bid on the bus. I was never given an
opportunity
> to match the fantom bid.
>
> Tihs auction was a hoax pure and simple. Paul Davis is a man of
> questionable character and honesty. It has the apparence of him
> selling the bus after he put it up for auction and before the
> auction ended. You can all connect the dots. But I can give you
> first hand evidence that this auction was a completely bogus.
>
> If it requires a contract to list an item for auction on e-bay,
Paul
> Davis must be clearly out of trust .
>
> He wasted my time and the time of others who were bidding on the
bus.
>
>
> --Jim
orbitalsolutions
09-27-2005, 03:15
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "snuffyx1946"
<snuffyx1946@m...> wrote:
> If you go to the completed item on e-bay and click on the "bids"
you
> will see that you actually were outbid twice at the end of the
> auction. I also see that enzofan bid earlier in the auction. I
> don't see any fraud here. What I see is a classis case of what E-
> BAY calls "sniping". Those are last second bidders, not last
> minute, last second. I know that if I find an item I really want
I
> bid as late as I possibly can. I know that it feels bad to be
> outbid at the last second, but it is totally legal according to e-
> bay rules. Sometimes you win, somtimes you lose.
>
> Dennis Miller
> Yuma,AZ
> 85PT36
>
I don't care what you are reading on e-bay. The fact of the matter
is that my bid of 28,100 was the last bid registerd, at the actual
time the auction was taking place. The clock ran out and NO other
bids were shown. The next thing I see is that I was out bid.
Well, that's not an auction, folks. It may be something, but in no
way does that resemble an auction. What kind of non-sense is it
when I do not even see the winning bid made? And then, do not get a
chance to bid again?
I was there. I know what happened.
We now have another member who has posted that Davis tried to sell
the bus out right, after he put it up for auction, and told me that
there was not going to be any buy it now deals.
This man lied to me, directly. I think it's pretty obvious to
anyone at this point what really happened here.
This thing was a complete hoax, but feel free to 'believe' anything
you like.
--Jim
<snuffyx1946@m...> wrote:
> If you go to the completed item on e-bay and click on the "bids"
you
> will see that you actually were outbid twice at the end of the
> auction. I also see that enzofan bid earlier in the auction. I
> don't see any fraud here. What I see is a classis case of what E-
> BAY calls "sniping". Those are last second bidders, not last
> minute, last second. I know that if I find an item I really want
I
> bid as late as I possibly can. I know that it feels bad to be
> outbid at the last second, but it is totally legal according to e-
> bay rules. Sometimes you win, somtimes you lose.
>
> Dennis Miller
> Yuma,AZ
> 85PT36
>
I don't care what you are reading on e-bay. The fact of the matter
is that my bid of 28,100 was the last bid registerd, at the actual
time the auction was taking place. The clock ran out and NO other
bids were shown. The next thing I see is that I was out bid.
Well, that's not an auction, folks. It may be something, but in no
way does that resemble an auction. What kind of non-sense is it
when I do not even see the winning bid made? And then, do not get a
chance to bid again?
I was there. I know what happened.
We now have another member who has posted that Davis tried to sell
the bus out right, after he put it up for auction, and told me that
there was not going to be any buy it now deals.
This man lied to me, directly. I think it's pretty obvious to
anyone at this point what really happened here.
This thing was a complete hoax, but feel free to 'believe' anything
you like.
--Jim
Al
09-27-2005, 03:21
Jim,
While I have not purchased from Paul Davis, he is an honest
business person. I looked for my bird for 1.5 years. During the
quest, I talked to Paul about one of his units. His response, come
spend a night, do an inspection if you are not happy with condition
either they will fix or you are not obligated to purchase.
Looking at the auction, if you are not
enzofan ( 28) US $29,101.00
you are wasting this groups time. If I owned a bird for sale and
listed it on auction, and some offered me what I wanted for the unit
and the auction price was lower, I would immediately end the auction
after I received money in hand.
You are upset because he did not accept your offer. Unless you are
the above bidder, you lost the bid. Please move on and stop trying
to cause this honest business person unwarrantied grief. Next time,
you plan on bidding, put the max you want to pay. If you win great,
if you don't, you did not break the bank!
Al & Kathy Johnson
'96 BMC 37'
Mandeville, Louisiana
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "orbitalsolutions"
wrote:
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
> wrote:
> > Re: Paul Davis Auction:
> > I looked at the bus in person, it was very nice, I
> > decided not to buy it because it is not a Turbo. I
> > spent the entire day there.
> >
> > Paul offered to sell it to me on a buy it now price.
> >
> > Paul and all were very nice and honest. I trust him.
> >
> > I have much ebay experience, and know this auction was
> > honest.
> >
> > I feel I should have bought that bus, needed a few
> > things but such nice condition.
> >
> > Gail Allen Remy
> >
> That's exactly what I expected had happened here. When I talked
to
> Paul Davis there was no 'Buy It Now Price' Believe me I know
> because I tried to negociate one with him. I talked to him when
he
> first got the bus. As time went on, and after the auction
started,
> some body offerd Paul Davis a price he could not say no to.
>
> He wasted the time of everyone that was bidding on the bus. Paul
> Davis told me one thing and then did another. The fact that he
> tried to sell it to you proves my point.
>
> No biggie for me. I learned a lot here for cheap. All that Paul
> Davis did was waste my time because of his dishonesty. He will
> never get a shot at any of my money.
>
> --Jim
While I have not purchased from Paul Davis, he is an honest
business person. I looked for my bird for 1.5 years. During the
quest, I talked to Paul about one of his units. His response, come
spend a night, do an inspection if you are not happy with condition
either they will fix or you are not obligated to purchase.
Looking at the auction, if you are not
enzofan ( 28) US $29,101.00
you are wasting this groups time. If I owned a bird for sale and
listed it on auction, and some offered me what I wanted for the unit
and the auction price was lower, I would immediately end the auction
after I received money in hand.
You are upset because he did not accept your offer. Unless you are
the above bidder, you lost the bid. Please move on and stop trying
to cause this honest business person unwarrantied grief. Next time,
you plan on bidding, put the max you want to pay. If you win great,
if you don't, you did not break the bank!
Al & Kathy Johnson
'96 BMC 37'
Mandeville, Louisiana
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "orbitalsolutions"
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
> wrote:
> > Re: Paul Davis Auction:
> > I looked at the bus in person, it was very nice, I
> > decided not to buy it because it is not a Turbo. I
> > spent the entire day there.
> >
> > Paul offered to sell it to me on a buy it now price.
> >
> > Paul and all were very nice and honest. I trust him.
> >
> > I have much ebay experience, and know this auction was
> > honest.
> >
> > I feel I should have bought that bus, needed a few
> > things but such nice condition.
> >
> > Gail Allen Remy
> >
> That's exactly what I expected had happened here. When I talked
to
> Paul Davis there was no 'Buy It Now Price' Believe me I know
> because I tried to negociate one with him. I talked to him when
he
> first got the bus. As time went on, and after the auction
started,
> some body offerd Paul Davis a price he could not say no to.
>
> He wasted the time of everyone that was bidding on the bus. Paul
> Davis told me one thing and then did another. The fact that he
> tried to sell it to you proves my point.
>
> No biggie for me. I learned a lot here for cheap. All that Paul
> Davis did was waste my time because of his dishonesty. He will
> never get a shot at any of my money.
>
> --Jim
orbitalsolutions
09-27-2005, 03:30
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
> Jim,
> While I have not purchased from Paul Davis, he is an honest
> business person. I looked for my bird for 1.5 years. During the
> quest, I talked to Paul about one of his units. His response,
come
> spend a night, do an inspection if you are not happy with
condition
> either they will fix or you are not obligated to purchase.
>
> Looking at the auction, if you are not
>
> enzofan ( 28) US $29,101.00
>
> you are wasting this groups time. If I owned a bird for sale and
> listed it on auction, and some offered me what I wanted for the
unit
> and the auction price was lower, I would immediately end the
auction
> after I received money in hand.
>
> You are upset because he did not accept your offer. Unless you
are
> the above bidder, you lost the bid. Please move on and stop
trying
> to cause this honest business person unwarrantied grief. Next
time,
> you plan on bidding, put the max you want to pay. If you win
great,
> if you don't, you did not break the bank!
>
> Al & Kathy Johnson
> '96 BMC 37'
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
Look, I can only report here what actually happened between myself
and Paul Davis. The man lied to me and wasted my time. What can I
say? I'm glad you had a better experience, but I certainly did
not. I would never consider doing business with anyone who has lied
to me in a previous matter, would you?
--Jim
> Jim,
> While I have not purchased from Paul Davis, he is an honest
> business person. I looked for my bird for 1.5 years. During the
> quest, I talked to Paul about one of his units. His response,
come
> spend a night, do an inspection if you are not happy with
condition
> either they will fix or you are not obligated to purchase.
>
> Looking at the auction, if you are not
>
> enzofan ( 28) US $29,101.00
>
> you are wasting this groups time. If I owned a bird for sale and
> listed it on auction, and some offered me what I wanted for the
unit
> and the auction price was lower, I would immediately end the
auction
> after I received money in hand.
>
> You are upset because he did not accept your offer. Unless you
are
> the above bidder, you lost the bid. Please move on and stop
trying
> to cause this honest business person unwarrantied grief. Next
time,
> you plan on bidding, put the max you want to pay. If you win
great,
> if you don't, you did not break the bank!
>
> Al & Kathy Johnson
> '96 BMC 37'
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
Look, I can only report here what actually happened between myself
and Paul Davis. The man lied to me and wasted my time. What can I
say? I'm glad you had a better experience, but I certainly did
not. I would never consider doing business with anyone who has lied
to me in a previous matter, would you?
--Jim